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Old 20-04-2003, 05:56 AM
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Hi all,

today, when I was looking at my fish, I found one small white spot on back
of one of my otos... hmm... I'm HOPING it's not ich, but it's likely that
it is..

Now I know I need to run to the nearest LFS and get some drugs within the
next day or so, but here are my questions that I was hoping to get:

1. which is the best medication on market? are otos sensitive to certain
types of medication? (I assume I need to treat the whole tank anyways)

2. one of my little whiteclouds had an "accident" over the weekend and has
an injured head (not quite an open wound I don't think, but has injury on
his head... I'll post story on r.a.f.m later if you're interested..). will
the ich medication hurt it?

3. I have plants that are copper-sensitive... do common medication contain
copper that I need to be aware of?

4. can I treat it without raising temp? (or is this just for sal****er
treatment?) I have whiteclouds, and they won't like temperatures much above
78F...

5. after medication, do I need to use carbon to clean it, or some drastic
water changes enough to dilute the medicine? (how toxic is it to fish) How
do I know that the medication is all filtered out? (will be using
aquaclear200 powerfilter on a 37G)

I have white clouds, gold danios and otos in a very densely planted tank...
the tank is kept at around 76F.

thanks for any suggestion you can offer!

linda

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Old 20-04-2003, 05:56 AM
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hi linda, not knowing if you are sitting at your computer waiting patiently,
i can answer some of your questions, but the best advice i can give would be
for you to wait for Jim, Donald, NetMax or one of those guys that *really*
knows to give you a response in the morning.

"LM" wrote in message
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Hi all,

today, when I was looking at my fish, I found one small white spot on back
of one of my otos... hmm... I'm HOPING it's not ich, but it's likely

that
it is..

Now I know I need to run to the nearest LFS and get some drugs within the
next day or so, but here are my questions that I was hoping to get:

1. which is the best medication on market? are otos sensitive to certain
types of medication? (I assume I need to treat the whole tank anyways)

personally, i use maracide, or super ich cure, someone sent a post back to
me when i was fighting ich that said they use maracide full strength with
their oto's. i'm sorry, i cant find the post to reference back to it.

2. one of my little whiteclouds had an "accident" over the weekend and

has
an injured head (not quite an open wound I don't think, but has injury on
his head... I'll post story on r.a.f.m later if you're interested..).

will
the ich medication hurt it?

i dont know. but considering the consequences of not treating if it is
ich...

3. I have plants that are copper-sensitive... do common medication

contain
copper that I need to be aware of?

not sure on this one. copper, i believe, is a treatement for excessive snail
populations, not ich.

4. can I treat it without raising temp? (or is this just for sal****er
treatment?) I have whiteclouds, and they won't like temperatures much

above
78F...

yes you can treat without having to raise the temp. however, most people i
have seen highly recomend raising the temperature to 80-82 F, some even
higher.

5. after medication, do I need to use carbon to clean it, or some drastic
water changes enough to dilute the medicine? (how toxic is it to fish)

How
do I know that the medication is all filtered out? (will be using
aquaclear200 powerfilter on a 37G)

i ran ich treatements in one of my tanks for over two weeks, the fish seemed
to be fine with it. i'd be more concerned with getting the ich out than i
would with toxic levels of treatement. i did daily water changes and
treatments, my tanks had not yet cycled at that time so daily changes were
imperitive because of other factors, not ich or the treatements, that aside,
it is possible that the daily water changes aided with maintaining a comfort
level with the fish, it could also be why i had to treat for over two weeks.

I have white clouds, gold danios and otos in a very densely planted

tank...
the tank is kept at around 76F.

thanks for any suggestion you can offer!

again, my best suggestion would be to wait till morning to see who has
posted, and if there is any change in your tank.

tedd.


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Old 20-04-2003, 05:56 AM
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"LM" wrote in message
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Hi all,

today, when I was looking at my fish, I found one small white spot on

back
of one of my otos... hmm... I'm HOPING it's not ich, but it's likely

that
it is..


It will get worse or it will go away. For a single white spot, I would
just wait & see which way it goes.

Now I know I need to run to the nearest LFS and get some drugs within

the
next day or so, but here are my questions that I was hoping to get:

1. which is the best medication on market? are otos sensitive to

certain
types of medication? (I assume I need to treat the whole tank anyways)


IMHO, Ottos fall into the class of fish whose hardiness is all over the
map, like Neons. They are either very fragile, or very hardy. Their
most fragile moment is probably immediately after introduction into a
different aquarium. If you treat for Ich, it will be the entire tank.
Usual medications are formaldehyde, malachite green and
benz..somthing-or-another green. They all seem to work, but being
somewhat old-fashioned, I'm accustomed to using something with a high
percentage of malachite green.

2. one of my little whiteclouds had an "accident" over the weekend and

has
an injured head (not quite an open wound I don't think, but has injury

on
his head... I'll post story on r.a.f.m later if you're interested..).

will
the ich medication hurt it?


WCMs & Ottos are small and relatively fragile (due to their size).
Fungus might be a secondary contagion to a wound in their scales, but I
would not be unduly worried about a healthy fish in a healthy tank at low
fish loads. Remember than medications will also stress fish, so their
use should be given a 2nd thought when very small fish are involved.

3. I have plants that are copper-sensitive... do common medication

contain
copper that I need to be aware of?


It will show up on the ingredients. iirc, copper based treatments have
been used successfully on parasites such as Ich, but I would avoid them
like the plague.

4. can I treat it without raising temp? (or is this just for sal****er
treatment?) I have whiteclouds, and they won't like temperatures much

above
78F...


I would not raise the temp, and would decrease the amount of light
reaching a medicated tank (leave the light off for a couple of days, the
plants will think it is cloudy outside and take a few days off from
pearling (every organism can use a break ;~). Seriously, some Ich meds
will be deactivated by light, others will not.

5. after medication, do I need to use carbon to clean it, or some

drastic
water changes enough to dilute the medicine? (how toxic is it to fish)

How
do I know that the medication is all filtered out? (will be using
aquaclear200 powerfilter on a 37G)


IMO, a normal 20% water change, followed by a fresh carbon insert should
do the trick. My understanding is that it's toxicity does become a
concern with long exposure. Whenever I med small fish, I go to full
dosage in increments, (1/2 dosage, then another 1/2 after 6-8 hours).
Ich does have to be treated in a manner which catches their life cycle.
I have _many_ Ich URL treatment sites _if_ you need them because the Ich
started getting worse.

I have white clouds, gold danios and otos in a very densely planted

tank...
the tank is kept at around 76F.


The lower the fish load, the less likely the Ich can get a hold of your
fish, but this is all just my opinion, and everyone has opinions ;o).
Mine just come before the morning )

NetMax

thanks for any suggestion you can offer!

linda



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Ich is a lot of tiny specs on the fish. If you see a single or a couple
large white spots then it's probably fungus, not ich. This is best left to
the fish's immune system to get rid of. Do not add any chemicals whatsoever.
Fungus on the fish is practically harmless. I've had this on my bronze cory
and I just waited and it slowly went away as the fish's immune system fought
it off.

Dave.

"LM" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

today, when I was looking at my fish, I found one small white spot on back
of one of my otos... hmm... I'm HOPING it's not ich, but it's likely

that
it is..

Now I know I need to run to the nearest LFS and get some drugs within the
next day or so, but here are my questions that I was hoping to get:

1. which is the best medication on market? are otos sensitive to certain
types of medication? (I assume I need to treat the whole tank anyways)

2. one of my little whiteclouds had an "accident" over the weekend and

has
an injured head (not quite an open wound I don't think, but has injury on
his head... I'll post story on r.a.f.m later if you're interested..).

will
the ich medication hurt it?

3. I have plants that are copper-sensitive... do common medication

contain
copper that I need to be aware of?

4. can I treat it without raising temp? (or is this just for sal****er
treatment?) I have whiteclouds, and they won't like temperatures much

above
78F...

5. after medication, do I need to use carbon to clean it, or some drastic
water changes enough to dilute the medicine? (how toxic is it to fish)

How
do I know that the medication is all filtered out? (will be using
aquaclear200 powerfilter on a 37G)

I have white clouds, gold danios and otos in a very densely planted

tank...
the tank is kept at around 76F.

thanks for any suggestion you can offer!

linda



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linda mar
 
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Hi All,

thank you for all your reply! it seems like it will be best to see if
things get worse or get better for a bit before I start dosing medications.
(and a learned lesson not to freak out with the first sign of any disease
that may or may not be one..)

I will, however, get a bottle of Rid-Ich+ (which seems to be recommended on
many of the google-searched sites) just in case I need to do something.

for now, I'll do some moderate water changes every other day (and vacuum!)
in hopes of diluting any harmful organisms in the tank and hope for the
best..

the "seemingly infected oto" is so far happily eating away, so.. hopefully
that is a good sign.

thank you! you guys are wonderful!

linda

"Dave M. Picklyk" wrote in message
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Ich is a lot of tiny specs on the fish. If you see a single or a couple
large white spots then it's probably fungus, not ich. This is best left to
the fish's immune system to get rid of. Do not add any chemicals

whatsoever.
Fungus on the fish is practically harmless. I've had this on my bronze

cory
and I just waited and it slowly went away as the fish's immune system

fought
it off.

Dave.

"LM" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

today, when I was looking at my fish, I found one small white spot on

back
of one of my otos... hmm... I'm HOPING it's not ich, but it's likely

that
it is..

Now I know I need to run to the nearest LFS and get some drugs within

the
next day or so, but here are my questions that I was hoping to get:

1. which is the best medication on market? are otos sensitive to

certain
types of medication? (I assume I need to treat the whole tank anyways)

2. one of my little whiteclouds had an "accident" over the weekend and

has
an injured head (not quite an open wound I don't think, but has injury

on
his head... I'll post story on r.a.f.m later if you're interested..).

will
the ich medication hurt it?

3. I have plants that are copper-sensitive... do common medication

contain
copper that I need to be aware of?

4. can I treat it without raising temp? (or is this just for sal****er
treatment?) I have whiteclouds, and they won't like temperatures much

above
78F...

5. after medication, do I need to use carbon to clean it, or some

drastic
water changes enough to dilute the medicine? (how toxic is it to fish)

How
do I know that the medication is all filtered out? (will be using
aquaclear200 powerfilter on a 37G)

I have white clouds, gold danios and otos in a very densely planted

tank...
the tank is kept at around 76F.

thanks for any suggestion you can offer!

linda







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