Last two days we have gotten five inches of rain, the majority falling
over the last 24 hours. Lots of flooding in the Houston area but not
where we live. Lost power last night for about eight hours. Happens
frequently where we live, I suspect either a bad transformer or a bad
fuse. I finally turned all the electronics off last night to avoid
catastrophic failure as the power was dropping on and off for about an
hour, not the best thing to do to electronics.

The garden has thoroughly enjoyed the rain, seems as if all the plants
doubled in size overnight. I suspect it was all the nitrogen brought
down from the rain. Squash plants a week ago were four or five inches
high, now they're over a foot high. Tomatoes, eggplant, and sweet chiles
are covered with blooms. The pole beans, both lima and green, are
climbing like lantana, fast. Cukes are finally starting to climb but as
yet no blooms. The fig tree is setting fruit and I'm already seeing
flower buds on the kumquat. The lonely two pears on our Tennousi pear
are about the size of my thumb already.

We hoped for more pears but we had no bees at the time of bloom. We're
seeing a few honey bees plus mason, carpenter, and bumble bees but not
enough to do a good job of pollination. No bee flies as yet but I know
they're around somewhere. The new subdivision going in behind us isn't
helping as that was where most of our bees were coming from the now
non-existent woods. No need to seek out a beekeeper as the dairy farm
nearby has been spraying again by aircraft and we get the over spray.
The damned farm is two miles away and we still get spray. I think I
shall complain. In addition they plant rye grass every fall and we get
that over flight too. It's a PITA to be digging rye grass out of the
gardens and lawn. It does get into the composter though.

Otherwise it's a decent day, cool, overcast with a threat of more rain,
which in Texas is never enough. It was only a few years ago that we were
in severe drought conditions. Rain is a blessing we needed and will for
some time as there are more and more restrictions on using ground water.

We're still harvesting lettuce, radishes, beets, spinach, chard, and
other "winter" greenery and enjoying it. The Barbados dwarf cherries are
in full bloom and all of about eighteen inches high. Make a good display
in the front flower bed, backed by the perennial Bright Lights chard
and, we might actually get some of the tiny, edible cherries.

George Shirley wrote:

Last two days we have gotten five inches of rain, the majority falling
over the last 24 hours. Lots of flooding in the Houston area but not
where we live. Lost power last night for about eight hours. Happens
frequently where we live, I suspect either a bad transformer or a bad
fuse. I finally turned all the electronics off last night to avoid
catastrophic failure as the power was dropping on and off for about an
hour, not the best thing to do to electronics.

for the expensive electronics always a good idea to
have a UPS in the circuit if your power company is
flaky. unplugging or surge protectors can help but i
don't think either is worth it if you can afford a few
$ for the UPS instead.


The garden has thoroughly enjoyed the rain, seems as if all the plants
doubled in size overnight. I suspect it was all the nitrogen brought
down from the rain. Squash plants a week ago were four or five inches
high, now they're over a foot high. Tomatoes, eggplant, and sweet chiles
are covered with blooms. The pole beans, both lima and green, are
climbing like lantana, fast. Cukes are finally starting to climb but as
yet no blooms. The fig tree is setting fruit and I'm already seeing
flower buds on the kumquat. The lonely two pears on our Tennousi pear
are about the size of my thumb already.

i'm jealous and envious... it was a beautiful
day out here with rains forecast for most of the week.
still i don't believe it until i see it. Saturday
we were supposed to have a 70% chance of rain and it
ended up being four sprinkles of not much at all. we
have had some rain so it isn't as dry as the folks out
west, and i would not mind another nice week of fairly
dry weather so i can get a few more gardens ready for
planting and get some other weeding or goofing around
done. nothing beats a nice early spring day for
getting stuff done that didn't get done last fall and
so it is good to me.

yesterday we went back and pulled some trash out of
the ditch, one large garbage container we can't get
and so i said we could wait until the water warms up
enough that i can go in after it.


We hoped for more pears but we had no bees at the time of bloom. We're
seeing a few honey bees plus mason, carpenter, and bumble bees but not
enough to do a good job of pollination. No bee flies as yet but I know
they're around somewhere. The new subdivision going in behind us isn't
helping as that was where most of our bees were coming from the now
non-existent woods. No need to seek out a beekeeper as the dairy farm
nearby has been spraying again by aircraft and we get the over spray.
The damned farm is two miles away and we still get spray. I think I
shall complain. In addition they plant rye grass every fall and we get
that over flight too. It's a PITA to be digging rye grass out of the
gardens and lawn. It does get into the composter though.

i've never heard of seeding rye grass by plane before...


Otherwise it's a decent day, cool, overcast with a threat of more rain,
which in Texas is never enough. It was only a few years ago that we were
in severe drought conditions. Rain is a blessing we needed and will for
some time as there are more and more restrictions on using ground water.

hope things out west start coming around too. it's
been a tough stretch for them.


We're still harvesting lettuce, radishes, beets, spinach, chard, and
other "winter" greenery and enjoying it. The Barbados dwarf cherries are
in full bloom and all of about eighteen inches high. Make a good display
in the front flower bed, backed by the perennial Bright Lights chard
and, we might actually get some of the tiny, edible cherries.



the harvest here recently has been weeds/grasses i want
to get out of some gardens before it takes over and some
bulbs we want to move and even if it isn't the best time to
do it, it is getting done anyways. none of them are the
only ones we have so they can take a year or two to bounce
back and we won't be out any major blooms.

some fresh garlic would be good if i had something to
cook... i may have to process the garlic i have in the
garage as it looks to be starting to sprout. keeping it
out there and well covered has kept it a few months longer
than i had been able to keep it before. i'm sure a fair
amount of it will not be that good any longer, but if i
can get a few jars of prepared garlic in the freezer then
they make good gifts for others and Ma will use them in
the winter months for her cooking.

still no catbirds this spring, hope they will come back,
i always enjoy their songs.


songbird

On 4/18/2015 6:57 PM, songbird wrote:
George Shirley wrote:

Last two days we have gotten five inches of rain, the majority falling
over the last 24 hours. Lots of flooding in the Houston area but not
where we live. Lost power last night for about eight hours. Happens
frequently where we live, I suspect either a bad transformer or a bad
fuse. I finally turned all the electronics off last night to avoid
catastrophic failure as the power was dropping on and off for about an
hour, not the best thing to do to electronics.

for the expensive electronics always a good idea to
have a UPS in the circuit if your power company is
flaky. unplugging or surge protectors can help but i
don't think either is worth it if you can afford a few
$ for the UPS instead.

There's a UPS for the office but not for the tv's, etc. We have a whole
house surge protector that, so far, has worked well.


The garden has thoroughly enjoyed the rain, seems as if all the plants
doubled in size overnight. I suspect it was all the nitrogen brought
down from the rain. Squash plants a week ago were four or five inches
high, now they're over a foot high. Tomatoes, eggplant, and sweet chiles
are covered with blooms. The pole beans, both lima and green, are
climbing like lantana, fast. Cukes are finally starting to climb but as
yet no blooms. The fig tree is setting fruit and I'm already seeing
flower buds on the kumquat. The lonely two pears on our Tennousi pear
are about the size of my thumb already.

i'm jealous and envious... it was a beautiful
day out here with rains forecast for most of the week.
still i don't believe it until i see it. Saturday
we were supposed to have a 70% chance of rain and it
ended up being four sprinkles of not much at all. we
have had some rain so it isn't as dry as the folks out
west, and i would not mind another nice week of fairly
dry weather so i can get a few more gardens ready for
planting and get some other weeding or goofing around
done. nothing beats a nice early spring day for
getting stuff done that didn't get done last fall and
so it is good to me.

yesterday we went back and pulled some trash out of
the ditch, one large garbage container we can't get
and so i said we could wait until the water warms up
enough that i can go in after it.


We hoped for more pears but we had no bees at the time of bloom. We're
seeing a few honey bees plus mason, carpenter, and bumble bees but not
enough to do a good job of pollination. No bee flies as yet but I know
they're around somewhere. The new subdivision going in behind us isn't
helping as that was where most of our bees were coming from the now
non-existent woods. No need to seek out a beekeeper as the dairy farm
nearby has been spraying again by aircraft and we get the over spray.
The damned farm is two miles away and we still get spray. I think I
shall complain. In addition they plant rye grass every fall and we get
that over flight too. It's a PITA to be digging rye grass out of the
gardens and lawn. It does get into the composter though.

i've never heard of seeding rye grass by plane before...

Fairly common in Texas, particularly if the farmer has a large property,
gets it done quicker and cheaper than tractor sowing. Eons ago I spread
Pensacola Bahia over ten acres with a hand cranked spreader, ended up
with sore arms but the critters were happy when it came up. Most homes
here have St. Augustine grass, which is a runner grass but is not drouth
tolerant at all.


Otherwise it's a decent day, cool, overcast with a threat of more rain,
which in Texas is never enough. It was only a few years ago that we were
in severe drought conditions. Rain is a blessing we needed and will for
some time as there are more and more restrictions on using ground water.

hope things out west start coming around too. it's
been a tough stretch for them.


We're still harvesting lettuce, radishes, beets, spinach, chard, and
other "winter" greenery and enjoying it. The Barbados dwarf cherries are
in full bloom and all of about eighteen inches high. Make a good display
in the front flower bed, backed by the perennial Bright Lights chard
and, we might actually get some of the tiny, edible cherries.



the harvest here recently has been weeds/grasses i want
to get out of some gardens before it takes over and some
bulbs we want to move and even if it isn't the best time to
do it, it is getting done anyways. none of them are the
only ones we have so they can take a year or two to bounce
back and we won't be out any major blooms.

some fresh garlic would be good if i had something to
cook... i may have to process the garlic i have in the
garage as it looks to be starting to sprout. keeping it
out there and well covered has kept it a few months longer
than i had been able to keep it before. i'm sure a fair
amount of it will not be that good any longer, but if i
can get a few jars of prepared garlic in the freezer then
they make good gifts for others and Ma will use them in
the winter months for her cooking.

I generally cook with garlic chives as they grow here year around and
are easy to harvest when needed plus I freeze bags of them for later
use. Used to grow elephant garlic and it was tasty and easy to grow as
they produced corms to replant.

still no catbirds this spring, hope they will come back,
i always enjoy their songs.


songbird

Bluebirds, mocking birds, swallows, etc. all working on nests. Haven't
seen a hummingbird in years nor robins. Used to get painted and blue
buntings in the backyard in Louisiana but haven't seen them since
Hurricane Rita.

If power is so flakey as to threaten robust protection already inside electronics, then the UPS is also at risk. And will connect that same flakey power direct to electronics. Then much later (after the bad stuff is done) it will switch to battery (if not already damaged).

Essential to even protect that UPS is the properly earthed 'whole house' protector. That actually does protect from anomalies so massive as to overwhelm protection inside all appliances.

That UPS may be $100 per protected appliance. A superior and well proven 'whole house' solution costs about $1 per. And is essential because most anomalies that cause damage occur long after any homeowner even considers disconnecting.

BTW, some of the 'dirtiest' power seen by an appliance comes from a UPS in battery backup mode. Power so 'dirty' as to be potentially harmful to motorized appliances. Due to robust protection already inside electronics, that 'dirty' power is also ideal power.

If you do not already have one, then please learn how it must be installed, why it works, and why is it the only solution found in even facility that cannot have damage. A useful recommend will also provide numbers necessary to obtain a minimally sufficient and superior solution. This solution is even more essential in rural environment.

On 4/20/2015 5:41 PM, westom wrote:
'songbird[_2_ Wrote:
;1013054']George Shirley wrote:
for the expensive electronics always a good idea to
have a UPS in the circuit if your power company is
flaky. unplugging or surge protectors can help but i
don't think either is worth it if you can afford a few $ for the UPS
instead.
If power is so flakey as to threaten robust protection already inside
electronics, then the UPS is also at risk. And will connect that same
flakey power direct to electronics. Then much later (after the bad
stuff is done) it will switch to battery (if not already damaged).

Essential to even protect that UPS is the properly earthed 'whole house'
protector. That actually does protect from anomalies so massive as to
overwhelm protection inside all appliances.

That UPS may be $100 per protected appliance. A superior and well
proven 'whole house' solution costs about $1 per. And is essential
because most anomalies that cause damage occur long after any homeowner
even considers disconnecting.

BTW, some of the 'dirtiest' power seen by an appliance comes from a UPS
in battery backup mode. Power so 'dirty' as to be potentially harmful
to motorized appliances. Due to robust protection already inside
electronics, that 'dirty' power is also ideal power.

If you do not already have one, then please learn how it must be
installed, why it works, and why is it the only solution found in even
facility that cannot have damage. A useful recommend will also provide
numbers necessary to obtain a minimally sufficient and superior
solution. This solution is even more essential in rural environment.




George Shirley didn't write that, Songbird did. Read my original post
and you will see that we have a whole house surge protector, that,
indeed, has protected us. My UPS system is only connected to the
computer and is only to allow me time to shut everything down properly
versus allowing a power surge or outage to do the job.

On 4/22/2015 12:17 PM, Derald wrote:
George Shirley wrote:

Otherwise it's a decent day, cool, overcast with a threat of more rain,
which in Texas is never enough. It was only a few years ago that we were
in severe drought conditions. Rain is a blessing we needed and will for
some time as there are more and more restrictions on using ground water.

The rain finally got to us here, in FL, over the weekend. Two days
of rain and a third of just wet with little more than an inch
accumulated. Not actually enough do much "good" but just enough to
discourage outdoor activities. This old fart is gardening with wet fur
no more, no more.

We're still harvesting lettuce, radishes, beets, spinach, chard, and
other "winter" greenery and enjoying it.
Except for a few mustard greens, collards and the perrenial herbs,
my "winter" veggies are done and composting. The garlic seems to be
coming along well and the onions are filling out nicely. Leaving it up
to DW to determine when they're of the "right" size. A few carrots
remain but, although the tops are beautiful, they're not growing at the
temperatures we're having. Some strays from previous seasons are
blooming and setting seeds. Have 122 (I think) "little marvel" English
peas covered in blooms, "wando" peas and two varieties of zydeco rockin'
and rollin'. Squeezing in some cowpeas to accompany the okra. One
without the other, in this climate, I deem pitiable ;-) Here and there,
remainder peanuts are beginining to bloom, although, they're not yet
pegging. Due to space and timing restictions, I don't normally plant
peanuts this early but, if they're likely to blossom this early, I'll
reconsider.

We grow brown crowder peas, a favorite for us and our grands. Used to
grow black crowder peas, my great grandfather in Central Louisiana
developed them not to long after the Civil War. We planted them in Texas
for years. When Dad died in 1982 I was in Saudi Arabia working and Mom
tossed the two one pound coffee cans of see he had stashed in the
freezer. I miss those crowders, they were huge and tasty.

We planted yellow Trucker's Favorite corn this year, a long time
favorite of mine from childhood. I reckon the seed was old as we had one
come up. I will have to go by the old farm store in my home town
sometime soon and complain.

We seldom grow okra anymore, have many lbs of frozen, chopped okra in
the freezer. Only way I eat okra is in a gumbo or fried southern style.
I think it's because it was a staple when I was very young and it seemed
we had it at every meal.

We have tiny tomatoes, sweet chiles, and both zucchini and yellow squash
growing now. Can hardly wait for a BLT on homemade bread. The dewberries
we've been fostering are a bust, tiny berries and don't taste right.
They were growing along the fence line so we encouraged them. Now I'm
thinking of killing them and putting in something else. Guess it's back
to the blackberry farm this spring sometime. Only a few lbs left in the
freezer and the blackberry jelly is getting low.

Pretty day, nice breeze, lots of sunshine, and it's getting hot out there.

George Shirley wrote:

We have tiny tomatoes, sweet chiles, and both zucchini and yellow
squash growing now. Can hardly wait for a BLT on homemade bread. The
dewberries we've been fostering are a bust, tiny berries and don't
taste right. They were growing along the fence line so we encouraged them.
Now I'm
thinking of killing them and putting in something else. Guess it's
back to the blackberry farm this spring sometime. Only a few lbs left
in the freezer and the blackberry jelly is getting low.

Pretty day, nice breeze, lots of sunshine, and it's getting hot out
there.

I have my tomatoes all in the ground now , and have pumpkins , acorn squash
and green beans coming up . Strawberries are going nuts , garlic and last
years green onions doing well . The spinach , lettuce , and bok choy are
growing , but something is nibbling on the bok choy . Grasshoppers , I
think - can't decide whether BT or DE is the proper choice for control . I'm
still looking for signs of growth from the cucumbers ...
I have some peppers in the hotbox , plan to wait a couple more weeks for
warmer weather to put them in the garden .

--
Snag

Derald wrote:

... Here and there,
remainder peanuts are beginining to bloom, although, they're not yet
pegging. Due to space and timing restictions, I don't normally plant
peanuts this early but, if they're likely to blossom this early, I'll
reconsider.

will peanuts naturalize in your environment?


songbird

Terry Coombs wrote:
George Shirley wrote:
....
Pretty day, nice breeze, lots of sunshine, and it's getting hot out
there.

*obgrump* it's been too cold here... a little snow
flurries but no accumulation. rains have mostly missed
us, but we had enough for now. if the forecast is right
i may be able to get back outside later this week.

i have found some short stubby carrots to try.
will plant more fennel this year (i like it better than
celery and it is easy to grow). bok choy would be nice,
but i'll have to get seeds. haven't seen them around
in the racks yet. i would like to get both cilantro
and large leafed parsley going too.


I have my tomatoes all in the ground now , and have pumpkins , acorn squash
and green beans coming up . Strawberries are going nuts , garlic and last
years green onions doing well .

what type of green onions do you have going?

hope your strawberries do well, they are such a
treat. my sister called the other day because she
was so happy to have found a jar in the back of her
freezer from last summer.


The spinach , lettuce , and bok choy are
growing , but something is nibbling on the bok choy . Grasshoppers , I
think - can't decide whether BT or DE is the proper choice for control . I'm
still looking for signs of growth from the cucumbers ...
I have some peppers in the hotbox , plan to wait a couple more weeks for
warmer weather to put them in the garden .

i keep counting the days... indoor chores
will keep me as busy as i want to be until then.


songbird

A UPS does nothing for power surges. Power surges are addressed by that 'whole house' protector. And only if that protector is properly earthed.

A UPS is temporary and 'dirty' power during a blackout to protect unsaved data. Blackouts do not harm appliances.

Surges do hardware damage in microseconds. A UPS typically takes 10 milliseconds to respond. A UPS is too slow to protect hardware.

Each device is for a different anomaly. Even a UPS needs protection provided by a properly earthed 'whole house' solution. That solution means nobody even knows if a surge existed. Again, this 'whole house' solution is strongly recommended in rural venues.

songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
bok choy would be nice,
but i'll have to get seeds. haven't seen them around
in the racks yet. i would like to get both cilantro
and large leafed parsley going too.

Ping me offline with a mailing address, my reply-to is good . I'll send
you some bok choy seeds . Would you like some Zucchini , okra , pumpkin ,
acorn squash , or Kentucky Wonder pole beans too ? I'm a compulsive seed
saver . may have other stuff you'd like , just ask !

I have my tomatoes all in the ground now , and have pumpkins , acorn
squash and green beans coming up . Strawberries are going nuts ,
garlic and last years green onions doing well .

what type of green onions do you have going?

These are a bunching onion bought at the local farm supply co-op by the
pound . Very good onions for salads and cooking . The ones I'm harvesting
now were planted last year .

hope your strawberries do well, they are such a
treat. my sister called the other day because she
was so happy to have found a jar in the back of her
freezer from last summer.


I put these berries in last spring and pinched the blossoms . My 14
original plants are now about 10x that , and they're loaded with blossoms
and developing fruit .

The spinach , lettuce , and bok choy are
growing , but something is nibbling on the bok choy . Grasshoppers ,
I think - can't decide whether BT or DE is the proper choice for
control . I'm still looking for signs of growth from the cucumbers
... I have some peppers in the hotbox , plan to wait a couple more
weeks for warmer weather to put them in the garden .

i keep counting the days... indoor chores
will keep me as busy as i want to be until then.


songbird

My main indoor chore is doing all the cooking here since she works . I
have plenty to keep me busy outdoors though , no matter what season .

--
Snag

In article
westom writes:

'George Shirley[_3_ Wrote:
;1013118'] My UPS system is only connected to the computer and is only
to allow me time to shut everything down properly
versus allowing a power surge or outage to do the job.
A UPS does nothing for power surges. Power surges are addressed by that
'whole house' protector. And only if that protector is properly
earthed.

A UPS that does not shunt surges as well was designed by an idiot.

A UPS is temporary and 'dirty' power during a blackout to protect
unsaved data. Blackouts do not harm appliances.

Surges do hardware damage in microseconds. A UPS typically takes 10
milliseconds to respond. A UPS is too slow to protect hardware.

If the power is interrupted at all, then you don't have a UPS. You
have a battery backup unit. That's what the "U" is -- "Uninterruptible."

Each device is for a different anomaly. Even a UPS needs protection
provided by a properly earthed 'whole house' solution. That solution
means nobody even knows if a surge existed. Again, this 'whole house'
solution is strongly recommended in rural venues.




--
westom


--
|Drew Lawson | Of all the things I've lost |
| | I miss my mind the most |

Some UPSes have tiny (near zero) protector parts so that naïve consumers will recommend it as a protector. Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules. An adjacent protector can only block or absorb that surge. How does its (near zero) hundreds of joules absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? It doesn't. But at hundreds of joules, it can hype 100% surge protection in color glossy brochures for consumers who ignore numbers.

Surges must be earthed (shunted) before entering the building. A surge shunted at the appliance simply shunts that surge into the appliance. A completely different device, also called a surge protector, does protection from surges because it is at the service entrance.

A typical UPS provides temporary and 'dirty' power during blackouts. It also does nothing to 'clean' AC power. Therefore it costs much less money - compared to another device also called a UPS that is located at the service entrance.


Has this growing season started late due to cold?

Terry Coombs wrote:
songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

bok choy would be nice,
but i'll have to get seeds. haven't seen them around
in the racks yet. i would like to get both cilantro
and large leafed parsley going too.

Ping me offline with a mailing address, my reply-to is good . I'll send
you some bok choy seeds . Would you like some Zucchini , okra , pumpkin ,
acorn squash , or Kentucky Wonder pole beans too ? I'm a compulsive seed
saver . may have other stuff you'd like , just ask !

thanks Terry, if i have a problem sourcing them
locally i'll let you know. ATM i don't need any
other seeds besides the bok choy. like you, i'm
a seed saver too if i get a chance. i have a lot
of old seeds for wildflowers i need to put around
to use them up and perhaps some will still be
viable... no more climbers for bean seeds, i don't
have the fence space for them... too many bean
varieties already. funny, but Ma said that she
liked a batch of beans i made a few weeks ago that
included the dry edamame soybeans (which to me are
fairly flavorless like any other soybean). i made
a small pot of lima beans this morning.


I have my tomatoes all in the ground now , and have pumpkins , acorn
squash and green beans coming up . Strawberries are going nuts ,
garlic and last years green onions doing well .

what type of green onions do you have going?

These are a bunching onion bought at the local farm supply co-op by the
pound . Very good onions for salads and cooking . The ones I'm harvesting
now were planted last year .

ah, thanks, don't see those around here, but
perhaps i just don't look in the right places yet.


hope your strawberries do well, they are such a
treat. my sister called the other day because she
was so happy to have found a jar in the back of her
freezer from last summer.


I put these berries in last spring and pinched the blossoms . My 14
original plants are now about 10x that , and they're loaded with blossoms
and developing fruit .

yeah, they do that. i love 'em and could eat
them every day if they'd stay in season all year. i'm
going to continue expanding their patches here as the
older patches now need to be renovated or recycled into
some other planting. if anything when they get too
thick the ones i don't transplant work ok as organic
material to be buried. the worms aren't too fussy...


The spinach , lettuce , and bok choy are
growing , but something is nibbling on the bok choy . Grasshoppers ,
I think - can't decide whether BT or DE is the proper choice for
control . I'm still looking for signs of growth from the cucumbers
... I have some peppers in the hotbox , plan to wait a couple more
weeks for warmer weather to put them in the garden .

i keep counting the days... indoor chores
will keep me as busy as i want to be until then.

My main indoor chore is doing all the cooking here since she works . I
have plenty to keep me busy outdoors though , no matter what season .

the weather is nice enough this afternoon i'll get
outside for a while. the catbirds are back at last -
they are good company for gardening, always make me
smile and laugh at their calls.


songbird

In article
westom writes:

Surges must be earthed (shunted) before entering the building. A surge
shunted at the appliance simply shunts that surge into the appliance.

Your UK wiring must be even more odd than I could have expected.
Surges are diverted to the separate grounding path in the house
wiring.

A completely different device, also called a surge protector, does
protection from surges because it is at the service entrance.

Surge protectors can be anywhere that has a ground connection. For
any NEC compliant wiring in the US, that is just about anywhere.

A typical UPS provides temporary and 'dirty' power during blackouts.

You like to repeat that alot. It does not make it true.

Maybe UK UPSs deliver dirty power. I suppose it is a fitting
substitute for leaking oil.


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| and kick its little ass