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Moby Grape Tomato
These have been my go-to salad tomato for the past five years. I plant them in three oak half barrels in my yard every spring and have tomatoes until mid-fall. I’ve always gotten the plants, not started from seed, but haven’t been able to find them yet this year. They are prolific producers and pack a lot of flavor in a tiny tomato. I love them! Good for skewering as well. I’m in Jacksonville, FL and am beginning to worry. If anyone knows where I can get Moby Grape plants please let me know. They’re great!
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Moby Grape Tomato
T wrote:
.... Just out of curiosity, what are their time to maturity? I have to have 70 days or less that sounds wrong. you get frosts in the middle of August? i think in the past you've said you are in about the same zone as i am. ? a normal season for us is about 100-110 days. aka we plant our warm weather crops like tomatoes towards the end of May and they run until the frost gets them either in late September or by the middle of October if we get a break. this past winter has been kinda wimpy, but it isn't over yet either. :) songbird |
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On 2020-03-15 05:12, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... Just out of curiosity, what are their time to maturity? I have to have 70 days or less that sounds wrong. you get frosts in the middle of August? i think in the past you've said you are in about the same zone as i am. ? a normal season for us is about 100-110 days. aka we plant our warm weather crops like tomatoes towards the end of May and they run until the frost gets them either in late September or by the middle of October if we get a break. this past winter has been kinda wimpy, but it isn't over yet either. :) songbird Zone 6b I really only have about 60 days. We plant end of May and frost gets up early October. Still raining and snowing today. |
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T wrote:
.... Zone 6b I really only have about 60 days. We plant end of May and frost gets up early October. uh, that's really bad at math... Still raining and snowing today. good for that area to get plenty of moisture. :) it's been too dry for quite a while. songbird |
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On 2020-03-15 16:51, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... Zone 6b I really only have about 60 days. We plant end of May and frost gets up early October. uh, that's really bad at math... No fooling. If you plant before the end of the first week in June, you risk a freeze. I take the risk and plant last week in May. Only been nailed once. And sometimes we get a freeze as early as the first week in September. So you really want everything to come to fruition in 60 days. And it it gets too hat in the summer, you risk things bolting. How farmers, whose livelyhood depends on it, put up with the crap, is beyond me. It must be a calling. Maybe it is the feels of a good soil in your hands. Still raining and snowing today. good for that area to get plenty of moisture. :) it's been too dry for quite a while. Our dirt is very water resistant. So a snow melting snow is ideal as it will actually soak in. A quick rain just mostly runs off songbird |
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T wrote:
songbird wrote: .... uh, that's really bad at math... No fooling. If you plant before the end of the first week in June, you risk a freeze. I take the risk and plant last week in May. Only been nailed once. And sometimes we get a freeze as early as the first week in September. that's still three months not two! June, July, August... So you really want everything to come to fruition in 60 days. And it it gets too hat in the summer, you risk things bolting. that's a different issue. cool weather crops v.s. those that don't mind some heat. How farmers, whose livelyhood depends on it, put up with the crap, is beyond me. It must be a calling. Maybe it is the feels of a good soil in your hands. last year all around us all these acres of fields were planted but they did not get a harvest. it was too much rain and most of them didn't even get into the fields to plant until too late. yes, they could have planted other crops but they didn't. in contrast we had a pretty good season even with all the rains, diversity in planting and adapting to conditions makes a huge difference. when people complain that organic farming can't produce enough food to feed a lot of people i know as a fact that those claims are BS. most farmers i know are older and not owners of the land they abuse. a few are marginally better than others but still often abusive. around here a lot of fields that used to be prime topsoil are now subsoil grade and poorly drained because they have abused them so much. when you kill off the worms and other soil community and don't plant cover crops or use reasonable rotations that is what happens. topsoil blows away or washes away or is degraded by the abuse of fertilizers and too much plowing/disturbances. you gotta work with a place to know it and not just abuse it. ok, rant over. :) it was pretty nice out yesterday, today might be about the same. we'll see. frost last night. songbird |
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On 2020-03-16 06:27, songbird wrote:
T wrote: songbird wrote: ... uh, that's really bad at math... No fooling. If you plant before the end of the first week in June, you risk a freeze. I take the risk and plant last week in May. Only been nailed once. And sometimes we get a freeze as early as the first week in September. that's still three months not two! June, July, August... Exactly. That leave only one month for fruit bearing. So you really want everything to come to fruition in 60 days. And it it gets too hat in the summer, you risk things bolting. that's a different issue. cool weather crops v.s. those that don't mind some heat. How farmers, whose livelyhood depends on it, put up with the crap, is beyond me. It must be a calling. Maybe it is the feels of a good soil in your hands. last year all around us all these acres of fields were planted but they did not get a harvest. it was too much rain and most of them didn't even get into the fields to plant until too late. yes, they could have planted other crops but they didn't. in contrast we had a pretty good season even with all the rains, diversity in planting and adapting to conditions makes a huge difference. when people complain that organic farming can't produce enough food to feed a lot of people i know as a fact that those claims are BS. I hear that nonsense all the time too. Yields from organic farms are a lot higher. One study I saw years ago, a full circle farm was getting $1,400 per acre whist his conventional neighbors were getting $400 per acre. In The People Republic of California, virtually all the wine grapes are now organically grown as the yields are higher and, get this, every section of their farms are producing consistent quality. No more of this the north end is sweet and the south end is sour. And the difference i taste between full circle produce and meat is striking. A guy around here that grows full circle turkeys is bough out FIVE YEAR in advance! most farmers i know are older and not owners of the land they abuse. a few are marginally better than others but still often abusive. around here a lot of fields that used to be prime topsoil are now subsoil grade and poorly drained because they have abused them so much. when you kill off the worms and other soil community and don't plant cover crops or use reasonable rotations that is what happens. topsoil blows away or washes away or is degraded by the abuse of fertilizers and too much plowing/disturbances. you gotta work with a place to know it and not just abuse it. ok, rant over. :) No problem. You are ranting to the choir. Full circle farming is growing the soil. On the bright side, those abused lands should go for cheap to full circle farmers so they can heal the land and make it productive again. And bring back family farming. And get away from the bottom line on NEXT MONTHS spreadsheet and look at the bottom line of a historical spreadsheet. it was pretty nice out yesterday, today might be about the same. we'll see. frost last night. songbird It is still snowing off and on. Melts pretty quickly. Hopefully we will get a good 1/2 inch of water out of all this and my favorite fishing hole won't dry up again -T |
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T wrote:
songbird wrote: .... that's still three months not two! June, July, August... Exactly. That leave only one month for fruit bearing. that's not been a problem here. tomatoes we plant at the end of May will be started on picking by mid to late August, the next few weeks are busy. sometimes we have green fruits left when the frosts come but that is ok as they ripen inside sitting on a table. a few might rot, but enough are still good. 90-110 days is plenty for about everything i grow with the exception of new varieties that i don't know about yet. .... in contrast we had a pretty good season even with all the rains, diversity in planting and adapting to conditions makes a huge difference. when people complain that organic farming can't produce enough food to feed a lot of people i know as a fact that those claims are BS. I hear that nonsense all the time too. Yields from organic farms are a lot higher. One study I saw years ago, a full circle farm was getting $1,400 per acre whist his conventional neighbors were getting $400 per acre. In The People Republic of California, virtually all the wine grapes are now organically grown as the yields are higher and, get this, every section of their farms are producing consistent quality. No more of this the north end is sweet and the south end is sour. And the difference i taste between full circle produce and meat is striking. A guy around here that grows full circle turkeys is bough out FIVE YEAR in advance! probably what you are calling full circle is what i would consider permaculture - there's a lot of different names for some similar techniques. good thing it doesn't matter what we call them as long as they work. most farmers i know are older and not owners of the land they abuse. a few are marginally better than others but still often abusive. around here a lot of fields that used to be prime topsoil are now subsoil grade and poorly drained because they have abused them so much. when you kill off the worms and other soil community and don't plant cover crops or use reasonable rotations that is what happens. topsoil blows away or washes away or is degraded by the abuse of fertilizers and too much plowing/disturbances. you gotta work with a place to know it and not just abuse it. ok, rant over. :) No problem. You are ranting to the choir. Full circle farming is growing the soil. On the bright side, those abused lands should go for cheap to full circle farmers so they can heal the land and make it productive again. And bring back family farming. it would be nice, but as long as they have lime and synthetic fertilizers they're not going to be stopping what they're doing. And get away from the bottom line on NEXT MONTHS spreadsheet and look at the bottom line of a historical spreadsheet. also would be nice, but our system is not geared towards that either. it's all high-expense and high- turnover type crops. corn and soybeans are the two main things you see farmed around us. winter wheat or winter rye once in a while, sugar beets here or there. rare to see any kind of cover crops which i consider a near criminal negligence as all that energy the sun is putting on the soil is being wasted when you could be harvesting it, generating more biomass, improving your topsoil and protecting it from the wind and the rain. it was pretty nice out yesterday, today might be about the same. we'll see. frost last night. It is still snowing off and on. Melts pretty quickly. Hopefully we will get a good 1/2 inch of water out of all this and my favorite fishing hole won't dry up again there are very few places i'd fish around here and eat anything i caught. up north is where the better fishing is at. songbird |
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On 2020-03-16 13:41, songbird wrote:
Exactly. That leave only one month for fruit bearing. that's not been a problem here. tomatoes we plant at the end of May will be started on picking by mid to late August, the next few weeks are busy. sometimes we have green fruits left when the frosts come but that is ok as they ripen inside sitting on a table. a few might rot, but enough are still good. 90-110 days is plenty for about everything i grow with the exception of new varieties that i don't know about yet. The growing season is so short around here it is very frustrating. Last year I had two yellow something or other cherry tomatoes that where suppose to mature in 70 days. They had tons of fruit on them, but they did not ripen until two days before the first freeze. I must have lost over 300 cherries. Now I will only grow the sweet 100's are they mature and ripen really quickly really |
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On 2020-03-16 13:41, songbird wrote:
And the difference i taste between full circle produce and meat is striking. A guy around here that grows full circle turkeys is bough out FIVE YEAR in advance! probably what you are calling full circle is what i would consider permaculture - there's a lot of different names for some similar techniques. good thing it doesn't matter what we call them as long as they work. Permaculture sounds like the consept. I tried to look up Full Circle for yo but there are so many businesses/farms that use the name, I could not find a reference Basically is the way you treat the land and rotate animals through it. You are basically growing grass. 1) grow grass and rest the rest for a year 2) cowes eat the grass and poop 3) sheep/goats finish off the grass and poop 4) turkeys eat the bugs/paracites in the poop and don't catch the parasites that chickens do and they poop 5) run chickens after the turkeys do their thing and poop 6) ducks are in there somewhere, but I forgot where and poop 7) plow the poop under and grow vegitables 8) grow grass and rest the land for a years, which completes the full circle The idea is to a lot of plots in different stages. And to realize that the plants depend on the animals and the animals depend on the plants. |
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On 2020-03-16 13:41, songbird wrote:
On the bright side, those abused lands should go for cheap to full circle farmers so they can heal the land and make it productive again. And bring back family farming. it would be nice, but as long as they have lime and synthetic fertilizers they're not going to be stopping what they're doing. It will catch up to them when nothing will finally grow there And get away from the bottom line on NEXT MONTHS spreadsheet and look at the bottom line of a historical spreadsheet. also would be nice, but our system is not geared towards that either. it's all high-expense and high- turnover type crops. corn and soybeans are the two main things you see farmed around us. winter wheat or winter rye once in a while, sugar beets here or there. rare to see any kind of cover crops which i consider a near criminal negligence as all that energy the sun is putting on the soil is being wasted when you could be harvesting it, generating more biomass, improving your topsoil and protecting it from the wind and the rain. Corn, soybeans, wheat, rye, sugar beets are all not part of a "human appropriate" diet. It is not what human DNA is programmed to process and not what humans have consumed for the last 250,000 years. So now it is catching up to us and we have heart disease, Type 2 diabetes (I am a victim of such), type 3 diabetes (Alzheimer), obesity, etc.. It does not help that our agriculture department is up for sale. Grains did not even belong on the food pyramid. Our ancestors did not eat grains. Or franken fruit for that matter. |
Moby Grape Tomato
Pase seed company has them.
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