Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:43:06 -0400, Allan Matthews
wrote:

Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

Oh, ugh. How awful!

Pat
--
"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry

"Allan Matthews" wrote in message
...
Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

And, most people don't think you can get good quality meat out of a
vegatable garden. We live in a city, so our biggest pest is squirrels,
slower but damage still gets done. Ciao

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:11:13 -0400, Pat Meadows
wrote:

"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy."

Until the food runs out. Then it's every man for himself.

Dan

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:51:59 -0400, "len"
wrote:


"Allan Matthews" wrote in message
.. .
Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

And, most people don't think you can get good quality meat out of a
vegatable garden. We live in a city, so our biggest pest is squirrels,
slower but damage still gets done. Ciao

Sorry folks, I do not have bad feelings about shooting the beautiful
deer. I have seen hundreds of them starve to death in winter, because
of the over population of them. Every years there are many many
thousands killed on the highways of New York state. I know many
people who felt it was terrible to kill a deer until they had their
first deer caused auto accident that cost them thousands of
dollars.Every year at least one deer winds up dead in my front yard,
due to a car hitting it. Not a pretty sight.

In article ,
Allan Matthews wrote:

Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.


Deer here (Missouri 5b) are a constant problem and have done hundreds of
dollars of damage to our property. We use the Contech scarecrows to
keep them away in the summer. They still sneak in now and then,
especially if we forget to turn the Scarecrows back on. Last winter,
they ate my mature yews so bad that several did not survive the
enslaught. Neighbors feed them which is totally stupid. Unafraid of
humans, they are in the yards constantly, grazing. Today I counted six
near the lower garden, just itching to eat some more of my raspberry
bushes. They have even come into our garage.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:32:57 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:

Neighbors feed them which is totally stupid. Unafraid of
humans, they are in the yards constantly, grazing. Today I counted six
near the lower garden, just itching to eat some more of my raspberry
bushes. They have even come into our garage.

Our garden is *inside* our dogs' fenced area. Even though
the dogs sleep in the house at night, so far this has kept
the deer away. I think it's the dog smell which must
permeate the yard.

I have my fingers crossed that it continues....

I can remember when I lived in northern NJ and had four dogs
(three of them large). The deer would be calmly picking up
fallen apples from the ground, about six feet outside a
chain link fence - inside of which four dogs were barking
hysterically. Brazen deer!

So far, the deer here in rural northcentral PA don't seem to
be made from the same cloth as the brazen NJ deer. So far.

Pat

--
"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry

In article ,
Pat Meadows wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:32:57 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:

Neighbors feed them which is totally stupid. Unafraid of
humans, they are in the yards constantly, grazing. Today I counted six
near the lower garden, just itching to eat some more of my raspberry
bushes. They have even come into our garage.

Our garden is *inside* our dogs' fenced area. Even though
the dogs sleep in the house at night, so far this has kept
the deer away. I think it's the dog smell which must
permeate the yard.

I have my fingers crossed that it continues....

I can remember when I lived in northern NJ and had four dogs
(three of them large). The deer would be calmly picking up
fallen apples from the ground, about six feet outside a
chain link fence - inside of which four dogs were barking
hysterically. Brazen deer!

So far, the deer here in rural northcentral PA don't seem to
be made from the same cloth as the brazen NJ deer. So far.



Never fear, they'll catch on to domesticity soon enough. Here, you
have to have a minimum 6 foot fence (7 is even more reliable) to keep
them out. We could never afford that much fence and it would look like
a prison yard at that height. LOL The dogs here chase them constantly
to no avail. The neighbor's boxer has made it his mission in life to
chase them. When my DH confronted a young buck in the garage, it
screamed in surprise (i did not know deer made any sounds actually) and
then dashed off, running through the upper garden like a charging rhino.
Occasionally, I get out the sling shot and nail one in the hind quarters
just hard enough to sting really bad. That also helps for a day or 2
lol. Black bears are reported in Eastern Missouri for the first time in
like a century so it will be interesting to see what happens.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:34:21 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:


Never fear, they'll catch on to domesticity soon enough.

I hope they continue to be wimpy deer! Otherwise, I
could leave my dogs out at night in summer. I will if I
have to.


Black bears are reported in Eastern Missouri for the first time in
like a century so it will be interesting to see what happens.

We have black bears around here, lots of them.

Two summers ago one broke our neighbor's bird feeder. I
heard loud cracking noises at 4 am, and the next morning the
1" thick metal pipe supporting the bird feeder had been bent
down to the ground, in a U-shape. Nothing but a bear could
possibly have done it.

Last summer, a woman who lives about 1/2 mile from us left
her garage door open (mistake!) while she quickly ran to the
store one afternoon. When she returned, there was a black
bear in her garage. We *never* leave our garage door open!

Pat
--
"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry

1st deer eating in our garden opens "my" deer season !
Red Tail Hawks love finding them on top of a brush pile ,,, :-)
Ed in Ca zone 8-9 :-)

"Allan Matthews" wrote in message
...
Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

In article ,
Pat Meadows wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:34:21 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:


Never fear, they'll catch on to domesticity soon enough.

I hope they continue to be wimpy deer! Otherwise, I
could leave my dogs out at night in summer. I will if I
have to.


Black bears are reported in Eastern Missouri for the first time in
like a century so it will be interesting to see what happens.

We have black bears around here, lots of them.

Two summers ago one broke our neighbor's bird feeder. I
heard loud cracking noises at 4 am, and the next morning the
1" thick metal pipe supporting the bird feeder had been bent
down to the ground, in a U-shape. Nothing but a bear could
possibly have done it.

Last summer, a woman who lives about 1/2 mile from us left
her garage door open (mistake!) while she quickly ran to the
store one afternoon. When she returned, there was a black
bear in her garage. We *never* leave our garage door open!

Pat


OMG now that'll put some curl in your hair. Hmmmm..... I will
definitely keep all that in mind. The latest bear report (that my DH
insists I must have imagined LOL) has them only one county away.

In article ,
"ed" wrote:

"Allan Matthews" wrote in message
...
Returned home today after being away a few days. Deer had eaten all
of the beets, all of the swiss chard, half the beans and the tops from
the carrots. They left the squash and turnips. Revenge will be mine
Nov. 17. (first day of deer season.

1st deer eating in our garden opens "my" deer season !
Red Tail Hawks love finding them on top of a brush pile ,,, :-)
Ed in Ca zone 8-9 :-)


There are so many here, we'd have to call out the militia

We have had such a dry summer that my city has banned putting out garbage
until the morning of p/u day. All garbage that may stink can be stored in
the freezer until said day. Fines are levied for infractions of the law! The
reason being that the bears have so little to eat ( berries dried up on the
bushes or habitats burned out due to immense forest fires) that they are
coming into the city limits to pilfer garbage. When they become habituated
to eating garbage and lose fear of humans, they are extermely dangerous and
have to be killed.What a shame!
--
Jayel,
Baji-Naji
"Pat Meadows" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:34:21 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:


Black bears are reported in Eastern Missouri for the first time in
like a century so it will be interesting to see what happens.

We have black bears around here, lots of them.

Two summers ago one broke our neighbor's bird feeder. I
heard loud cracking noises at 4 am, and the next morning the
1" thick metal pipe supporting the bird feeder had been bent
down to the ground, in a U-shape. Nothing but a bear could
possibly have done it.

Last summer, a woman who lives about 1/2 mile from us left
her garage door open (mistake!) while she quickly ran to the
store one afternoon. When she returned, there was a black
bear in her garage. We *never* leave our garage door open!

Pat
--
"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:40:31 -0400, Pat Meadows
wrote:

Last summer, a woman who lives about 1/2 mile from us left
her garage door open (mistake!) while she quickly ran to the
store one afternoon. When she returned, there was a black
bear in her garage. We *never* leave our garage door open!

Our neighbor did this once. Their 4-year old daughter called me over
the phone, crying hysterically that there was a bear in her garage and
nobody else was home. I had to illegaly shoot the bear in the butt
with a pellet gun because the cops ALWAYS take well over an hour to
respond to bear emergencies (they don't wanna have their names
plastered over the papers and get death threats from the PETA freaks).

BTW, the bear did move out of the garage very quickly once it got a
pellet up the butt. Screaming at it did nothing.

Dan
nw NJ

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:00:41 GMT, "J. Lane"
wrote:

We have had such a dry summer that my city has banned putting out garbage
until the morning of p/u day. All garbage that may stink can be stored in
the freezer until said day. Fines are levied for infractions of the law! The
reason being that the bears have so little to eat ( berries dried up on the
bushes or habitats burned out due to immense forest fires) that they are
coming into the city limits to pilfer garbage. When they become habituated
to eating garbage and lose fear of humans, they are extermely dangerous and
have to be killed.What a shame!

Yes, that is a shame. It's a shame we can't equalize the
rain/dryness too - you've had drought, we've almost drowned
all summer.

We've had an exceedingly wet spring and summer: but I live
in the Appalachian Mountains in a very rural area, and we
have bears around every year - they just normally live here
and they are generally not a problem because most people
here leave them strictly alone.

We have two large dogs who bark so I wouldn't expect ever to
see a bear in our yard - the dogs barking would scare it
off. Nevertheless, we have a shotgun, just in case...

Pat
--
"Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry