Flowering on trees with fruit
I would appreciate it if anybody can refer me to a reference on the topic of
whether leaving fruit on a tree alters the flowering and setting of new fruit for the next season. I have excess citrus fruit from last summer (now coming into spring) and I have been leaving it on the tree to store it. Clearly the old fruit cannot stay there forever. Will the old fruit inhibit new flowering and fruiting until it falls off or is taken off, or will the new fruit coexist with the old for some period? Is this the same for all citrus, all fruit, or is every case different? David |
Flowering on trees with fruit
Derald wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote: I would appreciate it if anybody can refer me to a reference on the topic of whether leaving fruit on a tree alters the flowering and setting of new fruit for the next season. I have excess citrus fruit from last summer (now coming into spring) and I have been leaving it on the tree to store it. Clearly the old fruit cannot stay there forever. Will the old fruit inhibit new flowering and fruiting until it falls off or is taken off, or will the new fruit coexist with the old for some period? Is this the same for all citrus, all fruit, or is every case different? David See questions 9 and 10 on page 4 of this document: http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/datastore/391-272.pdf; Thanks, that's a good reference. see, also, the fifth paragraph in the section, "PRODUCTION, MATURITY AND USE" in this document: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/citrus/oranges.htm. The experts say, "Don't do it" but I've lived all of my life in Florida, U.S.A., where -- on the peninsula, at least -- citrus is ubiquitous. and holding citrus on homeowners' "dooryard" trees tree is common practice. On the tree is the only way to store citrus and exposure to winter chill makes the fruit sweeter, although, freezing temperatures will cause much of it to fall. For the home grower, I don't think the effect, if any, on subsequent cropping is significant. More commonly, it seems to result in smaller fruit but thinning the new crop might be corrective. Of course, the fruit will eventually become overripe and fall and too little water will cause it to become dry and "ricy". There is no general rule of thumb: Tangerines and murcott start tasting old fairly quickly while most oranges and grapefruit retain their flavor well. I thought it would be a compromise. David |
Flowering on trees with fruit
On Sep 14, 9:19*pm, "David Hare-Scott" wrote:
I would appreciate it if anybody can refer me to a reference on the topic of whether leaving fruit on a tree alters the flowering and setting of new fruit for the next season. *I have excess citrus fruit from last summer (now coming into spring) and I have been leaving it on the tree to store it. Clearly the old fruit cannot stay there forever. *Will the old fruit inhibit new flowering and fruiting until it falls off or is taken off, or will the new fruit coexist with the old for some period? *Is this the same for all citrus, all fruit, or is every case different? David I don't know anyone who strips a citrus tree, except commercial growers. Just leave the fruit on until you are ready for it. I get enough fruit mummies falling off, along with ripe fruit, to know that old fruit can stay on there, pretty much forever. Susan B. |
Flowering on trees with fruit
Derald wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote: I thought it would be a compromise. No doubt, it is, but the consequences are not likely to be drastic. If you leave fruit on the tree, I don't believe you'll have a "Lordy, what have I done" moment when the new crop sets. If you have several specimens, you can always test and draw your own conclusions. Remember, if you test, that you'll want to do so over several seasons because many varieties don't bear consistently season over season. They'll have heavy years followed by light years regardless of what you do. Curious: What varieties do you have? How do you protect trees from cold, if necessary? I have about 50 fruit trees of different kinds. The citrus are oranges, lemons, cumquats, mandarins, tangelos with different cultivars of each. They ripened about 1 to 4 months ago and I have been working through them; eating, freezing, marmalading etc. Right now I have a tangelo and cumquat still bearing. I have a customer for the cumquats who wants them in a month but not now. Only the citrus are frost sensitive here. They all had black plastic "nightshirts" through winter for their first 3 years. The last few years they have been naked and done well. The only frost problem that I have with them is late fruiting in autumn (or even winter) can be damaged, the immature fruit die and fall off after heavy frost. Mature fruit don't. I tried Tahitian limes and grapefruit but the cultivars I could get were too frost tender and died. I have a kaffir lime in a tub that goes under shelter in winter. David |
You need to graft when fruit trees are dormant to avoid stressing the branches.The branch you are going to cut,should be should be flexible and have multiple buds of new growth.Bind grafted ends with a rubber band tightly enough
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Flowering on trees with fruit
allen73 wrote:
You need to graft when 'fruit trees' (http://tinyurl.com/63o8j37) are dormant to avoid stressing the branches.The branch you are going to cut,should be should be flexible and have multiple buds of new growth.Bind grafted ends with a rubber band tightly enough What? This is a complete non sequitor. I didn't mention grafting nor cutting nor hydroponics. If you want to spam for your site be more subtle. David |
Flowering on trees with fruit
Derald wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote: What? This is a complete non sequitor. Don't you just know ol' Allen's wondering why you're typing French? Or _something_ "foreign".... LOL! The English have been pillaging words from other languages for a very long time, this phrase has been around in English for hundreds of years. I should try to remember that it isn't going to be in the list of most texted phrases this year despite being a handy abbreviation for its literal meaning. D |
Flowering on trees with fruit
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote: Derald wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote: What? This is a complete non sequitor. Don't you just know ol' Allen's wondering why you're typing French? Or _something_ "foreign".... LOL! The English have been pillaging words from other languages for a very long time, this phrase has been around in English for hundreds of years. I should try to remember that it isn't going to be in the list of most texted phrases this year despite being a handy abbreviation for its literal meaning. D It might have something to do with the Roman invasion around 55 A.D., the Anglo-Saxon invasion in 700 A.D., and the French invasion in 1056 A.D. I'm afraid that American education, due to lack of funding, especially in the South, has been inadequate in explaining world history. Presently, in the U.S., "Non Sequitor" is only a comic strip, and no further explanation is required. http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
Flowering on trees with fruit
On Sep 16, 11:10*pm, Billy wrote:
. I'm afraid that American education, due to lack of funding, especially in the South, has been inadequate in explaining world history. Do you ever check your facts before you shoot your mouth off? We all know your an American apologist Luddy, but you have to stop pretending your opinion is some kind of fact or that this stupidity somehow explains why no one speaks Latin any more. |
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, Gunner wrote: On Sep 16, 11:10*pm, Billy wrote: . I'm afraid that American education, due to lack of funding, especially in the South, has been inadequate in explaining world history. Do you ever check your facts before you shoot your mouth off? No, gunny, I never do. I just do it to drive you crazier. It seems to be working ;O) http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-new-york-scho ols-spend-most-money-per-pupil/ We all know your an American apologist Luddy, but you have to stop pretending your opinion is some kind of fact or that this stupidity somehow explains why no one speaks Latin any more. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug |
Flowering on trees with fruit
On Sep 17, 2:01*pm, Billy wrote:
On Sep 16, 11:10*pm, Billy wrote: . I'm afraid that American education, due to lack of funding, especially in the South, has been inadequate in explaining world history. Do you ever check your facts before you shoot your mouth off? No, gunny, I never do. I just do it to drive you crazier. It seems to be working ;O) Still a day late and a dollar short are ya? Catch up slick, actual NEA research shows a much different: Expenditures per Student: The U.S. average per student expenditure for public elementary and secondary schools in 200809 fall enrollment was $10,190. States with the highest per student expenditures: Rhode Island ($17,289), New Jersey ($16,253), New York ($15,997), Wyoming ($14,732), and Vermont ($14,679). Utah ($5,912), Arizona ($5,932), Mississippi ($7,484), Nevada ($7,615), and Idaho ($7,730) had the lowest per student expenditures (H-11). Rankings &Estimates Rankings of the States 2009 and Estimates of School Statistics 2010 NEA RESEARCH DECEMBER 2010 dig a bit further and see CA ranked 46th in Public Education Rating in 2003. Stiil the point is you seem to relish denigrating Americans with your Neoluddite and fringe political talk. It was not more than a few days ago you AGAIN agreed that this is a gardening group, not one of your ~300+ political messages you post monthly. We not going backwards. Your just standing still playing the Walter Mitty character. Drives ya nuts doesn't it. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but ya didn't. Go preach somewhere else. |
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