i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

yesterday was the first chance i'd had
to start shelling the harvest.

the first paper bag full came in over
5lbs (i think my whole harvest last year
was about 4.5lbs).

i have another 8 - 15 bags yet to go
(don't know for sure because some are
still in trays drying).

in the meantime, i'm looking out the
window at the first sleet/snow of the season
and very glad i finished leveling two gardens
last week and got the bulbs all replanted.

the second strawberry patch is mulched
and the third strawberry patch is started
with the potted transplants i had standing
by (waiting for the beans to be finished
and harvested). surrounded by garlic as
there is no fence around that area and we
have bunnies and deer that sometimes come
through. however, this year we've had a
hawk hunting and i suspect it has given
the bunnies a challenge.

a dozen bags of shredded leaves to bury
and mix in many gardens with the shredded bark
to keep the worms happy for the winter. not
going to put any of this on the clay out
back as that already has had a good cover.

one last garden to chop and bury (the
peas i planted in August) sometime this
weekend when the weather is supposed to
clear for a bit.

so back to the soybeans today. it's
music to my ears hearing them bouncing off
and rolling down the cardboard.


songbird

"songbird" wrote in message
...
i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

Nice post Bird - sounds like life is good for you. Now, 'bout those
soybeans.... How does one go about growing soybeans please? How deep, how
far apart, what sort of soil conditions, when etc? and can you gorw soy
beans from the stock you'd buy at a Health food shop or does one have to buy
special seed soy beans. TIA.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"songbird" wrote in message
...
i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

Nice post Bird - sounds like life is good for you. Now, 'bout those
soybeans.... How does one go about growing soybeans please? How deep,
how far apart, what sort of soil conditions, when etc? and can you gorw
soy beans from the stock you'd buy at a Health food shop or does one have
to buy special seed soy beans. TIA.


I have had luck sprouting the soy beans from out local weigh and pay so I
see no reason why they wouldn't grow, if the wife didn't eat them. As to
how deep and how far that's beyond me.

Mike

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:52:48 +1100, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

"songbird" wrote in message
...
i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

Nice post Bird - sounds like life is good for you. Now, 'bout those
soybeans.... How does one go about growing soybeans please? How deep, how
far apart, what sort of soil conditions, when etc? and can you gorw soy
beans from the stock you'd buy at a Health food shop or does one have to buy
special seed soy beans. TIA.


The directions on my purchased green soybean seeds say:
"Any good garden soil will grow soybeans. After last frost in
spring, sow about 6 -10 seeds/ft., 1" deep, rows 15 - 30" apart
depending on method of cultivation. Reduce seeding rate somewhat for
more narrow row spacing. Thinning is not necessary."

Sounds pretty much like most beans I have grown.
--
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North Carolina Foothills
USDA Zone 7a
To find your extension office
http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"songbird" wrote in message
...
i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

Nice post Bird - sounds like life is good for you. Now, 'bout those
soybeans.... How does one go about growing soybeans please? How deep,
how far apart, what sort of soil conditions, when etc? and can you gorw
soy beans from the stock you'd buy at a Health food shop or does one have
to buy special seed soy beans. TIA.


I had a good crop this year myself. I used the same culture as for bush
beans. They got about 30 inches tall, I didn't use any support, but they
probably could have used some late in the season. I picked about 1/2 in the
green stage, blanched and froze them as edamame(delicious). They will
probably become a yearly crop for me.
Steve

FarmI wrote:
songbird wrote:

i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

Nice post Bird - sounds like life is good for you.

it is good for me.


Now, 'bout those
soybeans.... How does one go about growing soybeans please? How deep, how
far apart, what sort of soil conditions, when etc? and can you gorw soy
beans from the stock you'd buy at a Health food shop or does one have to buy
special seed soy beans. TIA.

i've grown them from picking up seeds from the
field next to us (likely a glyphosate resistant variety)
and didn't like those for taste as much as the few
lbs i picked up from the health food store that were
labelled organic. i planted those this year and the
difference was noticeable in terms of season, the
ones i planted turned brown several weeks later than
the soybean fields around us.

i space them 4-6 inches apart and rows a foot apart.
1-2 inches deep, they have pretty big leaves and smother
anything growing within a few feet of them so don't plan
on planting anything right next to them, or you can do
what i did with some of them to thin them out (so the
strawberries got some sunshine) i just trimmed off some
of the leaves. i used the trimmings for green manure
and worm farm food. chickens would probably eat them.

planted them after all danger of frost was past. in
some cases i planted them even later, because i was
waiting for some flowers to die back.

they will not flower or get pods right away. they
are not like peas or green beans, you don't need to pick
to encourage them to produce. as for pests, Japanese
beetles and the other broad leaf chewers and aphids
can be a problem, but i don't see them here much because
of the ladybeetles and birds.

a little bit of rust or fungal diseases can show up,
but i don't worry at all if the season is advanced
enough. if it is early i'll pull the plant or
infected leaves before it spreads. this year it was
so hot and dry that i didn't even bother looking for
fungal diseases.

if my estimate of the harvest this year is correct
one bean gives between a 50 to 75 return.

harvesting by hand is a bit of work, but i like
being outside picking. stripping the stalks is not
too bad if you wait until the leaves have dried
and fallen off and the pods are mostly dry (i.e. not
green). i can pick three to four paper bags of pods
in several hours. long sleeved shirt required. it's
picky and dusty.

the shelling is also dusty, but there are methods
for doing that where you can avoid the dust too. i
put the dry pods in a pillow case and stomp on them for
a while. sort them from the chaff by dumping them from
box to box in a good breeze or if it is too windy and
rainy i use an inclined plane made out of cardboard and
they roll down it as i squish and crumple the pods to
get the beans out. i wear thin rubber gloves because
the pods will stick to cotton gloves.

i'm sure that beating the pillow case with a
baseball bat would probably work too.

the usual 90/10 rule applies, to get the first
90% of the beans takes 10% of the time and effort.
if i had chickens or pigs i'd not even bother with
the last 10% and let them pick through to get
those, but as i have both time and patience i end
up going for almost every bean i can find in the
pods. then later on, i go through and pick out
the beans i don't want to use for soymilk and put
those in the worm food bucket. the chaff gets
recycled back to the gardens one way or another
too. it makes good worm bedding eventually.


songbird

The Cook wrote:
....
The directions on my purchased green soybean seeds say:
"Any good garden soil will grow soybeans. After last frost in
spring, sow about 6 -10 seeds/ft., 1" deep, rows 15 - 30" apart
depending on method of cultivation. Reduce seeding rate somewhat for
more narrow row spacing. Thinning is not necessary."

Sounds pretty much like most beans I have grown.

4 inches minimum between plants. rows a foot
apart is fine. after they get going you will not
be able to walk between the rows anyways, but the
plants support each other so having them too far
apart means they might get blown over.

if you want a pathway you'll need 5ft at
least. plants i grew this year went over a
three foot spacing (strawberries and row of
wax and green beans next to the strawberries,
soybeans in the middle) and still flopped out
over into the surrounding pathway. i've already
decided next year to plant the soybeans in two
bigger patches (instead of the seven small
patches i did this year) because they overgrew
so much of the plants around them. they can
lean on each other. i'll probably double my
productivity of the other bean patches this way.


songbird

Steve Peek wrote:
....
I had a good crop this year myself. I used the same culture as for bush
beans. They got about 30 inches tall, I didn't use any support, but they
probably could have used some late in the season. I picked about 1/2 in the
green stage, blanched and froze them as edamame(delicious). They will
probably become a yearly crop for me.

green varieties aimed at edamame might be
different from the kinds i've been growing for
soymilk (dry beans) as these plants easily
get 5ft tall for me here. the fields next to
us the plants typically get about 3ft tall.


songbird

"songbird" wrote in message
...
Steve Peek wrote:
...
I had a good crop this year myself. I used the same culture as for bush
beans. They got about 30 inches tall, I didn't use any support, but they
probably could have used some late in the season. I picked about 1/2 in
the
green stage, blanched and froze them as edamame(delicious). They will
probably become a yearly crop for me.

green varieties aimed at edamame might be
different from the kinds i've been growing for
soymilk (dry beans) as these plants easily
get 5ft tall for me here. the fields next to
us the plants typically get about 3ft tall.


songbird

OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

Steve Peek wrote:
....
OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

very easy,

- rinse beans[1]
- soak beans in water for 24 hours, change the water a few times[2]
- blend beans with some water until they are a fine slurry[3]
- dump slurry into more water to cook[4]
- when the foam goes away it's about done, cook a few more minutes[5]
- strain to remove the pieces from the soymilk[6]
- refrigerate, drink, cook with, etc[7]
- the left over ground up cooked beans are edible and useful[8]


Notes:

[1] don't use funny looking beans (in the non-clown
sense of funny). about 1.5 cups dry beans per
gallon of finished soymilk (adjust up or down
to taste).

[2] sometimes they make a popping noise. it's quite
funny (in the clown sense of funny).

[3] the better blender you have the more you'll get
from the bean and the less you'll have to filter
off at the end. i use over a gallon of water to
get a gallon of soymilk. a really good blender
should lower how much water you'd lose after
filtering. yes, you can make a mess if you blend
too much at once.

[4] there is going to be a lot of foam, do not walk away
as this will boil over, stir once in a while or it
will burn.

[5] about 25-35 minutes.

[6] i use a wire sifter for one pour and then put it
through a fine mesh (gold plated) reusable coffee
filter to get the rest of the pieces out.

[7] excellent ingredient to use along with lite coconut
milk for any red or green Thai curry.

[8] i eat some right away, a little sugar and cinnamon
on top. also good in muffins, cakes, etc. but in
the end, i feed some of it to the worm farm too,
they love it.


google "Making Soy Milk" and the site that has the
title milking the bean or something like that is
the easiest description i've found.

for making tofu it's a few more steps, but not too
hard. the just mentioned site covers this too.




songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Steve Peek wrote:
...
OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

very easy,

- rinse beans[1]
- soak beans in water for 24 hours, change the water a few times[2]
- blend beans with some water until they are a fine slurry[3]
- dump slurry into more water to cook[4]
- when the foam goes away it's about done, cook a few more minutes[5]
- strain to remove the pieces from the soymilk[6]
- refrigerate, drink, cook with, etc[7]
- the left over ground up cooked beans are edible and useful[8]


Notes:

[1] don't use funny looking beans (in the non-clown
sense of funny). about 1.5 cups dry beans per
gallon of finished soymilk (adjust up or down
to taste).

[2] sometimes they make a popping noise. it's quite
funny (in the clown sense of funny).

[3] the better blender you have the more you'll get
from the bean and the less you'll have to filter
off at the end. i use over a gallon of water to
get a gallon of soymilk. a really good blender
should lower how much water you'd lose after
filtering. yes, you can make a mess if you blend
too much at once.

[4] there is going to be a lot of foam, do not walk away
as this will boil over, stir once in a while or it
will burn.

[5] about 25-35 minutes.

[6] i use a wire sifter for one pour and then put it
through a fine mesh (gold plated) reusable coffee
filter to get the rest of the pieces out.

[7] excellent ingredient to use along with lite coconut
milk for any red or green Thai curry.

[8] i eat some right away, a little sugar and cinnamon
on top. also good in muffins, cakes, etc. but in
the end, i feed some of it to the worm farm too,
they love it.


google "Making Soy Milk" and the site that has the
title milking the bean or something like that is
the easiest description i've found.

for making tofu it's a few more steps, but not too
hard. the just mentioned site covers this too.




songbird

Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

-----
--
- Billy

E pluribus unum
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

Billy wrote:
....
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?

funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
...
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?
You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the
implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with
pictures for you.
The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN.

funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


songbird


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen
Phytoestrogen
Main article: Phytoestrogens
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are
one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally
occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption
of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient
amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102]

Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and
beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an
ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant
source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing
13*273*µg/100*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet
with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans,
split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean
sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only
coumestan in foods.[104][105]

Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total
phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the
form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavende...traindications
Lavender oil has recently been implicated in gynecomastia, the abnormal
development of breasts in young boys. Denver endocrinologist Clifford
Bloch hypothesized the link after three boys presented with enlarged
breasts. Subsequently, Derek Henley and Kenneth Korach of the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in Research Triangle Park,
N.C., discovered in lavender and tea tree oil the presence of compounds
which both suppress male hormones and mimic female hormones.

Because sex hormone levels normally are low prior to puberty, young boys
and girls particularly are sensitive to estrogenic and androgenic
compounds. The discovery of the gynecomastia link in boys has led some
researchers to suspect lavender and tea tree oils, which are present in
various personal care products including shampoos and lotions, may also
contribute to the increased incidence of early breast development in
girls.

Discontinuation of use of these products resulted in rapid reversal of
gynecomastia in Bloch¹s young patients.[14][15]

However, the conclusion that the gynecomastia actually was caused by the
essential oils in the products used by the three boys are currently
being disputed by the Natural Artisan Perfumers Guild and Cropwatch on
the claimed basis of insufficient evidence.[citation needed]
--
- Billy

E pluribus unum
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:43:38 -0500, songbird
wrote:

i suspect i shall have a surplus of
soybeans.

yesterday was the first chance i'd had
to start shelling the harvest.

the first paper bag full came in over
5lbs (i think my whole harvest last year
was about 4.5lbs).

i have another 8 - 15 bags yet to go
(don't know for sure because some are
still in trays drying).

in the meantime, i'm looking out the
window at the first sleet/snow of the season
and very glad i finished leveling two gardens
last week and got the bulbs all replanted.

the second strawberry patch is mulched
and the third strawberry patch is started
with the potted transplants i had standing
by (waiting for the beans to be finished
and harvested). surrounded by garlic as
there is no fence around that area and we
have bunnies and deer that sometimes come
through. however, this year we've had a
hawk hunting and i suspect it has given
the bunnies a challenge.

a dozen bags of shredded leaves to bury
and mix in many gardens with the shredded bark
to keep the worms happy for the winter. not
going to put any of this on the clay out
back as that already has had a good cover.

one last garden to chop and bury (the
peas i planted in August) sometime this
weekend when the weather is supposed to
clear for a bit.

so back to the soybeans today. it's
music to my ears hearing them bouncing off
and rolling down the cardboard.


songbird

That's one bean we don't have to spend any time shelling.
Soybeans are a huge cash crop around this area with many thousands of
acres grown each year. We can get more than we need of already shelled
soybeans quite easily.
Many pounds are spilled when the harvested beans are transferred from
the combines to the waiting trucks.
I've never been denied permission to retreive some of the spilled
beans when I've asked.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada.
Ag Canada Zone 5B
43º 17' 26.75" North
80º 13' 29.46" West

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
...
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?
You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the
implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with
pictures for you.
The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN.

once again billy, the first paragraph shoots
you down. read it. i'll underline the relevant
part for you.


funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen
Phytoestrogen
Main article: Phytoestrogens
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are
one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally
occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^

Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and
beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an
ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant
source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing
13Â*273Â*µg/100Â*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet
with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans,
split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean
sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only
coumestan in foods.[104][105]

Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total
phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the
form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106]


songbird