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hog waste as worm food (was: ...
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: ... Psst. Is he gone? When do you think he'll find out that you are just another hemorrhoidal, fat, old man? Whups ;O) shussh. Anyway, all I got for you is another ol' book report. To wit: Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment by David Kirby http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B 004IK9EJQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310272843&sr=1-1 (Available at your local library, until they are closed.) 260 ANIMAL FACTORY ... "I chose a type of worm that turns this stuff into some kind of superfood for plants," Don said. "Farmers and gardeners can't get enough of it; they pay top dollar for it." The worm barn could yield about three tons of the coveted "black gold" each day, he said, adding that the state department of transportation had told him they wanted to buy it for roadside plantings. ... it doesn't say what happens to the wastewater... I was trying to keep it short. You want waste water, you got waste water. But remember, Chuck isn't your typical CAFO owner. He, according to the book, is trying to play fair. Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment by David Kirby http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B 004IK9EJQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310272843&sr=1-1 (Available at your local library, until they are closed.) What irked Chuck most was that not all hog farmers were doing their part to avoid pollution. "And it ticks me off," he said. "I spend so much time and trouble and paperwork on all the things I domost of my expenses, really for applying and monitoring the waste. And then some guy somewhere just decides to let it go, and then that paints a bad picture for all of us." But instead of confronting the bad apples, or closing them down altogether, he said, the pork industry tried to keep quiet and insist there were no problems. "The mistake in our industry has been to shun people like you and run you out the door," he said to Rick, "and give you some pamphlet saying everything's hunky dory on a hog farm. And through the years that's created a frustration within the environmental communityand the media." Chuck wanted to help develop and use an alternative technology to replace lagoons, but he still defended the basins as safe and effective. "I moved over 150,000 yards of clay to line various lagoons around my farm, eighteen inches thick, compressed with a roller to over ninety-five percent compaction, that I had to send off to a lab and get them to certify before I could put the first drop of water in it," he explained. "I've spent millions building these lagoons. They're not just holes punched in the ground that leak manure into the water tables. That's just ridiculous." Even so, Chuck was personally involved in the hunt to make lagoons obsolete. He and a small group of investor/hog farmers were developing their own system for adoption by the state. One day. Chuck invited Rick and Nicolette Hahn to see the prototype he was developing. Chuck introduced them to the inventor, an old farmer named Don Lloyd. Rick and Nicolette watched in wonderment as Chuck and Lloyd explained how it worked. "We take all the wastewater washed from the barns and pump it into this underground holding tank, where heavy solids settle to the bottom," Chuck said. "Now, this is all the stuff that would normally go into the lagoon. So you see, we've already eliminated the need for a lagoon right from the get-go." Rick liked what he was hearing so far. Once the solids had settled out, Chuck and Lloyd siphoned water off the top and ran it to a large above-ground tank. "Once there, we inject the water with something called TCM, or trichloromelamine; it's a sanitizer, attacks the GOING NATIONAL 261 bad organics and stuff," Chuck said. "Makes it like pure water. The United States uses it in Afghanistan for our troops." After the microorganisms were killed, a polymer was then injected into the waterthe tiny polymer beads bound with paniculate matter that got through the separator and clumped them together, pulling them down to the bottom of the tank. "You can actually see the liquid getting clearer," Chuck marveled. When that process was finished, the water was removed from the top and the residual matter was ejected through a hopper at the bottom of the tank. Some of the cleaned water was then recycled back to the barnsto hose down the floors and flush the manure pits back out into the underground separator tank, starting the whole closed-circuit process over again. The remaining liquid was mixed with fresh aquifer water, diluting its particulate content to the point of human drinkability. To prove it, Don gulped down a glass of the former hogwash. The guests gasped. "Why, it tastes just fine" he said, smiling and wiping his mouth. "But we don't usually drink itwe give it to the pigs to drink. It cuts down our groundwater use by about 40 percent." That left the solids. Raw manure cannot be used on food crops because of the harmful pathogens it contains, limiting its commercial value as a fertilizer. Most of the germs can be killed through composting, though that takes time and money to accomplish, without adding enough market value to the manure to make the system economically feasible. "Then we discovered an answer," Chuck said proudly. --- The rest of this section I've already posted. Chuck "appears" to be addressing the concerns that you raise. As far as heavy metals are concerned, there shouldn't be any in the system, because heavy metals would make animals sick, and hopefully lead to a recall. Unlike humans, animals don't drop used iPod batteries down toilets that flow into public water treatment plants, and contaminate reclaimed solids. Personally, I don't like CAFOs. I'd prefer to see animals free ranging on pasture, but some people balk at paying $25 for a whole chicken. oh geeze, an inch of pig poo solids a day. that would be hell to me, pig poo is way too stinky. the wormies are probably doing a great job, but i sure wouldn't want to feed that stuff to my worms and then put it on any food plant. pigs eat too much like people for me to want to have stuff coming out their butts to be anywhere near food crops. roadside fertilizer? you means so the wind can pick up the dust and have many people breathing it as they drive by? How would this be different than using composted manure, which will still have some coliforms alive in it? washed by rain into the ditches and then streams, rivers, etc. sure some of it is sterilized by the sun and rain, but how many bacteria or virus do you need for some infections? not many. um, no thanks, bad idea. i can't tell from the quote if the guy is raising his pigs with or without antibiotics and hormones. those i certainly would not want going through to the worms/plants/ground/groundwater. You raise a fair question. I saw no mention of the use of antibiotics. Lessening the density of (giving more space to) the herd reduces the prophylactic need for antibiotics, but for some reason, animals given antibiotics grow faster and larger. I'm not proselytizing for CAFOs, but trying to point out there are some people who are trying to improve them, and become better neighbors, but in truth I'd be a NIMBY. songbird -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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tomatoes, extending season, peppers (was: ok, Gunner...
On Sep 7, 8:09*am, "Steve Peek" wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message ... it's all good, likewises, songbird Bird, a roll of *Visqueen and 10' PVC pipe are cheap. easy to make a tall hoop to give ya ~ a month's stretch on the fall side *jump. You get enough sun to make it worth the while till it dips below freezing every night , *then again in the spring another 3 weeks but even better is starting your seedlings. *Me? *Not w/o lights. I gotta run also, have to do some homework on a new system I want to get in before winter. *It may not be this year tho. Best to all Dam Gunner, you had to leave out my favorite chili. There's nothing like poblanos! Choose the variety carefully, some are wimpy mild and some are spicy. My favorite is "Tiburon". It has a very fruity heat and is delicious in any Latin type dish. If you season is long enough they mature to a deep mahogany. Dry them and the flavor is wonderfully spicy raisons. IMHO the fruity heat is by far the best of the chilies. I do agree wholeheartedly w/ ya about the "raisin" and Chile en Nogada is an all time fav, but most here do not appreciate it enough for me to make often. So that just for me and the wife. I usually keep an oz or two of Ancho powder on hand, using it instead of Paprika. But know I just picked this evening a nice Poblano that was changing colors. The heat; high 80s for 4-5 hrs but nights in the high 40-low 50s. Beautiful deep maroon with green highlights. There a bit small and sparse here in the open. It was only 2 x 3 inches but still such a pretty color. Only got 10-12 still left on the plants and the growing phase is pretty much over with the Indian summer fading more quickly than I would like. So some peppers and some toms are going to go down green. Here is the Wiki thing for those still curious about what your talking about: "The poblano is a mild chili pepper originating in the State of Puebla, Mexico. Dried, it is called a chile ancho. " |
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ok Gunny, here's where we are at
On Sep 5, 3:41*pm, Billy wrote:
here's an emu for you ;O) Sorry billy don't swing that way, but I'm sure you keep that mouth open like that and you will find a friend there in Ca. |
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hog waste as worm food (was: ...
Billy wrote:
songbird wrote: ... it doesn't say what happens to the wastewater... I was trying to keep it short. You want waste water, you got waste water. But remember, Chuck isn't your typical CAFO owner. He, according to the book, is trying to play fair. from reading it, yes, he's at least doing something and i'm glad for it. likely if there are any further problems found he will be one of the people who will work on figuring it out too. Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment by David Kirby http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B 004IK9EJQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310272843&sr=1-1 (Available at your local library, until they are closed.) .... Chuck introduced them to the inventor, an old farmer named Don Lloyd. Rick and Nicolette watched in wonderment as Chuck and Lloyd explained how it worked. "We take all the wastewater washed from the barns and pump it into this underground holding tank, where heavy solids settle to the bottom," Chuck said. "Now, this is all the stuff that would normally go into the lagoon. So you see, we've already eliminated the need for a lagoon right from the get-go." Rick liked what he was hearing so far. Once the solids had settled out, Chuck and Lloyd siphoned water off the top and ran it to a large above-ground tank. "Once there, we inject the water with something called TCM, or trichloromelamine; it's a sanitizer, attacks the GOING NATIONAL 261 bad organics and stuff," Chuck said. "Makes it like pure water. The United States uses it in Afghanistan for our troops." i think he's talking about the wastewater treatment system here and not the water. After the microorganisms were killed, a polymer was then injected into the waterÂthe tiny polymer beads bound with paniculate matter that got through the separator and clumped them together, pulling them down to the bottom of the tank. "You can actually see the liquid getting clearer," Chuck marveled. When that process was finished, the water was removed from the top and the residual matter was ejected through a hopper at the bottom of the tank. this is a basic waste water treatment plant. so he's moved the technology from the municipal plant to his own local system. the polymer is recycled and reused or does it go to the landfill? trichloromelamine? sounds like a chlorine derivative and some of those turn organic materials into carcinogens don't they? Some of the cleaned water was then recycled back to the barnsÂto hose down the floors and flush the manure pits back out into the underground separator tank, starting the whole closed-circuit process over again. The remaining liquid was mixed with fresh aquifer water, diluting its particulate content to the point of human drinkability. To prove it, Don gulped down a glass of the former hogwash. The guests gasped. "Why, it tastes just fine" he said, smiling and wiping his mouth. "But we don't usually drink itÂwe give it to the pigs to drink. It cuts down our groundwater use by about 40 percent." major good right there. That left the solids. Raw manure cannot be used on food crops because of the harmful pathogens it contains, limiting its commercial value as a fertilizer. Most of the germs can be killed through composting, though that takes time and money to accomplish, without adding enough market value to the manure to make the system economically feasible. "Then we discovered an answer," Chuck said proudly. --- The rest of this section I've already posted. Chuck "appears" to be addressing the concerns that you raise. some, but like i said above, it's good to see someone making the effort. As far as heavy metals are concerned, there shouldn't be any in the system, because heavy metals would make animals sick, and hopefully lead to a recall. Unlike humans, animals don't drop used iPod batteries down toilets that flow into public water treatment plants, and contaminate reclaimed solids. it depends upon the feed... Personally, I don't like CAFOs. I'd prefer to see animals free ranging on pasture, but some people balk at paying $25 for a whole chicken. oh geeze, an inch of pig poo solids a day. that would be hell to me, pig poo is way too stinky. the wormies are probably doing a great job, but i sure wouldn't want to feed that stuff to my worms and then put it on any food plant. pigs eat too much like people for me to want to have stuff coming out their butts to be anywhere near food crops. roadside fertilizer? you means so the wind can pick up the dust and have many people breathing it as they drive by? How would this be different than using composted manure, which will still have some coliforms alive in it? i wouldn't want that used on roadsides either. i think all manures should be buried after spreading to minimise them going airborne. washed by rain into the ditches and then streams, rivers, etc. sure some of it is sterilized by the sun and rain, but how many bacteria or virus do you need for some infections? not many. um, no thanks, bad idea. i can't tell from the quote if the guy is raising his pigs with or without antibiotics and hormones. those i certainly would not want going through to the worms/plants/ground/groundwater. You raise a fair question. I saw no mention of the use of antibiotics. Lessening the density of (giving more space to) the herd reduces the prophylactic need for antibiotics, but for some reason, animals given antibiotics grow faster and larger. the theory i've seen so far that holds the most credibility to me is that the antibiotics reduce the infection level so that the animal has more energy to devote to growth. at least as long as it doesn't get a resistant strain... I'm not proselytizing for CAFOs, but trying to point out there are some people who are trying to improve them, and become better neighbors, but in truth I'd be a NIMBY. i don't like them either, but like you see that most people will not go free range or reduce their meat consumption until it is impossible to sustain it further. it is more likely that the future will be more vegetarian eventually out of sheer need for more food for people and less available to feed animals. the market price for meats will increase enough to push them out of the regular diet for most of the lower classes. a $25 chicken is likely for those who cannot raise their own. songbird |
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hog waste as worm food (was: ...
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: songbird wrote: ... it doesn't say what happens to the wastewater... I was trying to keep it short. You want waste water, you got waste water. But remember, Chuck isn't your typical CAFO owner. He, according to the book, is trying to play fair. from reading it, yes, he's at least doing something and i'm glad for it. likely if there are any further problems found he will be one of the people who will work on figuring it out too. Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment by David Kirby http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B 004IK9EJQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310272843&sr=1-1 (Available at your local library, until they are closed.) ... Chuck introduced them to the inventor, an old farmer named Don Lloyd. Rick and Nicolette watched in wonderment as Chuck and Lloyd explained how it worked. "We take all the wastewater washed from the barns and pump it into this underground holding tank, where heavy solids settle to the bottom," Chuck said. "Now, this is all the stuff that would normally go into the lagoon. So you see, we've already eliminated the need for a lagoon right from the get-go." Rick liked what he was hearing so far. Once the solids had settled out, Chuck and Lloyd siphoned water off the top and ran it to a large above-ground tank. "Once there, we inject the water with something called TCM, or trichloromelamine; it's a sanitizer, attacks the GOING NATIONAL 261 bad organics and stuff," Chuck said. "Makes it like pure water. The United States uses it in Afghanistan for our troops." i think he's talking about the wastewater treatment system here and not the water. After the microorganisms were killed, a polymer was then injected into the waterÂthe tiny polymer beads bound with paniculate matter that got through the separator and clumped them together, pulling them down to the bottom of the tank. "You can actually see the liquid getting clearer," Chuck marveled. When that process was finished, the water was removed from the top and the residual matter was ejected through a hopper at the bottom of the tank. this is a basic waste water treatment plant. so he's moved the technology from the municipal plant to his own local system. the polymer is recycled and reused or does it go to the landfill? trichloromelamine? sounds like a chlorine derivative and some of those turn organic materials into carcinogens don't they? You don't have to conjecture. Look at its "Material Saftey Data Sheet" (MSDS). http://www.google.com/search?client=...ls=en&q=MSDS,+ trichloromelamine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Some of the cleaned water was then recycled back to the barnsÂto hose down the floors and flush the manure pits back out into the underground separator tank, starting the whole closed-circuit process over again. The remaining liquid was mixed with fresh aquifer water, diluting its particulate content to the point of human drinkability. To prove it, Don gulped down a glass of the former hogwash. The guests gasped. "Why, it tastes just fine" he said, smiling and wiping his mouth. "But we don't usually drink itÂwe give it to the pigs to drink. It cuts down our groundwater use by about 40 percent." major good right there. That left the solids. Raw manure cannot be used on food crops because of the harmful pathogens it contains, limiting its commercial value as a fertilizer. Most of the germs can be killed through composting, though that takes time and money to accomplish, without adding enough market value to the manure to make the system economically feasible. "Then we discovered an answer," Chuck said proudly. --- The rest of this section I've already posted. Chuck "appears" to be addressing the concerns that you raise. some, but like i said above, it's good to see someone making the effort. As far as heavy metals are concerned, there shouldn't be any in the system, because heavy metals would make animals sick, and hopefully lead to a recall. Unlike humans, animals don't drop used iPod batteries down toilets that flow into public water treatment plants, and contaminate reclaimed solids. it depends upon the feed... Personally, I don't like CAFOs. I'd prefer to see animals free ranging on pasture, but some people balk at paying $25 for a whole chicken. oh geeze, an inch of pig poo solids a day. that would be hell to me, pig poo is way too stinky. the wormies are probably doing a great job, but i sure wouldn't want to feed that stuff to my worms and then put it on any food plant. pigs eat too much like people for me to want to have stuff coming out their butts to be anywhere near food crops. roadside fertilizer? you means so the wind can pick up the dust and have many people breathing it as they drive by? How would this be different than using composted manure, which will still have some coliforms alive in it? i wouldn't want that used on roadsides either. i think all manures should be buried after spreading to minimise them going airborne. It would depend on the bacteria in the worm castings. Perhaps you could spread it, and then mulch it to get it to stay put.. washed by rain into the ditches and then streams, rivers, etc. sure some of it is sterilized by the sun and rain, but how many bacteria or virus do you need for some infections? not many. um, no thanks, bad idea. i can't tell from the quote if the guy is raising his pigs with or without antibiotics and hormones. those i certainly would not want going through to the worms/plants/ground/groundwater. You raise a fair question. I saw no mention of the use of antibiotics. Lessening the density of (giving more space to) the herd reduces the prophylactic need for antibiotics, but for some reason, animals given antibiotics grow faster and larger. the theory i've seen so far that holds the most credibility to me is that the antibiotics reduce the infection level so that the animal has more energy to devote to growth. at least as long as it doesn't get a resistant strain... I'm not proselytizing for CAFOs, but trying to point out there are some people who are trying to improve them, and become better neighbors, but in truth I'd be a NIMBY. i don't like them either, but like you see that most people will not go free range or reduce their meat consumption until it is impossible to sustain it further. it is more likely that the future will be more vegetarian eventually out of sheer need for more food for people and less available to feed animals. the market price for meats will increase enough to push them out of the regular diet for most of the lower classes. a $25 chicken is likely for those who cannot raise their own. songbird In any event, the excerpt was for you, because of your interest in vermiculture. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itĉ not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatĉ hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donĉ get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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