Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

You're about to hear all the same reasons I was told not to put dog poo in
the compost bin . See the "What to do" thread that started with my post on
1/31 /12 . Seems it all boils down to "there might be dangerous pathogens in
it since it is predator poo" . IMO , a properly working compost bin will
achieve temps that should kill those "dangerous pathogens" . And that sounds
better than allowing the rain to wash it all back into the soil ...
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Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

yes, many, including the spread of some
nasty diseases.

any child or pregnant woman can be
severely effected.


songbird

Snag wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

You're about to hear all the same reasons I was told not to put dog
poo in the compost bin . See the "What to do" thread that started
with my post on 1/31 /12 . Seems it all boils down to "there might be
dangerous pathogens in it since it is predator poo" . IMO , a
properly working compost bin will achieve temps that should kill
those "dangerous pathogens" . And that sounds better than allowing
the rain to wash it all back into the soil ...

Not everybody bothers with hot composting.

D

In article , says...
Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

You're about to hear all the same reasons I was told not to put dog poo in
the compost bin . See the "What to do" thread that started with my post on
1/31 /12 . Seems it all boils down to "there might be dangerous pathogens in
it since it is predator poo" . IMO , a properly working compost bin will
achieve temps that should kill those "dangerous pathogens" . And that sounds
better than allowing the rain to wash it all back into the soil ...


But can you guarantee that the temperature is hot enough for long
enough? That is, specifically around the feces.

Gardeners often get fairly up close and personal with their compost so
my primary concern would be contact infection.

In a world where some risks are better avoided, IMO avoiding this one is
the better choice.

"Snag" wrote in message
...
Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

You're about to hear all the same reasons I was told not to put dog
poo in the compost bin . See the "What to do" thread that started with
my post on 1/31 /12 . Seems it all boils down to "there might be
dangerous pathogens in it since it is predator poo" . IMO , a properly
working compost bin will achieve temps that should kill those
"dangerous pathogens" . And that sounds better than allowing the rain
to wash it all back into the soil ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !


Next time I see Oscar, I'll tell him to poop in the dead of night in
someone else's compost pile.

Cheers

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:54:36 -0500, songbird wrote:

Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

yes, many, including the spread of some
nasty diseases.

any child or pregnant woman can be
severely effected.


songbird

Plus there is no upside to using carnivore crap. Carnivores like cats and
dogs produce very little waste because meat is a highly efficient food
source. Herbivores like cows and horses produce vast quantities of
partially digested plant matter which makes excellent fertilizer compost.
The bulk of cat waste is the kitty litter not the crap. You don't want
modern clumping litter anywhere near your garden, it turns into quick sand
and it never hardens or mixes with the soil. About five years ago I tried
dumping used cat litter into some groundhog holes on the theory that it
contains predator urine which would frighten the groundhogs. It was a huge
mistake, the litter turned in to sticky slurry and stayed that way for
years. I eventually dug it out and dumped it in the woods.

You'd be very surprised at just how well human feces works in compost. Basically, all you do is buy a bag of your standard compost from Boots or wherever you get it from, spread some in your garden before laying a great, big poo on top of it and mixing it together with your hands.


Honestly, you've never seen anything like it.
























Ian.

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Oopsy Daisy wrote:

General Schvantzkoph;952713 Wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:54:36 -0500, songbird wrote:
-
Dick Adams wrote:-
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?-

yes, many, including the spread of some
nasty diseases.

any child or pregnant woman can be
severely effected.


songbird-

Plus there is no upside to using carnivore crap. Carnivores like
cats and
dogs produce very little waste because meat is a highly efficient
food source. Herbivores like cows and horses produce vast
quantities of partially digested plant matter which makes excellent
fertilizer compost.
The bulk of cat waste is the kitty litter not the crap. You don't
want modern clumping litter anywhere near your garden, it turns
into quick sand
and it never hardens or mixes with the soil. About five years ago I
tried
dumping used cat litter into some groundhog holes on the theory
that it

contains predator urine which would frighten the groundhogs. It was
a huge
mistake, the litter turned in to sticky slurry and stayed that way
for years. I eventually dug it out and dumped it in the woods.



You'd be very surprised at just how well human feces works in
compost. Basically, all you do is buy a bag of your standard compost
from Boots or wherever you get it from, spread some in your garden
before laying a great, big poo on top of it and mixing it together
with your hands.


Honestly, you've never seen anything like it.

Ian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_soil#Sanitation_issues

The use of human feces as fertilizer is a risky practice as it may
contain disease-causing pathogens. Nevertheless, in developing nations
it is widespread. Common parasitic worm infections, such as
ascariasis, in these countries are linked to night soil, since their
eggs are in feces. There have also been cases of disease-carrying
tomatoes, lettuce, and other vegetables being imported from
developing nations into developed nations.[citation needed]
Human waste may be attractive as fertilizer because of the high demand
for fertilizer and the relative availability of the material to create
night soil. In areas where native soil is of poor quality, the local
population may weigh the risk of using night soil.
The safe reduction of human waste into compost is possible. Many
municipalities create compost from the sewage system biosolids, but
then recommend that it only be used on flower beds, not vegetable
gardens. Some claims have been made that this is dangerous or
inappropriate without the expensive removal of heavy metals.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compost#.22Humanure.22

"Humanure"
"Humanure" is a portmanteau neologism designating human excrement
(feces and urine) that is recycled via composting for agricultural or
other purposes. The term was popularized in a 1994 book by Joseph
Jenkins[28] that advocates the use of this organic soil amendment.[29]

Humanure is not traditional sewage that has been processed by
waste-treatment facilities, which may include waste from industrial
and other sources; rather, it is the combination of feces and urine
with paper and additional carbon material (such as sawdust). A
humanure system, such as a composting toilet, does not require water
or electricity, and when properly managed does not smell. Because the
term "humanure" has no authoritative definition it is subject to
misuse; news reporters occasionally fail to correctly distinguish
between humanure and "sewer sludge" or "biosolids".[30]

By disposing of feces and urine through composting, the nutrients
contained in them are returned to the soil. This aids in preventing
soil degradation. Human fecal matter and urine have high percentages
of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, carbon, and calcium. It is equal
to many fertilizers and manures purchased in garden stores. Humanure
aids in the conservation of fresh water by avoiding the usage of
potable water required by the typical flush toilet. It further
prevents the pollution of ground water by controlling the fecal
matter decomposition before entering the system. When properly
managed, there should be no ground contamination from leachate.

As a substitute for a flush water process, it reduces the energy
consumption and, hence, greenhouse gas emissions associated with the
transportation and processing of water and waste water.

Humanure may be deemed safe for humans to use on crops if handled in
accordance with local health regulations, and composted properly. This
means that thermophilic decomposition of the humanure must heat it
sufficiently to destroy harmful pathogens, or enough time must have
elapsed since fresh material was added that biological activity has
killed any pathogens. To be safe for crops, a curing stage is often
needed to allow a second mesophilic phase to reduce potential
phytotoxins.

Humanure is different from night soil, which is raw human waste spread
on crops. While aiding the return of nutrients in fecal matter to the
soil, it can carry and spread a vast number of human pathogens.
Humanure kills these pathogens both by the extreme heat of the
composting and the extended amount of time (1 to 2 years) that it is
allowed to decompose.

Billy you are feeding an obvious troll.

D

No offence Ian, but you do talk crap sometimes..

hugs and kisses
WD

You'd be very surprised at just how well human feces works in compost.
Basically, all you do is buy a bag of your standard compost from Boots
or wherever you get it from, spread some in your garden before laying a
great, big poo on top of it and mixing it together with your hands.

That's something you would do only out of desperation. Human waste is
doubly bad, first because closely related species carry common diseases,
and humans are by definition the most closely related species, and
secondly because humans are carnivores and carnivores concentrate all of
the diseases of the animals that they eat. The second reason is less true
for people than it is for cats because we cook our food, outdoor cats
don't. The rule should be don't use poop from an animal that you wouldn't
eat. We don't eat closely related species like chimps and we don't eat
carnivores or scavengers.

Isn't dog supposed to be a specialty in China? And don't forget "roof
rabbits". I don't eat them, just sayin'.

There are some cultures that practiced cannibalism until very recently,
the Fore people in New Guinea come to mind. They stopped because it was
the cause of the spongiform encephalitis disease kuru. AIDS crossed the
species barrier because Africans hunt apes and monkeys for food. Eating
any closely related species is a very bad idea as is eating carnivores and
scavengers. The only reason to do it is when the alternative is
starvation. China has a long history of famine so they do eat cats and
dogs, it doesn't make make it a good idea. In fact there was widespread
cannibalism in China during the Great Leap Forward when Mao starved 50
million people to death and there must have been cannibalism in the
Ukraine when Stalin deliberately starved 7 million people to death. Under
those circumstances the first thing you eat are the horses, then the rats,
then cats and dogs and finally people. This thread started about using cat
poop as fertilizer. Very very poor people use whatever they have on hand
including human waste, they do that because the alternative is starvation.
That doesn't make it a good idea for anyone who isn't living in a
desperately poor third world village. Rich westerners with their suburban
gardens should stick to manure from cows, horses (the French eat them even
if Americans don't), sheep and chickens.

On 3/1/2012 9:02 PM, Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

I wouldn't but you can compost anything.
Wife's Aunt lost her eyesight working her little flower garden.
Neighbors cats had used it for a litter box. Despite washing hands she
got a horrible infection from brushing her hair away from her eyes or
something.
She didn't use gloves of course.
I have forgotten the details except that cat poo had a very bad pathogen
in it. It's ot just tht or those cats but most cats.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:05:30 -0400, little turtle wrote:

On 3/1/2012 9:02 PM, Dick Adams wrote:
Is there any reason not to put cat manure in a compost bin?

Dick

I wouldn't but you can compost anything.
Wife's Aunt lost her eyesight working her little flower garden.
Neighbors cats had used it for a litter box. Despite washing hands she
got a horrible infection from brushing her hair away from her eyes or
something.
She didn't use gloves of course.
I have forgotten the details except that cat poo had a very bad pathogen
in it. It's ot just tht or those cats but most cats.


I remember being cautioned against pregnant women cleaning cat boxes
or otherwise handling the litter. I do not remember what the pathogen
is.
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The Cook wrote:

I remember being cautioned against pregnant women cleaning cat boxes
or otherwise handling the litter. I do not remember what the pathogen
is.

Toxoplasmosis.

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