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we're not seeing too many here but while i
was looking at the website for harvesting and
curing tips they mentioned putting out yellow
dishes with water in them to capture them.

no idea how well it actually works, but i'd
be interested in hearing how it goes from
anyone who does try it.


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On 9/16/2016 10:23 AM, songbird wrote:
we're not seeing too many here but while i
was looking at the website for harvesting and
curing tips they mentioned putting out yellow
dishes with water in them to capture them.

no idea how well it actually works, but i'd
be interested in hearing how it goes from
anyone who does try it.


songbird

We are inundated with squash bugs every summer. I will try the yellow
dishes with water. May have to buy some yellow dishes though, maybe I
can find some cheap plastic ones.

In our 57 years of marriage we have a service for 12 of the good china,
plus some cheaper stuff for every day and then there are the remnants of
at least three other sets of dishware.

Our family motto is: keep it clean, wear it out, turn it into something
useful, then dump it when it is totally no good. With a large family
things get broken regularly.

We just gave the church pantry about two dozen Japanese eggplant, a bag
of small peppers, and the last of the kale. It's about time to plant the
winter garden, temps got down to the low seventies last night. Winter
might be coming our way instead of another summer like last winter.
Screwy weather, must be all the volcanoes blowing around the world.
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On 09/16/2016 08:23 AM, songbird wrote:
we're not seeing too many here but while i
was looking at the website for harvesting and
curing tips they mentioned putting out yellow
dishes with water in them to capture them.

no idea how well it actually works, but i'd
be interested in hearing how it goes from
anyone who does try it.


songbird


Hi Songbird,

I was "told" to get a metal cookie pan and pour
oil in in and leave it out overnight. In the
morning to clean out the squash bugs and earwigs
that drowned in it. Have not tested it.

I just hunt the buggers down. They do not like
water, so I stick my watering wand right down on the
stems. The come wondering out. Then I stray them
with chrysanthemum (pyrethrin) spray. You have to get
under the bellies as they are a beetle and
their backs are armor plated. They move pretty slow.

I also check under the leaves for eggs. Smash them
with my fingers.

I can't keep up with the earwigs, but their numbers
are down by about 90%.

Death to squash bugs; death to earwigs!

-T

Any idea why the suggestion of "yellow"?
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oil in in

in it


Then I stray them


spray
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On 09/16/2016 02:38 PM, T wrote:
On 09/16/2016 02:33 PM, T wrote:

oil in in

in it


Then I stray them


spray


Why is it typos only show up AFTER I press send?
I think it is the universe making sure a little
humility ...

:'(


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Derald wrote:
songbird wrote:

we're not seeing too many here but while i
was looking at the website for harvesting and
curing tips they mentioned putting out yellow
dishes with water in them to capture them.

no idea how well it actually works, but i'd
be interested in hearing how it goes from
anyone who does try it.


No-o-o-o-o! Any of the target species caught in the containers are
likely to be outnumbered by dead specimens of harmless or even
"beneficial" insects that reflexively (tick tock: organic clockwork)
flew into a brightly-colored potential food source.


for someone facing a large infestation (a friend said
he had one pumpkin with hundreds of nymphs on it) it may
help for a short span and then see. i would always
advise people to monitor the situation and see if it is
doing more harm than helping.


Lures and traps
work because a huge percentage of flying insects react positively to
bright colors, yellow, white and magenta being among the most common of
flowers. Brightly colored containers of liquid in or near the garden
are almost guaranteed to more "innocent bystander" flying insects to
their deaths than it ever will of the target species. I routinely keep
bowls of water in garden beds for the use of animals and early on
discovered the danger brightly colored containers pose to insects. For
my purposes (attracting pollinators and insectivores), water white ("no
color") or stainless steel colored bowls work best for providing water
without luring nectar or pollen gathering insects. Although wasps and
bees routinely land on the surface of the water in those containers, I
_rarely_ find a dead insect in one.
Realistically, I know of no way to eliminate squash bugs and shield
bugs, especially as the end of summer approaches. OTOH, a gardener may
easily convince himself that he's managing them by learning their habits
in order to determine when they're most vulnerable in the garden and by
being at the proper places and times with traps and instruments of death
(yogurt cup containing water and a bit of liquid detergent). A simple
board or piece of cardboard on the ground in the garden is an effective
overnight trap and allows the operator some latitude in deciding what to
kill, while the early morning hours (early every morning, not just some)
when adults and nymphs on the plants are relatively docile is the best
time to flick them from the plants into the instruments of death. Dunno
about squash bugs specifically but many shield bugs and their nymphs
simply release and fall to the ground when disturbed early in the day,
making them easy to catch in the yogurt cup.

http://insects.about.com/od/insectpe...Squash-Bug.htm

http://articles.extension.org/pages/...arming-systems

http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74144.html

Remember, though, that the processes described primarily serve to make
gardeners and farmers _feel_ that they're controlling the beasts.


i know. nature goes in cycles... i haven't ever bothered
to trap squash bugs or many other creatures. it is Ma who
freaks out and "Must Do Something[tm]!". but so far we've
just cut around any damage to the fruits and ate them anyways.

will be soon we'll have to pick/cure them for storage.


Relatively inexpensive biological controls exist but the life cycle and
mobility of the insects reduces their effectiveness considerably. I
suspect the only solution is to finish paving the planet.


heh, well i'm sure there are a lot of people who do feel
this way.

i'm more the other direction. the place i currently live
has so much rock/crushed limestone that it seems very sterile
to me. if i stay longer term i'll probably take a lot of
this out... ah well, we'll see.


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T wrote:
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I just hunt the buggers down. They do not like
water, so I stick my watering wand right down on the
stems. The come wondering out. Then I stray them
with chrysanthemum (pyrethrin) spray. You have to get
under the bellies as they are a beetle and
their backs are armor plated. They move pretty slow.

I also check under the leaves for eggs. Smash them
with my fingers.


yeah, if you can do it that ways at least then
you aren't having to use any sprays.


I can't keep up with the earwigs, but their numbers
are down by about 90%.





Death to squash bugs; death to earwigs!

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Any idea why the suggestion of "yellow"?


i would guess it might be the color of a
squash or something they like, do you ever
see them in the flowers? i really never
look at the plants that often or see the
bugs to notice. just bees around them and
the flowers.


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We are inundated with squash bugs every summer. I will try the yellow
dishes with water. May have to buy some yellow dishes though, maybe I
can find some cheap plastic ones.


someone mentioned they need about a month of below
freezing weather to take them out. which may explain
why we don't see huge numbers of them here. some hide
away for the winter...


In our 57 years of marriage we have a service for 12 of the good china,
plus some cheaper stuff for every day and then there are the remnants of
at least three other sets of dishware.

Our family motto is: keep it clean, wear it out, turn it into something
useful, then dump it when it is totally no good. With a large family
things get broken regularly.


we get cheap glass plates and glasses because Ma
likes to break one once in a while. so when she
finds some at the bigbox store we get a few sets so
she is supplied for a few years...


We just gave the church pantry about two dozen Japanese eggplant, a bag
of small peppers, and the last of the kale. It's about time to plant the
winter garden, temps got down to the low seventies last night. Winter
might be coming our way instead of another summer like last winter.
Screwy weather, must be all the volcanoes blowing around the world.


in the longer scheme of things, it's just weather
and temporary. i'm hoping we figure out how to do a
better job of managing things though because the
future will be grim otherwise if we can't figure out
a closed system ecology to be sustainable for us...


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On 09/17/2016 03:09 PM, songbird wrote:
Any idea why the suggestion of "yellow"?


i would guess it might be the color of a
squash or something they like, do you ever
see them in the flowers? i really never
look at the plants that often or see the
bugs to notice. just bees around them and
the flowers.


songbird


Hi Songbird,

Earwigs come out at night. And they do like yellow flowers.
Although I don't know what colors any bug can see in the dark.

Little Squash bugs like under the leaves and underneath the
fruit. They don't seem to bite the fruit. The big ones like
down by the stalk of the plant.

The reason why I asked about the yellow is that flies and certain
other bugs can not see red or yellow. (Bees sure can!) This
is why the yellow "bug lights". Red would work even better, but
the neighbors might misinterpret its meaning and cause a
scandal.

Death to squash bugs; death to earwigs!
-T

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On 09/17/2016 11:21 AM, songbird wrote:
but so far we've
just cut around any damage to the fruits and ate them anyways.


Funny. Since we must eat organic for most produce, it is always
reassuring when you find a bug that they produce is actually organic
and the seller is not lying to you. Well after the EEEEEWWWW factor
wears off.


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On 09/17/2016 11:21 AM, songbird wrote:
Remember, though, that the processes described primarily serve to make
gardeners and farmers _feel_ that they're controlling the beasts.


i know. nature goes in cycles... i haven't ever bothered
to trap squash bugs or many other creatures.


Hi Songbird,

Actually, nature is not really doing its thing here. In hybridizing
plants for better food production, we have create plants that
would not make it five minutes in nature.

And nature has noticed. She has come up with designer bugs
that specialize in attacking our specialized designer plants.
These bugs would not last 5 minutes in nature either.

These plants have also created slaves out of us. For a bribe
of food, we smother them with food, water, and protection. Most
of them could not survive on their own, especially since we
have bread out their thorns and their toxins, among other
things.

Death to squash bugs; death to earwigs!
-T



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