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Old 26-06-2006, 10:24 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter fishbowl
i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them please ???
TIA.. Rod



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Old 26-06-2006, 03:42 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
please ??? TIA.. Rod

====================
Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any complete
fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.
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Old 26-06-2006, 06:34 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Hi..

Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused
10 Liter fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold
and what do i feed them please ??? TIA.. Rod


Well.., a fishbowl is no aquarium but I would recommend 1-2"
sand or gravel, some floating Elodea, some ramshorn snails
and 1-5 dwarf shrimps. Personally I would feed the
"crew" (snails, shrimps) and the bacteria would do their
job to feed the plants..

HTH.
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Old 26-06-2006, 07:10 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Koi-Lo My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. wrote:

"PJ" wrote in message
. au...
Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
please ??? TIA.. Rod

====================
Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any complete
fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.


Please don't make shit up. Miracle Grow contains ammonia which you
NEVER use in an aquarium. I seriosuly doubt you've ever tried it,
if you did you know it promotes algae and, I did try it once and
when I moved plants from that tank to another tank that contained
cardinals they were dead within hours from the residual ammonia.

This was 20 years ago when we didn't know better. Today we do.

Fertilize per standard and things will be fine.


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Old 26-06-2006, 08:21 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. wrote:

"PJ" wrote in message
.au...
Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
please ??? TIA.. Rod

====================
Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any
complete
fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.


Please don't make shit up. Miracle Grow contains ammonia which you
NEVER use in an aquarium.


He said there would be NO FISH in the aquarium - reread his message!

I seriosuly doubt you've ever tried it,
if you did you know it promotes algae and, I did try it once and
when I moved plants from that tank to another tank that contained
cardinals they were dead within hours from the residual ammonia.


Reread his message. He didn't say he was going to move the plants to an
aquarium with fish.

This was 20 years ago when we didn't know better. Today we do.
Fertilize per standard and things will be fine.


Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising Marble Queen in water with nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
--
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Old 26-06-2006, 11:19 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising Marble Queen in water with nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.


My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.

You can kill poeples fish just by moving that plant to a tank
with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
years ago.


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Old 27-06-2006, 01:22 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising Marble Queen in water with nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.


My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.


Dangerous? To who? The plant (Marble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
phosphates.

You can kill poeples fish


HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!

just by moving that plant to a tank
with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
years ago.


Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
and killed fish? If you fear ammonia is clinging to the plant in vast and
deadly amounts then rise it off in clean water before putting it in with
fish. Miracle Grow and garden fertilizers do not kill plants and rinses off
easily. The tiny amount that may cling to them should be neutralized
rapidly by the bacteria in the fishtank. Better yet, just rinse them off
first.
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Old 27-06-2006, 02:34 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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TY everyone for the responses. I now know what to do.. Cheers and TY.. Rod





"Marco Schwarz" wrote in message
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Hi..

Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused
10 Liter fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold
and what do i feed them please ??? TIA.. Rod


Well.., a fishbowl is no aquarium but I would recommend 1-2"
sand or gravel, some floating Elodea, some ramshorn snails
and 1-5 dwarf shrimps. Personally I would feed the
"crew" (snails, shrimps) and the bacteria would do their
job to feed the plants..

HTH.
--
cu
Marco



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Old 27-06-2006, 08:18 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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In article ,
Koi-Lo My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising Marble Queen in water with nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.


My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.


Dangerous? To who? The plant (Marble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
phosphates.


Of course they are.

You can kill poeples fish


HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!


Caps lock key broken? Exclamation mark key stuck?

just by moving that plant to a tank
with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
years ago.


Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
and killed fish?


I'm saying a single plant from an experimental tank fertilized with
garden fertilizer killer 24 cardinals in a 65 gallon tank when moved
there. I don't really know how or why, but putting ammonia in a tank
to fertilize plants is abou the the stupidest things I've ever heard
and in my experience is at best a very dangerous experiment.

You may be getting away with it, but you are doing just that. No
sane person would do this.


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Old 27-06-2006, 08:38 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums
LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising Marble Queen in water with
nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.

My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.


Dangerous? To who? The plant (Marble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
phosphates.


Of course they are.

You can kill poeples fish


HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!


Caps lock key broken? Exclamation mark key stuck?


Apparently you never bothered to read his post.

just by moving that plant to a tank
with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
years ago.


Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
and killed fish?


I'm saying a single plant from an experimental tank fertilized with
garden fertilizer killer 24 cardinals in a 65 gallon tank when moved
there.


And what proof do you have the plant was so covered in ammonia it killed the
fish? Should I claim Excel and the micronutrients I've been using killed my
fancy goldfish? After all none died that were not exposed to these
products. Rise the plants off before you add them to your tank. You should
be doing that anyway. The tiny amount of ammonia, if any would be quickly
neutralized by the bacteria in the tank that housed the fish.

I don't really know how or why, but putting ammonia in a tank
to fertilize plants is abou the the stupidest things I've ever heard
and in my experience is at best a very dangerous experiment.


As is experimenting with Excel and the other products out there apparently,
since no other fish died here except those exposed to these aquarium
fertilizers. By your reasoning you need to stop recommending these products
since they killed these goldfish.

You may be getting away with it, but you are doing just that. No
sane person would do this.


You're entitled to your opinion. My water plants are thriving outside with
nothing but inexpensive garden fertilizer (5-10-5) and Miracle Grow.
Tadpoles are thriving in the same tubs.
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Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.

Best of luck.


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Old 28-06-2006, 02:23 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.


Oh,.. so now you claim there was ammonia in the Seachem Excel, the iron and
the micronutrients? That's not what the containers say! Better make sure
you warn people that these products contain ammonia.

Best of luck.


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Old 28-06-2006, 07:25 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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In article ,
Koi-Lo My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...

Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.


Oh,.. so now you claim there was ammonia in the Seachem Excel, the iron and
the micronutrients?


I made no such claim.



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You illiterate unread troll

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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.

Best of luck.


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Old 30-06-2006, 08:31 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
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Dam richard, you can not get along with any of Carols cronies can yuu.
That will teach you coming in here infringine on Carols territory..And
yur an unread troll to boot! hillarioius...liked to have ****ed my
pants on that one.

Better leave before she sics her socks on you.

....PLONK I always wanted to say or post that its niot really as big
of a dealas everyone thinks it is......



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wrote:

You illiterate unread troll

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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.

Best of luck.


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