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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
On 3/20/2019 7:47 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, Of some mind interest: the Environmental Working Group's 2019 top dozen pesticide contaminated vegi's: Kale rejoins the 'Dirty Dozen' list as one of the most contaminated with pesticides: https://www.foxbusiness.com/personal...ith-pesticides 1.Â* STRAWBERRIES 2.Â* SPINACH 3.Â* KALE 4.Â* NECTARINES 5.Â* APPLES 6.Â* GRAPES 7.Â* PEACHES 8.Â* CHERRIES 9.Â* PEARS 10. TOMATOES 11. CELERY 12. POTATOES Is kale actually edible, even without the pesticides? :-) -T I wonder about pronouncements from this activist group. This is first opinion of what others think: https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/05/25...orly-you-11323 As a long retired chemist I am amazed at improvements in analytic chemistry to now find materials down to parts per trillion. Also as a chemist I know that toxicity is dose related and presence of a contaminant does not necessarily mean it can harm you. As for kale, I knew nothing about it but noted today it was part of a store mixed salad I had for lunch. By itself it would not be a good salad but the mix was very tasty. I read that kale is loaded with vitamins but when I was on Coumadin I would have avoided it for high vitamin K content. |
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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
I wonder about pronouncements from this activist group.Â* This is first opinion of what others think: https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/05/25...orly-you-11323 As a long retired chemist I am amazed at improvements in analytic chemistry to now find materials down to parts per trillion.Â* Also as a chemist I know that toxicity is dose related and presence of a contaminant does not necessarily mean it can harm you. It can cut both ways; employed scientists are by definition in service of the establishment; there are many historical examples of scientists both parroting the message of their masters and self-censoring so as to not rock the boat, appear too radical and thus jeopardize their career prospects. Lastly, there is definitely a degree of arrogance in many of the Sciences when it comes to what they think they know. In other words, scientists are only human. Upton Sinclair made a solid observation of this bias: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.†|
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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
On 3/21/19 9:19 AM, Frank wrote:
As a long retired chemist I am amazed at improvements in analytic As for kale, I knew nothing about it but noted today it was part of a store mixed salad I had for lunch.Â* By itself it would not be a good salad but the mix was very tasty.Â* I read that kale is loaded with vitamins but when I was on Coumadin I would have avoided it for high vitaminÂ*KÂ*content. To me, Kale tastes like penicillin flavored oak leaves. YUK! It is indeed loaded with vitamins and stuff, but leaf lettuce is 1/2 as much and I eat 4 times as much, so ... Off Topic: Retired Chemist. I have to sit in other peoples chairs to work on their computers. As a result, my cloths get coated in perfume, with give my wife scary asthma. We use to be able to get perfume out by soaking it in vinegar. But, now Tide and Dawn have come up with perfumes that deliberately are meant to NOT wash out and to persist for over a month. Here are some of them: https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3218066A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US5840668A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US5670466 Whilst we all wait for the massive class action suit to stop this practice, do you know how to remove these toxins? Vinegar, baking soda, washing soda, sodium percarbonate (h2o2, Oxi), borate do not work. Enviro Cleanse sort of kind of works, but not really. |
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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
On 3/21/19 9:19 AM, Frank wrote:
I wonder about pronouncements from this activist group.Â* This is first opinionÂ*ofÂ*whatÂ*othersÂ*think: For those with chemical sensitivities, the EWG is a source of information not available elsewhere. |
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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
On 3/21/19 10:30 AM, jeff wrote:
Upton Sinclair made a solid observation of this bias: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.†Well stated. Most studies now a days are pay for results. When you read them, you go to the funding source first. I remember a while back when a study showed an increased survival rate for bypass patients when using foliates and B vitamins. Then a year or so later, another study came out that debunked it. Upon peer review of the second study, it transpired that they used 1/20th the effective dose of B vitamins. Hmmmmmm ... |
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EWG's 2019 Dirty Dozen list
On 3/21/2019 1:30 PM, jeff wrote:
I wonder about pronouncements from this activist group.Â* This is first opinion of what others think: https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/05/25...orly-you-11323 As a long retired chemist I am amazed at improvements in analytic chemistry to now find materials down to parts per trillion.Â* Also as a chemist I know that toxicity is dose related and presence of a contaminant does not necessarily mean it can harm you. It can cut both ways; employed scientists are by definition in service of the establishment; there are many historical examples of scientists both parroting the message of their masters and self-censoring so as to not rock the boat, appear too radical and thus jeopardize their career prospects. Lastly, there is definitely a degree of arrogance in many of the Sciences when it comes to what they think they know. In other words, scientists are only human. Upton Sinclair made a solid observation of this bias: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.†Very true. Scientists are not immune to these things. |
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