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How do i soften my water
"Eoghan" wrote in message ... I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. You can mix your water with distilled water from the store but that can get costly. You can buy products online that soften water that are cleaned/recharged with salt and used over and over. You can by an Reverse Osmosis unit and make your own soft water. The best thing to do in many people's opinion is try and acclimate them to your water or keep fish that thrive in your water's hardness instead. My Tank has been set up now for over a year, even when I out weekly partcial water changes the hair grass algae has not subsided. My stocking levels are low and I have even used remedies to combat the problem but nothing seems to work I've always kept plants in my tanks that competed with hair algae so it's not much of a problem. More partial water changes or larger water changes should help. Feed carefully so there's no excess food rotting on the gravel or in the filter. If you're using an UGF try and remove the mulm that's under it with a siphon hose. Remove as much of the hair algae as you can with a clean old toothbrush. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
How do i soften my water
Listening to Koi Lo aka Carol Gulley can and usually does result in
havingproblems with yur fish i the long run as she does ot have a clue what she is talking about. She has given out nfo on more than one occassion that cost folks their fish and plants. A simple google search of Koi-Lo or Carol Gulley will reveal the person for what she really is........trouble with a capitol "T" no matter where she goes or whatever info she gives. On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:56:36 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: "Eoghan" wrote in message .. . I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. You can mix your water with distilled water from the store but that can get costly. You can buy products online that soften water that are cleaned/recharged with salt and used over and over. You can by an Reverse Osmosis unit and make your own soft water. The best thing to do in many people's opinion is try and acclimate them to your water or keep fish that thrive in your water's hardness instead. My Tank has been set up now for over a year, even when I out weekly partcial water changes the hair grass algae has not subsided. My stocking levels are low and I have even used remedies to combat the problem but nothing seems to work I've always kept plants in my tanks that competed with hair algae so it's not much of a problem. More partial water changes or larger water changes should help. Feed carefully so there's no excess food rotting on the gravel or in the filter. If you're using an UGF try and remove the mulm that's under it with a siphon hose. Remove as much of the hair algae as you can with a clean old toothbrush. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
How do i soften my water
I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) -- Eoghan |
How do i soften my water
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:03:39 +0100, Eoghan
wrote: I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) Reverse Osmosis is the most reliable. |
How do i soften my water
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:03:39 +0100, Eoghan
wrote: I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) Why do you want to soften your water? What problem are you trying to solve? Hard water is not a problem, it is a condition. You can change the condition or you can change the plants or fish to suit the condition. dick |
How do i soften my water
Why are you dissagreeing with the information Koi Lo aka Carol Gulley put out. Its of no concern to you why he wants the water soft, only to answer how and Carol Gulley already came to his rescue. Dick you are a dumbass. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:17:44 -0500, Dick wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:03:39 +0100, Eoghan wrote: I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) Why do you want to soften your water? What problem are you trying to solve? Hard water is not a problem, it is a condition. You can change the condition or you can change the plants or fish to suit the condition. dick -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Dick" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:03:39 +0100, Eoghan wrote: I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) Why do you want to soften your water? What problem are you trying to solve? Hard water is not a problem, it is a condition. You can change the condition or you can change the plants or fish to suit the condition. dick ==================== He want's to keep the tetras that do best in soft water, but his water is hard. Some aquarists will just keep fish that thrive in their particular water conditions as you know. Others try and acclimate their fish to their conditions if not ideal. I've had angelfish and fish like bettas adapt to my 300+ calcium rich hard alkaline water but they don't breed or the eggs don't hatch. The smaller sof****er, lower PH fish don't live very long for me, usually less than 6 months, so I don't get them anymore. -- KL....... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
How do i soften my water
yet more bull shit from Carol Gulley On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:18:51 -0500, Köi-Lö ¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô wrote: "Dick" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:03:39 +0100, Eoghan wrote: I was wondering if there was an easy way of softening my water. Maybe fiter media or anythin, except rainwater(dont trust it). I want to keep cardinal tetra, rams and rummy-nosed tetra but my water is to hard. Any solutions? Thanks Eoghan(It's the irish way of spellin owen) Why do you want to soften your water? What problem are you trying to solve? Hard water is not a problem, it is a condition. You can change the condition or you can change the plants or fish to suit the condition. dick ==================== He want's to keep the tetras that do best in soft water, but his water is hard. Some aquarists will just keep fish that thrive in their particular water conditions as you know. Others try and acclimate their fish to their conditions if not ideal. I've had angelfish and fish like bettas adapt to my 300+ calcium rich hard alkaline water but they don't breed or the eggs don't hatch. The smaller sof****er, lower PH fish don't live very long for me, usually less than 6 months, so I don't get them anymore. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
How do i soften my water
Sof****er fish live and breed fine in hard water. The eggs will not
be fertile though. If you're not breeding them it is of no concern. I could be wrong of course, but that's what I've noticed in 30 years of doing exactly this. Just another data point. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
How do i soften my water
"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Sof****er fish live and breed fine in hard water. Everyone's experience may be different Richard. Small soft-water acid-water tetras have seldom lived longer than 6 months for me. Our water is off the scale for hardness and the PH can reach 7.8 - 8. The larger more robust fish would adapt. The eggs will not be fertile though. If you're not breeding them it is of no concern. This is true but I have yet to get bettas to even spawn in these waters, whereas in NYs soft acid water it was a snap. Many males don't even make a bubble nest to speak of. I never had tetras to spawn here in TN but they did (in the tank's plants) in NY. But again - this is just MY experience. Bettas do adapt and live fine in my water otherwise. If a person is not interested in breeding then they should give it a go. I believe their electrolyte balance goes off then forced to live in hard alkaline water and that eventually causes their deaths. I could be wrong of course, but that's what I've noticed in 30 years of doing exactly this. Just another data point. And it goes to show you how different things can be from one person's aquarium to another's aquarium..... :-) -- KL.... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
How do i soften my water
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Köi-Lö ¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô wrote: "Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Sof****er fish live and breed fine in hard water. (snipped: but they need soft water to produce fertils eggs) Everyone's experience may be different Richard. Charlie Drew has been breeding neons for 30 years this way. His tapwater is 375ppm carbonate. He breeds them in soft peat water. JJ Scheel documented the same thing in _Rivulins of the Old World_. The McInnery book also says the same thing. The Authors have bred thouands of neons anf other sof****er fish this way. And I've noticed it's true too. Ron Harlan who used to sell RO filters back in the 80's had 20 years of similar experiences. Just because you can't keep them alive for six months doesn't really invalidate this 150 man years, just a small slice, of empirical evidence. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
How do i soften my water
Hi Richard..
Nice to read you.. [...] No doubt about it: (Red) Neons _are_ soft water fish(es)..! -- cu Marco |
How do i soften my water
"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... In article , Köi-Lö ¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô wrote: "Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Sof****er fish live and breed fine in hard water. (snipped: but they need soft water to produce fertils eggs) Everyone's experience may be different Richard. Charlie Drew has been breeding neons for 30 years this way. His tapwater is 375ppm carbonate. He breeds them in soft peat water. But we're talking about HARD ALKALINE water. JJ Scheel documented the same thing in _Rivulins of the Old World_. The McInnery book also says the same thing. The Authors have bred thouands of neons anf other sof****er fish this way. And I've noticed it's true too. Ron Harlan who used to sell RO filters back in the 80's had 20 years of similar experiences. Just because you can't keep them alive for six months doesn't really invalidate this 150 man years, just a small slice, of empirical evidence. Exactly! That's why I said everyone's experience is different. I'm sure somewhere out there someone bred neons in water even harder than 375ppm softened and acidified by peat. I didn't soften the water or lower it's PH with peat. I hoped the tetra's would adapt to my "natural" water conditions. But while all those fish that preferred harder more alkaline water flourished and thrived, the low-PH, soft-water fish faded away. Again I'm talking about *MY* natural water conditions without bothering with peat to soften and acidify the water. -- KL.... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"Marco Schwarz" wrote in message ... Hi Richard.. Nice to read you.. [...] No doubt about it: (Red) Neons _are_ soft water fish(es)..! -- cu Marco ======================== And although the soft water fish thrived for me when I had soft acidic water, they did not when I tried keeping them in hard alkaline water. Breeding them was not the reason I bought them. -- KL.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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Exactly! That's why I said everyone's experience is different. I'm sure
somewhere out there someone bred neons in water even harder than 375ppm softened and acidified by peat. I didn't soften the water or lower it's PH No. The calcium blocks the sperm receptor sites and the egg cannot be fertilized in hard water. This is why for years and years neons were considered difficult if not impossible to breed until this was figured out. The McInnery book has the best treatise on this. I've kept neons and cardinals for years in hard water. Lots of poeple have. The thing about acid water is it keeps to a certain extent, bacteria at bay. I always suspect clenliness, not pH or hardness when people have trouble with blackwater fish. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
How do i soften my water
Hi..
I've kept neons and cardinals for years in hard water. Lots of people have. Are "cardinals" == Tanichthys albonubes..? They are still hard water fish(es). The thing about acid water is it keeps to a certain extent, bacteria at bay. I always suspect clenliness, not pH or hardness when people have trouble with blackwater fish. Soft blackwater is clean because bacteria do not prefer such conditions. And this is why soft and clean water is ideal for several soft water species.. -- cu Marco |
How do i soften my water
"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... Exactly! That's why I said everyone's experience is different. I'm sure somewhere out there someone bred neons in water even harder than 375ppm softened and acidified by peat. I didn't soften the water or lower it's PH No. The calcium blocks the sperm receptor sites and the egg cannot be fertilized in hard water. This is why for years and years neons were considered difficult if not impossible to breed until this was figured out. The McInnery book has the best treatise on this. I've kept neons and cardinals for years in hard water. Lots of poeple have. The thing about acid water is it keeps to a certain extent, bacteria at bay. I always suspect clenliness, not pH or hardness when people have trouble with blackwater fish. ======================================== These terta deaths may well have something to do with bacteria, and the bacteria these blackwater fish can and can't tolerate. But there is no way to control which bacteria are growing in our tanks. All we can do is keep the gravel and filters as clean (unclogged) as possible. I would assume an alkaline hard water tank would indeed have different bacteria than a blackwater tank. That makes perfect sense. Perhaps some blackwater fish adapt to this bacteria, and some don't. There may be other unknown reasons as well that some adapt and others don't. -- KL.... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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In article ,
Marco Schwarz wrote: Hi.. I've kept neons and cardinals for years in hard water. Lots of people have. Are "cardinals" == Tanichthys albonubes..? No. In north america "neon" means Hypessobrycon innesi and Cardinal refers to Paracheirodon axelrodi. T. albonubes is called "White cloud mountain minnow" or just "white cloud" here. They are still hard water fish(es). The thing about acid water is it keeps to a certain extent, bacteria at bay. I always suspect clenliness, not pH or hardness when people have trouble with blackwater fish. Soft blackwater is clean because bacteria do not prefer such conditions. And this is why soft and clean water is ideal for several soft water species.. Depends on the bacteria. Scheel reported in _ROTOW_ that Mycobacteria does not do at all well in hard water but he suffered great losses from this pathogen when he kept wild caught fishes frim soft water in soft water tanks. What he would do was always keep them in hard water then only breed them in soft water. He also found that in hard water the gonads would not develop but found that peat extract (or any source of gonaditropine, and you may not want to ask) would cause the sex organs to mature; into soft water, breed, then quick back to hard water. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Its not nice to argue with Caol Gulley. Yu are not going to convince
that btch that what your saying is correct and what she saiys is just her opinion. She probably wrote those books for those guys. I know she wsa an understudy of Dr.Innez and a partner to "Dr. Solo" On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC), (Richard Sexton) wrote: Exactly! That's why I said everyone's experience is different. I'm sure somewhere out there someone bred neons in water even harder than 375ppm softened and acidified by peat. I didn't soften the water or lower it's PH No. The calcium blocks the sperm receptor sites and the egg cannot be fertilized in hard water. This is why for years and years neons were considered difficult if not impossible to breed until this was figured out. The McInnery book has the best treatise on this. I've kept neons and cardinals for years in hard water. Lots of poeple have. The thing about acid water is it keeps to a certain extent, bacteria at bay. I always suspect clenliness, not pH or hardness when people have trouble with blackwater fish. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hi..
No. In north america "neon" means Hypessobrycon innesi and Cardinal refers to Paracheirodon axelrodi. Thanks, should have asked Google in advance.. "White cloud mountain minnow" or just "white cloud" here. This is exactely where they come from or what "albonubes" means.. Depends on the bacteria. Scheel reported in _ROTOW_ that Mycobacteria does not do at all well in hard water but he suffered great losses from this pathogen when he kept wild caught fishes frim soft water in soft water tanks. Well, only a minority of wild caught fishes will reach us fish keepers and these fishes are often apathetic and ill. Means their immune system is weak, too.. Some fish species are used to change from softer to harder water and back. Others seem to spend their complete life in soft or soft _and_ acid water.. The softer the water the more energy do fishes need to transport diffusing water back to outside. This is a kidneys job and the kidneys are always in danger to loose important ions. And the management of the ion pumps that hold these ions back consume a lot of energy.. And this is why weak and apathetic soft water wild caught fishes often aren't able to manage both: to fight the pathogens back and to keep their ion pumps effectively running.. But after their recovery they can return to soft water, step by step adapted over a timeframe of 3-4 weeks.. BTW: We are used to keep soft water fishes in soft water and they feel well. Initiated by soft water their kidneys are steadily "rinsed" and in this way and in the long term they aren't in danger to get a renal insufficiency.. What he would do was always keep them in hard water then only breed them in soft water. Hmm.., see above-mentioned.. He also found that in hard water the gonads would not develop but found that peat extract (or any source of gonaditropine, and you may not want to ask) would cause the sex organs to mature; into soft water, breed, then quick back to hard water.. -- cu Marco |
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"Marco Schwarz" wrote in message ... \ The softer the water the more energy do fishes need to transport diffusing water back to outside. This is a kidneys job and the kidneys are always in danger to loose important ions. And the management of the ion pumps that hold these ions back consume a lot of energy.. Which I believe is involved (electrolytes) in these soft water, low PH water fish being unable to thrive in very hard alkaline water. Bacteria may also play a part but I believe it's more of an electrolyte problem. BTW: We are used to keep soft water fishes in soft water and they feel well. Initiated by soft water their kidneys are steadily "rinsed" and in this way and in the long term they aren't in danger to get a renal insufficiency.. Which may be what killed the small tetras I tried to keep here in TN. Rather than try and keep fish that don't thrive in my water I will stick with those that do. :-) -- KL.... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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Ah go **** yourself Carol no one here or anywhere else gives a flying
**** abuyt you and your tetras or any thing else you ramble on about. Your assinine ramblings and socks are the reason these groups are like they are, so don;t go laying the blame on others for yur own ****ups and one sided ways in your perverted world that only hinges on what is best for you and youo alone. Someone really needs to knock you in the ****ing head and tell god you died. I doubt anyone would even miss you. Opinon is the whole thing and carols do not count. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:33 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote: *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups. "Marco Schwarz" wrote in message ... \ The softer the water the more energy do fishes need to transport diffusing water back to outside. This is a kidneys job and the kidneys are always in danger to loose important ions. And the management of the ion pumps that hold these ions back consume a lot of energy.. Which I believe is involved (electrolytes) in these soft water, low PH water fish being unable to thrive in very hard alkaline water. Bacteria may also play a part but I believe it's more of an electrolyte problem. BTW: We are used to keep soft water fishes in soft water and they feel well. Initiated by soft water their kidneys are steadily "rinsed" and in this way and in the long term they aren't in danger to get a renal insufficiency.. Which may be what killed the small tetras I tried to keep here in TN. Rather than try and keep fish that don't thrive in my water I will stick with those that do. :-) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Well, only a minority of wild caught fishes will reach us
fish keepers and these fishes are often apathetic and ill. Means their immune system is weak, too.. We do ok here. I see a lot fewe losses in stores these days. Maybe they're finally getting the hang of it or maybe they die before making it to shops I don't know. Some fish species are used to change from softer to harder water and back. Others seem to spend their complete life in soft or soft _and_ acid water.. Well, little odd killifihs from gabon spend their lives i npeay soft acid pools and do fine in LA tapwater whihc is 17Dh or something liek that. Similarly so other exotic and tochy rainwater killies. I don't uy at all there exists a sof****er fich than cannot live in hard water. The opposite may well be true though. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
How do i soften my water
Hi..
We do ok here. I see a lot fewe losses in stores these days. Maybe they're finally getting the hang of it or maybe they die before making it to shops I don't know. Think positive.. ;-) Well, little odd killifihs from gabon spend their lives i npeay soft acid pools and do fine in LA tapwater whihc is 17Dh or something liek that. An annual species..? Does it have a common name..? Similarly so other exotic and tochy rainwater killies. I don't uy at all there exists a sof****er fich than cannot live in hard water. The opposite may well be true though. Of course they will survive in harder water and might feel well for a while - for a while..! -- cu Marco |
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In article ,
Marco Schwarz wrote: Hi.. We do ok here. I see a lot fewe losses in stores these days. Maybe they're finally getting the hang of it or maybe they die before making it to shops I don't know. Think positive.. ;-) Well, little odd killifihs from gabon spend their lives i npeay soft acid pools and do fine in LA tapwater whihc is 17Dh or something liek that. An annual species..? Does it have a common name..? The entire genus Ahyosemion. And every other genus of killi. I'm not aware of any that can not be kept in hard water (albeit they MUST breed in soft water). There are hardwater killies (pupfish ans such) that will definitly die in too soft of water. Similarly so other exotic and tochy rainwater killies. I don't uy at all there exists a sof****er fich than cannot live in hard water. The opposite may well be true though. Of course they will survive in harder water and might feel well for a while - for a while..! Long while buddy! Years and years. Tetras, barbs, dwarf cichlids, angels, tetras, they all do fine long term in hard water IME. Just one data point. -- Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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Hi..
The entire genus Ahyosemion. And every other genus of killi. I'm not aware of any that can not be kept in hard water (albeit they MUST breed in soft water). There are hardwater killies (pupfish ans such) that will definitly die in too soft of water. It wasn't my purpose to declare each killi to be a soft water fish. Long while buddy! Years and years. Tetras, barbs, dwarf cichlids, angels, tetras, they all do fine long term in hard water IME. More or less *long* buddy! -- cu Marco, coming from a different fish keeping tradition.. |
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