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jack showed a true streak of brilliant humor through
message ... Well, eye used spell check on this and I think its fare to say awl is well. Bare in mind, eye think know spell checker corrects every mistake. Many words have duel spellings and or meanings and some times its hard to illicit what won is trying to say. Relying on spell checker could bee you're wurst vise. Sleigh the temptation of laziness. Spell checker may seam a good thing, butt sum day it mite make a fool of ewe. That's funny! But can you keep it going through everything you post? The Ranger |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:05:32 -0500, Steve Calvin wrote: Actually most browsers have a spell checker built in. But really, who cares? If you can figure out what the person means in a world wide forum then that should be good enough. This is my *least* favorite argument for poor communication. We could conceivably manage, probably not in print, with pointing and grunting. OTOH, I regard newsgroup posts as "casual," not requiring rigorous analysis before sending. Neither my typing nor my spelling is error-free, and I don't expect everyone else's to be. If I were composing a letter to editor of a newspaper, I would be *very* careful about spelling, grammar, structure, etc. I would proofread, spell-check, re-arrange, and otherwise edit my snip My point was that people world wide participate in Usenet groups. For a majority of them, english is not their primary language. They are to be commended for making an attempt to communicate for foreign people in a tongue not native to their land. All of this nitpicking over grammar, sentence structure, etc is poppycock and only belongs in a University. If we can figure it out, it's good enough. Or maybe there's a rec.write.only.totally.proper.english group for people with this hangup. |
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jack showed a true streak of brilliant humor through
message ... Well, eye used spell check on this and I think its fare to say awl is well. Bare in mind, eye think know spell checker corrects every mistake. Many words have duel spellings and or meanings and some times its hard to illicit what won is trying to say. Relying on spell checker could bee you're wurst vise. Sleigh the temptation of laziness. Spell checker may seam a good thing, butt sum day it mite make a fool of ewe. That's funny! But can you keep it going through everything you post? The Ranger |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:05:32 -0500, Steve Calvin wrote: Actually most browsers have a spell checker built in. But really, who cares? If you can figure out what the person means in a world wide forum then that should be good enough. This is my *least* favorite argument for poor communication. We could conceivably manage, probably not in print, with pointing and grunting. OTOH, I regard newsgroup posts as "casual," not requiring rigorous analysis before sending. Neither my typing nor my spelling is error-free, and I don't expect everyone else's to be. If I were composing a letter to editor of a newspaper, I would be *very* careful about spelling, grammar, structure, etc. I would proofread, spell-check, re-arrange, and otherwise edit my snip My point was that people world wide participate in Usenet groups. For a majority of them, english is not their primary language. They are to be commended for making an attempt to communicate for foreign people in a tongue not native to their land. All of this nitpicking over grammar, sentence structure, etc is poppycock and only belongs in a University. If we can figure it out, it's good enough. Or maybe there's a rec.write.only.totally.proper.english group for people with this hangup. |
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SNIP Obvious typos never bother me. Creative spelling of plant-related terms might get an, "Oh, do you mean [this]?" (A spell-checker's dictionary is likely lacking in horticultural terms and scientific names.) I should add that I know of very bright people who are spelling-impaired. (There is a medical term for it.) Ah, but can you spell it? :~)) Steve |
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"Loki" wrote in message news:95371384143071929.NC-
SNIP Some of us like to be different :-) -- Cheers, Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ] "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." D. Parker -- Compostman Washington, DC USDA Zone 7 |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:41:00 -0500, Steve Calvin
wrote: Frogleg wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:05:32 -0500, Steve Calvin wrote: Actually most browsers have a spell checker built in. But really, who cares? If you can figure out what the person means in a world wide forum then that should be good enough. This is my *least* favorite argument for poor communication. We could conceivably manage, probably not in print, with pointing and grunting. My point was that people world wide participate in Usenet groups. For a majority of them, english is not their primary language. They are to be commended for making an attempt to communicate for foreign people in a tongue not native to their land. All of this nitpicking over grammar, sentence structure, etc is poppycock and only belongs in a University. Allowances are always made for obvious non-English speakers. There are, of course, newsgroups in many languages other than English, too. "How gro putat?" isn't usually from a non English-speaking poster, but a troll of some sort. As I posted, my own casual correspondence (and posting) is far from error-free. I typed 'desert' for 'dessert' again this week. What one wants to see, I think, is reasonable care. There are very few posts nit-picking about spelling and the like in the normal course of communication. The OP appears to be a nit-picker. This discussion, indeed, belongs in another forum. |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote:
Well Jack, I was just waiting for some wise ass ^^^^^^^^ VERY 'professional', Sherwin. Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native tongue? Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies of its spelling rules is lost on them. -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 02:44:00 up 39 days, 3:26, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.32 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:36:15 +0000, Anne wrote:
I am not aware of any browsers that have a spell check feature and I expect yours doesn't either. Pan (for Linux) does. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 02:49:00 up 39 days, 3:31, 5 users, load average: 0.29, 0.27, 0.30 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 |
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First of all, I wonder about someone who hides behind the name
anonymous. Secondly, I lived abroad for several years studying the language in that country, so I know what it means to try and communicate in your second language. Although I never did it while living abroad, if I wrote a letter to the newspapers, etc., I would have had one of my native friends check my language. Despite all that, I think that many of these postings are coming from English speaking countries and the issue is more that they were probably never properly trained to spell. However, these people do know enough to compose a message and send it to a news group. All they have to do is invoke a spell checker. You can bet if these people are adding up their bills or balancing their checking accounts, they use a calculator to be sure everything is correct, if their arithmetic is on the weak side. Most of the messages on the newsgroups are pretty good about spelling, and an occasional error is not a problem. However, some of the messages I see are atrocious, and makes you wonder how some of these people made it past the second grade. If there weren't these nice tools like spell checkers available, I would say this is something we have to accept, but that is not the case. The sad thing is that most of these spelling offenders are not even aware that they are making these mistakes. Sherwin Dubren Anonymous wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote: Well Jack, I was just waiting for some wise ass ^^^^^^^^ VERY 'professional', Sherwin. Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native tongue? Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies of its spelling rules is lost on them. All the more reason to invoke an automated spelling check. -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 02:44:00 up 39 days, 3:26, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.32 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 |
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Sherwin Dubren top-posted in message
... [snip] The sad thing is that most of these spelling offenders are not even aware that they are making these mistakes. [snip] Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. The Ranger PS: Reset your line-wrap to 66 [characters]; it'll help in delivering your message without having to take extra steps during the editing phase for future posters. |
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"Steve Calvin" wrote in message ... [snip] But really, who cares? Repressed grammarians? Editors in Real Life® and Fantasy? Litterateur? Those that appreciate clarity in thought and verse when presented it as a form of communcation in a newsgroup? If you can figure out what the person means in a world wide forum then that should be good enough. This is a weak arguement used to support terrible habits. For those that don't have English as a second language, there /is/ no excuse (and that's allowing for the differences in English vs. American spellings as well as any localizated terms). Bad spelling, just like poor writing and speaking, are habits that should be avoided and the only way of doing that is breaking them prior posting a message for the world to see. If you can't take the time to reduce the simple errors (and I'm not talking latin spellings or scientific terms that work at tangling tongue and fingers alike), then the message will be viewed as less important than one that is [mostly] error-free by someone that took a few extra seconds to check it. This "extra time" and effort work to distill a rambling thought AND tighten missed or off comments. And written communications could always use more-specific meanings; it's not like vocalization where you have extra hints at what the person is saying. The Ranger ObJalapeños: Both my plants are STILL producing peppers! They're slightly more mild and if I let them grow too large they get woody but they're fine in stews! |
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Not everyone active in this newsgroup has the (spell check) option.
Why keep this ridiculous thread that didn't even belong in this newsgroup going? Seems to me that only the folks that want to use this forum as a chat-room are responding so to not let it die. "Sherwin Dubren" wrote in message ... First of all, I wonder about someone who hides behind the name anonymous. Secondly, I lived abroad for several years studying the language in that country, so I know what it means to try and communicate in your second language. Although I never did it while living abroad, if I wrote a letter to the newspapers, etc., I would have had one of my native friends check my language. Despite all that, I think that many of these postings are coming from English speaking countries and the issue is more that they were probably never properly trained to spell. However, these people do know enough to compose a message and send it to a news group. All they have to do is invoke a spell checker. You can bet if these people are adding up their bills or balancing their checking accounts, they use a calculator to be sure everything is correct, if their arithmetic is on the weak side. Most of the messages on the newsgroups are pretty good about spelling, and an occasional error is not a problem. However, some of the messages I see are atrocious, and makes you wonder how some of these people made it past the second grade. If there weren't these nice tools like spell checkers available, I would say this is something we have to accept, but that is not the case. The sad thing is that most of these spelling offenders are not even aware that they are making these mistakes. Sherwin Dubren Anonymous wrote: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote: Well Jack, I was just waiting for some wise ass ^^^^^^^^ VERY 'professional', Sherwin. Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native tongue? Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies of its spelling rules is lost on them. All the more reason to invoke an automated spelling check. -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 02:44:00 up 39 days, 3:26, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.32 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 |
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The Ranger wrote: ................................... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. ................................... Well, I don't understand that at all. Steve |
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The Ranger wrote: ................................... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. ................................... Well, I don't understand that at all. Steve |
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Steve questioned my statement in message
... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. Well, I don't understand that at all. It's simple enough: those people that do not have English as a second (or greater) language, post messages rife with errors (e.g. 'nad,' 'te,' 'sa,' etc.), purport to leave spelling errors on purpose, think that a message difficult to read is "good enough because 'everyone will get it'," or don't care to take the few extra seconds to check their messages prior to a worldwide distribution so that they present the best possible communication are lazy. They enjoy being considered buffoons but they're not stupid... That minority that will not install -- or use -- a spell-checker are stupid. The Ranger ObEdibleGarden: My dwarf mandarin orange tree is producing fruit like mad after I decided to stop coddling it. Go figure. |
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Steve questioned my statement in message
... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. Well, I don't understand that at all. It's simple enough: those people that do not have English as a second (or greater) language, post messages rife with errors (e.g. 'nad,' 'te,' 'sa,' etc.), purport to leave spelling errors on purpose, think that a message difficult to read is "good enough because 'everyone will get it'," or don't care to take the few extra seconds to check their messages prior to a worldwide distribution so that they present the best possible communication are lazy. They enjoy being considered buffoons but they're not stupid... That minority that will not install -- or use -- a spell-checker are stupid. The Ranger ObEdibleGarden: My dwarf mandarin orange tree is producing fruit like mad after I decided to stop coddling it. Go figure. |
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The Ranger wrote: Steve questioned my statement in message ... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. Well, I don't understand that at all. It's simple enough: those people that do not have English as a second (or greater) language, post messages rife with errors (e.g. 'nad,' 'te,' 'sa,' etc.), purport to leave spelling errors on purpose, think that a message difficult to read is "good enough because 'everyone will get it'," or don't care to take the few extra seconds to check their messages prior to a worldwide distribution so that they present the best possible communication are lazy. They enjoy being considered buffoons but they're not stupid... That minority that will not install -- or use -- a spell-checker are stupid. The Ranger ...................... Well, that wasn't so simple and I still don't see why they are "mutually exclusive". Don't worry about it. We are only prolonging this thread far past what it deserves. Don't feel that you need to reply unless you really want to. Steve |
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The Ranger wrote: Steve questioned my statement in message ... Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive. Well, I don't understand that at all. It's simple enough: those people that do not have English as a second (or greater) language, post messages rife with errors (e.g. 'nad,' 'te,' 'sa,' etc.), purport to leave spelling errors on purpose, think that a message difficult to read is "good enough because 'everyone will get it'," or don't care to take the few extra seconds to check their messages prior to a worldwide distribution so that they present the best possible communication are lazy. They enjoy being considered buffoons but they're not stupid... That minority that will not install -- or use -- a spell-checker are stupid. The Ranger ...................... Well, that wasn't so simple and I still don't see why they are "mutually exclusive". Don't worry about it. We are only prolonging this thread far past what it deserves. Don't feel that you need to reply unless you really want to. Steve |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:23:16 GMT, "ann" wrote:
Not everyone active in this newsgroup has the (spell check) option. Why keep this ridiculous thread that didn't even belong in this newsgroup going? Seems to me that only the folks that want to use this forum as a chat-room are responding so to not let it die. It is obviously of some interest to several/many/a number of people. An unmoderated group frequently wanders off-topic. Is there a moderated group for strictly edible gardening topics? Then someone will filter extraneous posts. Rec.food.cooking is extremely chatty. Rec.food.recipes is moderated and all business -- nothing but recipe requests and answers. Many unmoderated groups *are* a little like chatrooms. How does a discussion of sugar-snap peas evolve into bicycle repair? The same way a group of non-virtual people starts out with a public highway agenda and gets to contemporary jazz. The threads generally die out after a while (unless they're for or against cats), and new topics are usually on-topic. |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote:
[top post moved below where it belongs] jack wrote: On 2/9/2004 12:26 AM, Sherwin Dubren wrote: Hi, I have noticed on this forum, and others as well, that some people have lots of problems with spelling. Sure we can figure out generally what the intent of the message is, but it's still annoying to see so many spelling mistakes. Most browsers have a 'spell-checker', which will quickly identify and correct spelling errors. Maybe some people are not even aware that they are making all these errors, but they can find out real quick if they run a spell check on their next posting. I'm not trying to split hairs, but just want to see the forum be understandable and look more professional. Sherwin D. Well, eye used spell check on this and I think its fare to say awl is well. Bare in mind, eye think know spell checker corrects every mistake. Many words have duel spellings and or meanings and some times its hard to illicit what won is trying to say. Relying on spell checker could bee you're wurst vise. Sleigh the temptation of laziness. Spell checker may seam a good thing, butt sum day it mite make a fool of ewe. --jack [top post moved from above to here] Well Jack, I was just waiting for some wise ass to show how clever they were, and so you didn't disappoint me. By the way, I can't find any setting in Netscape that adjusts the line length. Sherwin D. Please don't top-post. It makes it much harder to follow the conversation, and is considered rude on usenet. Also, I'm serious. Until you can fix the way your lines break, you have absolutely no business criticizing anyone's spelling. It is far more difficult to follow your postings than those with even a large number of misspellings -- particularly phonetic mispellings. If you are too dim-witted or unresourceful to solve the problem with Netscape, then try another news reader. I see lots of posts from Netscape users which are not butchered the way yours are, so I know it is possible to fix the problem. Mac |
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:14:10 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article 0EfWb.277599$na.438903@attbi_s04, says... I had no idea so many people were using off-brand, no-name browsers and newsreaders in this newsgroup! I assumed that since most everyone uses a Microsoft Windows operating system that they would also use the compatible Microsoft internet explorer browser along with the Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express for the newsreader and email client which requires one to have word processor software to activate the spell check feature!. Use Netscape or Mozilla and you'll avoid a lot of the virii which target Windows machines. Go whole hog to Linux and laugh at virii :-). Well, you may be safe from all the Internet Explorer and Outlook exploits, but unsecured linux boxes are pretty commonly compromised, too. I used to be responsible for a firewall at work, and almost everytime someone port-scanned us or tried to connect to various non-existant services, the source was a totally unsecured Red Hat 5.x or 6.x system. I understand Red Hat default installations are much more secure, now, but at the time it was pitiful. Mac |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:23:16 GMT, "ann" wrote:
Not everyone active in this newsgroup has the (spell check) option. Why keep this ridiculous thread that didn't even belong in this newsgroup going? You are the ridiculous, sour faced old trollop who first responded by calling the OP a liar and claiming that no newsreader/browser, including the OP's had a spell checker. Your idiotic claim, which was quickly refuted, is what got the thread started, so stop throwing stones at those who responded. Threads about how to post and read, and the features of various newsreaders or browsers are quite valid topics. Pull your withered old head in and stop being such an asshole! Seems to me that only the folks that want to use this forum as a chat-room are responding so to not let it die. ???? Grade school drop-out eh? BlackShadow BTW, trim your posts you tired old tart! |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:14 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:
Ah, but I'm a senior with a limited income, living on a @!#$%! dial-up line :-). I ran Linux for a while (Slackware, kernel 0.97 at first, IIRC), but switched to windows for various compatability reasons. Now that I'm retired, I'm planning to switch back when I get a round tuit :-). I have an older version of TurboLinux on my drive, but never really liked the way it was set up. I liked Slackware and will probably grab the latest of that distribution when I do switch. Larry, you are a PRIME candidate for Fedora. I got on the Linux bus at RH 5.2 and off the Windows pedicab at Win '98. While I would recommend Lycoris for people who have never used Linux before, Fedora is probably right up your alley. It does my heart good to see that people on this newsgroup are at least aware of the possibility of using Linux. I've been using it exclusively for years and I've long awaited the day when I would see Linux discussed on a non-computer-centric forum such as this. Well, it's finally arrived. My wife, a total non-geek, loves Linux. We both use Windows when absolutely necessary (we have ONE 'holdout' program that we rely on that keeps Win98 loaded on one desktop and dual-booted on the laptop), so it isn't that we hate Windows with any sort of religious fervor, it's just that Linux works much better for us than Windows ever did ... and for a small fraction of the expense. I wish you happy gardening AND happy computing, Chugga -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 18:27:00 up 50 days, 19:09, 8 users, load average: 0.06, 0.18, 0.22 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 |
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