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June 17th Saturday: Troll Free Groups - Att: Dick - PLEASE READ!
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
"Dick" wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2006 15:04:52 -0000, er (X-Zenia) wrote: For your own safety USE CAUTION to post on these usenet newsgroups. ========= I understand those that choose to use the google forum, however I see them as surrendering. A little about malicious trolls Dick. In a way the regulars here did abandon these NGs, as they tired of the troll's abuse, smutty posts and profanity. When trolls invade a NG no one wins. If you don't reply they call you a troll anyway, and get more vicious to get your attention. They put the blame on you no matter what you do - even when you ignore them! If you do reply to them, they call you a troll because you replied. Imagine that!!!! You can see it right here on these NGs. If they change their nyms or steal yours to impersonate you, it's OK with them as they feel you "deserve" their abuse. But if you change your nym they call you a troll and a kook and abuse you all the more. They forge headers to make obscene messages look like their victims wrote them. And no matter what happens, they will always BLAME their target-victims. They will find a justification for their abuse as an abusive husband justifies beating his wife and children. Have you noticed that with all their complaining about nym shifting they not only do it themselves, but refuse to killfile the target-victims they demand keep one nym. If they don't plan to killfile the target-victim why complain about their nym/nyms on Usenet? In the end the best thing to do is seek another forum I believe. One that is moderated and can block those seeking to harass and torment others on Usenet. The attacks here are not going to cease for obvious reasons. They're *ENJOYING* what they're doing as a disturbed child enjoys ripping the wings off flies or killing birds and cats with a BB gun. I'm not the only one being verbally abused and harassed as I'm sure you noticed. The Usenet is a great way to share ideas. This is or was true, but destructive negative people are killing NGs nowadays because ISPs and some NSPs allow all forms of net abuse. When I first got online 10 years ago such people would lose their service before they could do much damage to a NG or it's members. At least on the groups I was on. It is worth saving. I feel the best way to serve them is to continue to do as we have always done, but ignore trolls, don't respond, let them talk to themselves. They can't be saved. Look how rude and profane the "impersonator" is to newbies on these groups. The other trolls back him up, teach him how to hide his identity to better abuse others, and in general encourage the abuse, then sit back and watch the show with a bag of popcorn and a cold beer. You think not? That's exactly what one troll admitted they do. And as you can see it's always someone else's fault - my fault, Ed's fault, Gill's fault...... The groups are a mess and quite boring now with nothing but attack, slander, impersonations, forged messages, porn and other negative trash. Most newbies will not come back and who can blame them? They don't come here to be trolled and read porn. There are several people dedicated to destroying these NGs for their own gratification, simply because they CAN! Two of them aren't even from these groups and have no interest in ponds or fish. Why are they here at all? None of their messages are or ever were on-topic. They are easy to spot, their words reveal their nature. But many people will leave rather than have to dig through a cesspool of troll garbage and filth for that one decent message hidden in the mess........ and the trolls know this. That's how they empty a group of decent posters until only they are left. Notice how the grossest profanity and smut is cool to them, it's fine with them. They see nothing wrong with it or slandering others. The rest of the trolls they bring in by cross-posting are just noise and easily filtered out. Malicious trolls are a whole other ball game. It does take a bit of sorting to find legitimate posts, but the Usenet is too valuable to just surrender. IMO You may change your mind in time. Besides, there will soon be no one left here but the trolls........ and they'll move on to do the same thing to another NG, finding another reason, another target-victim...... -- KL.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups. ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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June 17th Saturday: Troll Free Groups - Att: Dick - PLEASE READ!
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:53:52 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote:
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups. "Dick" wrote in message .. . On 17 Jun 2006 15:04:52 -0000, er (X-Zenia) wrote: For your own safety USE CAUTION to post on these usenet newsgroups. ========= I understand those that choose to use the google forum, however I see them as surrendering. A little about malicious trolls Dick. In a way the regulars here did abandon these NGs, as they tired of the troll's abuse, smutty posts and profanity. When trolls invade a NG no one wins. If you don't reply they call you a troll anyway, and get more vicious to get your attention. They put the blame on you no matter what you do - even when you ignore them! If you do reply to them, they call you a troll because you replied. Imagine that!!!! You can see it right here on these NGs. If they change their nyms or steal yours to impersonate you, it's OK with them as they feel you "deserve" their abuse. But if you change your nym they call you a troll and a kook and abuse you all the more. They forge headers to make obscene messages look like their victims wrote them. And no matter what happens, they will always BLAME their target-victims. They will find a justification for their abuse as an abusive husband justifies beating his wife and children. Have you noticed that with all their complaining about nym shifting they not only do it themselves, but refuse to killfile the target-victims they demand keep one nym. If they don't plan to killfile the target-victim why complain about their nym/nyms on Usenet? In the end the best thing to do is seek another forum I believe. One that is moderated and can block those seeking to harass and torment others on Usenet. The attacks here are not going to cease for obvious reasons. They're *ENJOYING* what they're doing as a disturbed child enjoys ripping the wings off flies or killing birds and cats with a BB gun. I'm not the only one being verbally abused and harassed as I'm sure you noticed. The Usenet is a great way to share ideas. This is or was true, but destructive negative people are killing NGs nowadays because ISPs and some NSPs allow all forms of net abuse. When I first got online 10 years ago such people would lose their service before they could do much damage to a NG or it's members. At least on the groups I was on. It is worth saving. I feel the best way to serve them is to continue to do as we have always done, but ignore trolls, don't respond, let them talk to themselves. They can't be saved. Look how rude and profane the "impersonator" is to newbies on these groups. The other trolls back him up, teach him how to hide his identity to better abuse others, and in general encourage the abuse, then sit back and watch the show with a bag of popcorn and a cold beer. You think not? That's exactly what one troll admitted they do. And as you can see it's always someone else's fault - my fault, Ed's fault, Gill's fault...... The groups are a mess and quite boring now with nothing but attack, slander, impersonations, forged messages, porn and other negative trash. Most newbies will not come back and who can blame them? They don't come here to be trolled and read porn. There are several people dedicated to destroying these NGs for their own gratification, simply because they CAN! Two of them aren't even from these groups and have no interest in ponds or fish. Why are they here at all? None of their messages are or ever were on-topic. They are easy to spot, their words reveal their nature. But many people will leave rather than have to dig through a cesspool of troll garbage and filth for that one decent message hidden in the mess........ and the trolls know this. That's how they empty a group of decent posters until only they are left. Notice how the grossest profanity and smut is cool to them, it's fine with them. They see nothing wrong with it or slandering others. The rest of the trolls they bring in by cross-posting are just noise and easily filtered out. Malicious trolls are a whole other ball game. It does take a bit of sorting to find legitimate posts, but the Usenet is too valuable to just surrender. IMO You may change your mind in time. Besides, there will soon be no one left here but the trolls........ and they'll move on to do the same thing to another NG, finding another reason, another target-victim...... As a kid I learned, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names and faces will never harm me." Not everyone feels hurt by name calling. Leaving the group is another nail in its coffin. People who come to Usenet groups are familiar with trolls. Nasty, hateful subjects or bodies are easy to spot. The Usenet is worth some effort. Monitoring, sorting and responding to legitimate posts is something I can do. I understand people leaving, I resent posts urging people to avoid. I get very suspicious since urging people to leave has the same result as the trolls trashy behavior. dick |
June 17th Saturday: Troll Free Groups - Att: Dick - PLEASE READ!
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups.
"Dick" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:53:52 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote: You may change your mind in time. Besides, there will soon be no one left here but the trolls........ and they'll move on to do the same thing to another NG, finding another reason, another target-victim...... == As a kid I learned, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names and faces will never harm me." Not everyone feels hurt by name calling. It's not just the boring redundant juvenile name calling and porn messages Dick. It's the netkkoping and the constant slander. Ed for example though he was doing a good thing for the group and they ketkkoped him and called him a plagiarizer. Leaving the group is another nail in its coffin. This is true and this is what the trolls and malicious people want. It's a victory of sorts for them, and they don't deny it. It gives them a large ego boost. If they would only put all that energy and all that planning and all that hiding and all that net-stalking and all that time into *positive actions* here on Usenet, think how great that would be. :-) People who come to Usenet groups are familiar with trolls. Nasty, hateful subjects or bodies are easy to spot. Again, this is true but some people don't want to put up with them and the trolls know it. The Usenet is worth some effort. Monitoring, sorting and responding to legitimate posts is something I can do. Yes it is, but as the trolls get more malicious and destructive with better software and technology, they will in the end kill all or most of Usenet. Why? Because they can,... it gratifies or satisfies some need they have they can't satisfy any other way but by hurting others. Add the fact that ISPs no longer care how their customers abuse their service. Their TOS and AUPs are a joke. I understand people leaving, I resent posts urging people to avoid. I get very suspicious since urging people to leave has the same result as the trolls trashy behavior. I know what you mean. However, when a new person comes in and receives a really nasty reply or sees the porn, they'll leave anyway. :( I know that's what I've done when I've been to a new NG that was under attack by malicious trolls. If this goes as I've seen it go on other NGs, the trolls will soon congratulate themselves on cleansing these groups of, get this,... "trolls." -- KL.... Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups. ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
June 17th Saturday: Troll Free Groups - Att: Dick - PLEASE READ!
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:43:06 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote:
*Note: There are two "Koi-Lo's" on the pond and aquaria groups. Get over it Carol, its old news and does not mean a ****ing thng to anyone but you. "Dick" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:53:52 -0500, "Koi-Lo" ¤?¤@ö½.Õ..Õ¢ wrote: You may change your mind in time. Besides, there will soon be no one left here but the trolls........ and they'll move on to do the same thing to another NG, finding another reason, another target-victim...... == As a kid I learned, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names and faces will never harm me." Not everyone feels hurt by name calling. It's not just the boring redundant juvenile name calling and porn messages Dick. It's the netkkoping and the constant slander. Ed for example though he was doing a good thing for the group and they ketkkoped him and called him a plagiarizer. ED Alston did no good for anynone except what benefited him and only him.....He is of the same mindset as Carol Gulley. I suspect old ED Alston got the bounce from Frontiernet with his attrocities.........or else he is still cowering under the skirts of his momma.......Hopefully the former, as he was a loser anyhow. I am not for netkoppig, but if someone done him in, so be it and lalthe power to them.......ED Alston deserved it just for being a total asshole. Perhaps a google search on his various NYMs would be of interest as he seemed to have a pretty dark side from what I found......very very dark......to the point of being a pervert, and kinky as hell........ Leaving the group is another nail in its coffin. We use screws and rivets not nails...... This is true and this is what the trolls and malicious people want. It's a victory of sorts for them, and they don't deny it. It gives them a large ego boost. If they would only put all that energy and all that planning and all that hiding and all that net-stalking and all that time into *positive actions* here on Usenet, think how great that would be. :-) Our energies is only being used to set the facts right about Koi Lo aka Carol Gulley and her bullshit and sock puppet army that she uses to infest forums with that do not grant her the her highness title she thinks she deserves. People who come to Usenet groups are familiar with trolls. Nasty, hateful subjects or bodies are easy to spot. Yea, but its what CArol Gulley and lots of others thrives on.....and they refuse to kill file them . They can not resist reading whats said about them. They thrive on this attention. Again, this is true but some people don't want to put up with them and the trolls know it. I feel sorry for them folks, but if they post and get involved ina fued then so be it, they get what they get in return. Keep the dog on the prch and ignore. Use kill filters. There is a way to stil use and enjoy these forums, but most folks are just too ignorant to use and do what they ned to do...and would rather whine about it. The Usenet is worth some effort. Monitoring, sorting and responding to legitimate posts is something I can do. No such things in real life., Real and meaningfull ony to whoever posts it. Yes it is, but as the trolls get more malicious and destructive with better software and technology, they will in the end kill all or most of Usenet. Why? Because they can,... it gratifies or satisfies some need they have they can't satisfy any other way but by hurting others. Add the fact that ISPs no longer care how their customers abuse their service. Their TOS and AUPs are a joke. They dowhat they have to do, and raise the notch one or two levels as well. Its ok for CArol Gulley to do what she wants, so why not others without being called a troll. ONly real troll here is CArol Gulley aka Koi Lo I understand people leaving, I resent posts urging people to avoid. I get very suspicious since urging people to leave has the same result as the trolls trashy behavior. Folks leave because they are tired of CArol Gulleys dragging her trash and baggage from group to group..........folks are tired of CArol Gulley......afteral she is what brings in the unwanted posts. Without CArol those posrts would not occur.........but still CArol insisits on imflaming groups and posters with her assinine posts and lies. I know what you mean. However, when a new person comes in and receives a really nasty reply or sees the porn, they'll leave anyway. :( I know that's what I've done when I've been to a new NG that was under attack by malicious trolls. Why not, the less noise to deal with the better so more concentration can be givento the problem at hand....CarolGulley......In all wars there is collateral damage and if they the newbies get wacked, so be it, If this goes as I've seen it go on other NGs, the trolls will soon congratulate themselves on cleansing these groups of, get this,... "trolls." The so called people yu call trolls will only be done with their work when CArol Gulley is off USENET.......If the groups get back to normal, fine, if not, its a small price to pay and only CArol Gulley can be blamed for it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
June 17th Saturday: Troll Free Groups - Att: Dick - PLEASE READ!
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, "Koi-Lo" wrote: When trolls invade a NG no one wins. If you don't reply they call you a troll anyway, and get more vicious to get your attention. They put the blame on you no matter what you do, even when you ignore them! If you do reply to them, they call you a troll because you replied. snip Trolls are what trolls do... That is how it's been since before the great renaming. I have told you before Carol, the reason they troll you is because you have never stopped feeding them, ever. Eleven years of builtup momentum is hard to stop, and I for see it getting only worse. No Carol, you were never a troll; you are simply the ultimate in troll bait, a replicating catalyst for the pupetual machine. If they change their nyms or steal yours to impersonate you, it's OK with them as they feel you "deserve" their abuse. If we change our NYMs to impersonate others, we are trolls. We are not trying to had the fact we are trolls Carol, far from it. But if you change your nym they call you a troll and a kook and abuse you all the more. Have you noticed that with all their complaining about nym shifting they not only do it themselves, but refuse to killfile the target -victims they demand keep one nym. How often do you change your NYM Carol? Once a Month? Once a Week? No, you change your NYM so often that you can't be kept in a Killfile and as well no one can accurately filter out the trolls from your own posts. This is the flaw. If they don't plan to killfile the target-victim why complain about their nym/nyms on Usenet? Well duh, because trolls troll... In the end the best thing to do is seek another forum I believe. One that is moderated and can block those seeking to harass and torment others on Usenet. Give up free will for it's not worth fighting for. That's a rats mentality if I ever heard one... :-) And what will you do down the road when one of your group's admins blocks you from posting because "cheap solutions" are not to be talked about in within "their" group? That is why moderated groups never took-off on the Usenet and Blogs have such a strong force on the web right now. But I won't stop you... All of US will trow a going away party for you. The attacks here are not going to cease for obvious reasons. Obvious being what I've already said; she will never stop feeding. This is or was true, but destructive negative people are killing NGs nowadays because ISPs and some NSPs allow all forms of net abuse. When I first got online 10 years ago such people would lose their service before they could do much damage to a NG or it's members. At least on the groups I was on. It's easy to blame others, isn't it carol... You got the whole Usenet situation back ass-ward. The truth is, ISP/NSPs changed their methods because innocent people where getting "kicked" over their independent views and opinions, not because of trolling. As these people found other, more open services, companies had to change their TOSs in order to compete. Jump forward a few years and a booming Binary groups traffic has driving away most free Usenet servers. Only the pay servers can afford a feed these days. At the same time ISPs with ever shrinking profits can't afford to keep providing a "secondary" service, so they either provide it unsupported or discontinue it, forcing users to look elsewhere. Since the PAY servers like to keep customers, so it's far more difficult to get that PAID user kicked... That is what has changed. The other trolls back him up, teach him how to hide his identity to better abuse others, and in general encourage the abuse, then sit back and watch the show with a bag of popcorn and a cold beer. Simple paranoia... Pure speculation at it's best... You think not? That's exactly what one troll admitted they do. Proof? I doublt it. But many people will leave rather than have to dig through a cesspool of troll garbage and filth for that one decent message hidden in the mess... Why? Filters... Your not giving the newbie enough credit. If they a have a question about what is going on in the group they will ask (type-B) or company about it (type-A). -- Anti-Troll FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/d8e4 Ignore the grassy knoll, there is only one Lone Gunman. |
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