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Hi All,

This year I successfully grew (ya, me huh!) both
Red Holland and Grey Griselle Shallot.

Red Holland:
several bulbs the size of a golf ball
scapes (yummy!)
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone

Grey Griselle:
lots of little tiny bulbs the size of garlic cloves
sinks that can only be characterizes as "bark".
You have to "saw" through hem.
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone
no scapes :'(

EXTREMELY STRONG. Can only be used in cooking.
A "sliver" will cause severe pain in your sinuses and
make your stomach lurch so hard you will almost puke.

Lessons learned:
they like to be watered like any other plant.
They like acid soil. The bulbs with more peat moss
around them grew bigger.

My conclusion is that both of these are a pain in the ass
to grow for the small amount of food they produce. And
Both the wife and I like Yellow Onions better. So next
year it is yellow onions instead!

I have my eye on "Senshu Yellow" yellow onions. They over winter
and like zones 5 and 6 (I am 6c). Plus they give a half
pound bulb.
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replying to T, Iggy wrote:
Great review and very useful growing tips! However, I'm the opposition. I
never understood the use of onions nor any of their cousins in anything and
only found them overpowering and extremely detracting. I took them out of
everything to find all was improved with ingredient flavors now being
noticeably robust and enjoyed.

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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 12:29:26 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
Hi All,

This year I successfully grew (ya, me huh!) both
Red Holland and Grey Griselle Shallot.

Red Holland:
several bulbs the size of a golf ball
scapes (yummy!)
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone

Grey Griselle:
lots of little tiny bulbs the size of garlic cloves
sinks that can only be characterizes as "bark".
You have to "saw" through hem.
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone
no scapes :'(

EXTREMELY STRONG. Can only be used in cooking.
A "sliver" will cause severe pain in your sinuses and
make your stomach lurch so hard you will almost puke.

Lessons learned:
they like to be watered like any other plant.
They like acid soil. The bulbs with more peat moss
around them grew bigger.

My conclusion is that both of these are a pain in the ass
to grow for the small amount of food they produce. And
Both the wife and I like Yellow Onions better. So next
year it is yellow onions instead!

I have my eye on "Senshu Yellow" yellow onions. They over winter
and like zones 5 and 6 (I am 6c). Plus they give a half
pound bulb.


T,

I forwarded your review to my wife, who's the gardener in the family, and she replied,

"Where is he getting his Senshu Yellow stock? I don't know about that variety.
I agree that shallots aren't worth the trouble: I tried growing them for years. The multiplier onions function well as shallots and are a lot easier to grow and more productive."

Paul
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On 10/11/2017 06:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
replying to T, Iggy wrote:
Great review and very useful growing tips! However, I'm the opposition. I
never understood the use of onions nor any of their cousins in anything and
only found them overpowering and extremely detracting. I took them out of
everything to find all was improved with ingredient flavors now being
noticeably robust and enjoyed.


Maybe you are reacting to the sulfur content?

Can you eat broccoli? Some folks react badly to the
sulfur in broccoli and can not stand being around it
because of the smell that most of us can not smell.

Also, I am a Primal drug free diabetic. I can taste
things far better than when I was addicted to the
modern diet of extreme high carbs that injured me in the
first place. (T2 Diabetes is an injury, not a disease.)

So, maybe I react differently to onions than others.
I certainly did not care for then before cleaning up my
diet. And my tastes did change. Before, I thought my loss
of taste was "old age sucks". Now I can taste nuances
I only vaguely remember from my childhood.
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On 10/11/2017 07:56 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 12:29:26 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
Hi All,

This year I successfully grew (ya, me huh!) both
Red Holland and Grey Griselle Shallot.

Red Holland:
several bulbs the size of a golf ball
scapes (yummy!)
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone

Grey Griselle:
lots of little tiny bulbs the size of garlic cloves
sinks that can only be characterizes as "bark".
You have to "saw" through hem.
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone
no scapes :'(

EXTREMELY STRONG. Can only be used in cooking.
A "sliver" will cause severe pain in your sinuses and
make your stomach lurch so hard you will almost puke.

Lessons learned:
they like to be watered like any other plant.
They like acid soil. The bulbs with more peat moss
around them grew bigger.

My conclusion is that both of these are a pain in the ass
to grow for the small amount of food they produce. And
Both the wife and I like Yellow Onions better. So next
year it is yellow onions instead!

I have my eye on "Senshu Yellow" yellow onions. They over winter
and like zones 5 and 6 (I am 6c). Plus they give a half
pound bulb.


T,

I forwarded your review to my wife, who's the gardener in the family, and she replied,

"Where is he getting his Senshu Yellow stock? I don't know about that variety.
I agree that shallots aren't worth the trouble: I tried growing them for years. The multiplier onions function well as shallots and are a lot easier to grow and more productive."

Paul


http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_135-96.html

Where is she getting her multiplier onions?




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Iggy wrote:
replying to T, Iggy wrote:
Great review and very useful growing tips! However, I'm the opposition. I
never understood the use of onions nor any of their cousins in anything and
only found them overpowering and extremely detracting. I took them out of
everything to find all was improved with ingredient flavors now being
noticeably robust and enjoyed.


i love onions and garlic, green forms, raw,
cooked, carmelized, roasted, deep fried, blenderized,
etc.

i am not quite at the stage where i would
eat an onion like an apple, but some of them
that we grow are very mild and could be
eaten that ways.

the garlic i grow is pretty strong. eating
it raw will make your gums and tongue go numb
for a while.

i like green garlic in the spring as the
first crop. since i'm trying to weed it out of
a patch there is always plenty.

different tastes for different people.


songbird
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replying to T, Iggy wrote:
Nope, no problem with broccoli and really no problem with eating onions, I
just think they're horrible. But wow, I'm more your opposite than I thought.
I've been off almost all fruits, vegetables and dairy for this century and
have microwaved everything for even longer, just to prove the Gov't is a liar
and that nutrition has no basis in fact. So far so good, with no difference
ever experienced at any time yet.

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replying to songbird, Iggy wrote:
Garlic yes, onions no. However, that apple onion was one of my favorite
Seinfeld's.

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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 1:20:54 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 10/11/2017 07:56 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 12:29:26 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
Hi All,

This year I successfully grew (ya, me huh!) both
Red Holland and Grey Griselle Shallot.

Red Holland:
several bulbs the size of a golf ball
scapes (yummy!)
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone

Grey Griselle:
lots of little tiny bulbs the size of garlic cloves
sinks that can only be characterizes as "bark".
You have to "saw" through hem.
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone
no scapes :'(

EXTREMELY STRONG. Can only be used in cooking.
A "sliver" will cause severe pain in your sinuses and
make your stomach lurch so hard you will almost puke.

Lessons learned:
they like to be watered like any other plant.
They like acid soil. The bulbs with more peat moss
around them grew bigger.

My conclusion is that both of these are a pain in the ass
to grow for the small amount of food they produce. And
Both the wife and I like Yellow Onions better. So next
year it is yellow onions instead!

I have my eye on "Senshu Yellow" yellow onions. They over winter
and like zones 5 and 6 (I am 6c). Plus they give a half
pound bulb.


T,

I forwarded your review to my wife, who's the gardener in the family, and she replied,

"Where is he getting his Senshu Yellow stock? I don't know about that variety.
I agree that shallots aren't worth the trouble: I tried growing them for years. The multiplier onions function well as shallots and are a lot easier to grow and more productive."

Paul


http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_135-96.html

Where is she getting her multiplier onions?



Territorial Seed Company in Oregon
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On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-4, songbird wrote:
Iggy wrote:
replying to T, Iggy wrote:
Great review and very useful growing tips! However, I'm the opposition. I
never understood the use of onions nor any of their cousins in anything and
only found them overpowering and extremely detracting. I took them out of
everything to find all was improved with ingredient flavors now being
noticeably robust and enjoyed.


i love onions and garlic, green forms, raw,
cooked, carmelized, roasted, deep fried, blenderized,
etc.

i am not quite at the stage where i would
eat an onion like an apple, but some of them
that we grow are very mild and could be
eaten that ways.

the garlic i grow is pretty strong. eating
it raw will make your gums and tongue go numb
for a while.

i like green garlic in the spring as the
first crop. since i'm trying to weed it out of
a patch there is always plenty.

different tastes for different people.


songbird


When I was a kid, back in the early 1950's, the milk would sometimes have an onion flavor in the spring when the cows ate the wild onions sprouting in their pastures.

Paul


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On 10/12/2017 05:33 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
When I was a kid, back in the early 1950's, the milk would sometimes have an onion flavor in the spring when the cows ate the wild onions sprouting in their pastures.

Paul


The deer out here eat a lot of sage brush. Their meat tastes like hell!

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On 10/12/2017 05:31 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 1:20:54 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 10/11/2017 07:56 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 12:29:26 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
Hi All,

This year I successfully grew (ya, me huh!) both
Red Holland and Grey Griselle Shallot.

Red Holland:
several bulbs the size of a golf ball
scapes (yummy!)
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone

Grey Griselle:
lots of little tiny bulbs the size of garlic cloves
sinks that can only be characterizes as "bark".
You have to "saw" through hem.
Taste of a yellow onion with a garlic overtone
no scapes :'(

EXTREMELY STRONG. Can only be used in cooking.
A "sliver" will cause severe pain in your sinuses and
make your stomach lurch so hard you will almost puke.

Lessons learned:
they like to be watered like any other plant.
They like acid soil. The bulbs with more peat moss
around them grew bigger.

My conclusion is that both of these are a pain in the ass
to grow for the small amount of food they produce. And
Both the wife and I like Yellow Onions better. So next
year it is yellow onions instead!

I have my eye on "Senshu Yellow" yellow onions. They over winter
and like zones 5 and 6 (I am 6c). Plus they give a half
pound bulb.

T,

I forwarded your review to my wife, who's the gardener in the family, and she replied,

"Where is he getting his Senshu Yellow stock? I don't know about that variety.
I agree that shallots aren't worth the trouble: I tried growing them for years. The multiplier onions function well as shallots and are a lot easier to grow and more productive."

Paul


http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_135-96.html

Where is she getting her multiplier onions?



Territorial Seed Company in Oregon


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On 10/12/2017 9:06 AM, T wrote:
On 10/12/2017 05:33 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
When I was a kid, back in the early 1950's, the milk would sometimes
have an onion flavor in the spring when the cows ate the wild onions
sprouting in their pastures.

Paul


The deer out here eat a lot of sage brush.Â* Their meat tastes like hell!

Just think of it as Thanksgiving sage and eat it. G
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On 10/12/2017 07:59 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/12/2017 9:06 AM, T wrote:
On 10/12/2017 05:33 AM, Pavel314 wrote:
When I was a kid, back in the early 1950's, the milk would sometimes
have an onion flavor in the spring when the cows ate the wild onions
sprouting in their pastures.

Paul


The deer out here eat a lot of sage brush.Â* Their meat tastes like hell!

Just think of it as Thanksgiving sage and eat it. G



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