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How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
In ble.rogers.com,
"Marvin Hlavac" empowered us with this mighty blow against the Patriarchy: Hi everyone, Would you mind sharing how many are in your clean up crew? For algae eaters, I have only a flagfish (Jordanella floridae) and an oto. I have a small amount of beard algae, which I personally don't mind (actually my cherry barbs pick at it a bit). I have some black beard algae which I find I can reduce by making sure I prune back plants at the surface to let in more light, and remember to fertilize regularly. This is in a 29gal heavily planted tank with 65 watts light and DIY CO2 injection. |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
From: "Marvin Hlavac"
Would you mind sharing how many are in your clean up crew? Marvin, I have 9 SAE's, about 25 otto's, 2 American Flag Fish, 4 P. bridgesi apple snails in a 125 gallon. I'd love to get some Amano shrimp and am thinking about getting a bristle nose pleco. The only algae's I have is a strange "hair algae on the gravel that resembles a miniture Java Moss but it's not a problem, the BGA is-I can get rid of it but it comes back after a few weeks (sigh). Keith Moore |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
72 gallon bowfront, heavily planted, CO2 injected.
5 Otos 3 large SAEs 2 adult and some juvenile Ancristrus sp. bushynose catfish 10+ amano shrimp Otos seem to thrive for a while, then die when their food runs out. I think I may have broken that cycle by occasionally feeding Pleco Passion seaweed treat along with the zuchini for my bushynose. The Otos seem to eat that and live longer. |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
Thanks Billy, N8, Leigh, Dave, Keith, Dave, Ross, Jeff, Bruce,
The reason I posted the question was that a few days earlier green hair algae started to develop on the leaves of my sword plants. At first I ignored it but a few days later it was obvious an action needed to be taken. It that time I only had some older Otto's. Algae developed even though the Otto's were present in the aquarium. I went to Big Al's and got 4 young 1 inch long SAE's. They helped extremely fast. 48 hours later about 50% of algae was gone and 72 hours after SAE's were introduced to the aquarium about 90% of the problem has been solved. The only question now is: do we really need Otto's? Is there something they do SAE's cannot do? thanks, Marvin |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
"ddaquaria" wrote Otos; 1-3 per 5 gallons SAE: 1 per 20 gallons Amano Shrimp : as many as I can afford Singapore Shrimp: no more than 2 per tank This is how I set up my 120s. big D Hi big D I'm contemplating not keeping Otto's in the future. Instead I plant to have SAE's only. Many people however like to keep both. Do you think Otto's can serve some purpose even though SAE's are in your tank already? Marvin |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
in article gers.com,
Marvin Hlavac at am wrote on 10/24/02 8:39 PM: "ddaquaria" wrote Otos; 1-3 per 5 gallons SAE: 1 per 20 gallons Amano Shrimp : as many as I can afford Singapore Shrimp: no more than 2 per tank This is how I set up my 120s. big D Hi big D I'm contemplating not keeping Otto's in the future. Instead I plant to have SAE's only. Many people however like to keep both. Do you think Otto's can serve some purpose even though SAE's are in your tank already? Marvin I use SAE to control black brush or any other weird hard to get rid of algae. I use Otos as my cleaning crew for soft algae. I have over 450W running each 120Gal, and the only algaes that are in my tank is green spot on the glass and black spot in directly lit areas. Therefore I can only conclude that my cleaning crew is doing its job - as well as I'm doing my job keeping the tank in balance. I think Otos do serve a purpose, but since they eat so little you just don't notice sometimes. If you replaced otos with some type of algae eating plxco then I could understand. I don't use plxcs in my plant tanks since everyone of them has eaten my swords. (please no responses with "my plxco doesn't eat my swords" or "do you have any driftwood in the tank for them" - Remember mileage may vary) Hope that helps a little. big D -- Remove the word ³REMOVE² to reply to me. Check out my fish site @ http://homepage.mac.com/tx_longhorn/ddaquaria/ Or just a whole lot of macro and aquarium pictures @ http://homepage.mac.com/ddaquaria/ |
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Singapore Shrimp: no more than 2 per tank
Why no more than 2 per tank? Singapore shrimp seem to be extremely social creatures. They hang out together in "schools." (Or whatever you call groups of shrimp!) IME, the more, the merrier. (I try to avoid keeping them singly.) Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
How many Otto's, SAE's etc. do you use?
Xref: 127.0.0.1 rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants:65540
The only question now is: do we really need Otto's? Is there something they do SAE's cannot do? IME, they eat different kinds of algae. SAEs eat mostly filamentous algae. (They don't have sucker mouths, so can't suck algae off the glass like otos, pl*cos, etc., can.) Otos like "flat" algae: the kind that grows on the glass, or flat on the leaves of plants. The otos' small size allows them to perch on delicate leaves and clean them of algae, when larger fish like pl*cos cannot. A good replacement for otos are snails. They eat the same type of algae, and, like otos, can clean the most delicate leaves of algae without harming them. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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in article , LeighMo at
oSpam wrote on 10/25/02 5:47 AM: Singapore Shrimp: no more than 2 per tank Why no more than 2 per tank? Singapore shrimp seem to be extremely social creatures. They hang out together in "schools." (Or whatever you call groups of shrimp!) IME, the more, the merrier. (I try to avoid keeping them singly.) Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ That is just my magic number for Singapore shrimp. They look good in the tank, but they don't seem to do a lot of work. Around here singapore shrimp are $8+ each, and I would rather put that towards more otos (Smile). -- Remove the word ³REMOVE² to reply to me. Check out my fish site @ http://homepage.mac.com/tx_longhorn/ddaquaria/ Or just a whole lot of macro and aquarium pictures @ http://homepage.mac.com/ddaquaria/ |
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That is just my magic number for Singapore shrimp. They look good in the
tank, but they don't seem to do a lot of work. Around here singapore shrimp are $8+ each, and I would rather put that towards more otos (Smile). Understood! They are about $6 each here, but still awfully pricey. I don't keep them as algae eaters or scavengers. I keep them because they are cool critters! g Someone here was saying their singapore shrimp bred in the tank. I wish mine would. Then I'd have lots of them, without going broke. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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"LeighMo" wrote in message ... The only question now is: do we really need Otto's? Is there something they do SAE's cannot do? IME, they eat different kinds of algae. SAEs eat mostly filamentous algae. (They don't have sucker mouths, so can't suck algae off the glass like otos, pl*cos, etc., can.) Otos like "flat" algae: the kind that grows on the glass, or flat on the leaves of plants. The otos' small size allows them to perch on delicate leaves and clean them of algae, when larger fish like pl*cos cannot. A good replacement for otos are snails. They eat the same type of algae, and, like otos, can clean the most delicate leaves of algae without harming them. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ ....in that case I'd better keep some otto's. I do have the green on side walls. It doesn't bother me much though at this point. All other algae is under control, knock on the wood. (now watch for my algae question tomorrow ;-) Marvin |
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Leigh,
I looked into this recently, getting snails to cover for the Ottos, and from what all I could read/find, snails would most likely destroy my plants. I'd still be very interested in a snail or two ;) *IF* I could be positive that my plants would be safe. OH.....3 Ottos and 1 SAE (5 gal. soon to be replaced by 10gal) Chris On 25 Oct 2002 10:58:05 GMT, oSpam (LeighMo) wrote: The only question now is: do we really need Otto's? Is there something they do SAE's cannot do? IME, they eat different kinds of algae. SAEs eat mostly filamentous algae. (They don't have sucker mouths, so can't suck algae off the glass like otos, pl*cos, etc., can.) Otos like "flat" algae: the kind that grows on the glass, or flat on the leaves of plants. The otos' small size allows them to perch on delicate leaves and clean them of algae, when larger fish like pl*cos cannot. A good replacement for otos are snails. They eat the same type of algae, and, like otos, can clean the most delicate leaves of algae without harming them. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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Could you remcomend a non-common type that is a non-plant eater and
also is not a-sexual? I'd still like to have one as long as it leaves the plants alone and doesn't multiply. Thanks tho! Chris On 27 Nov 2002 21:35:43 GMT, oSpam (LeighMo) wrote: I looked into this recently, getting snails to cover for the Ottos, and from what all I could read/find, snails would most likely destroy my plants. That has not been my experience. I've got a variety of snails in my tanks, and they don't eat my plants. There are some snails that eat plants, and should be avoided. Most species of apple/mystery snails -- except Pomacea bridgesii, the spike-topped apple snail -- can't be trusted with plants. Columbian ramshorns (the ones that grow to be 1" across) are also plant-eaters. But the others commonly found in aquariums prefer algae and leftover fishfood. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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Thanks for that info.
Is this particular species of apple snail common enough that I shoud be able to find one in a local store? Chris Pomacea bridgesii -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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In article , RifRaf
wrote: Thanks for that info. Is this particular species of apple snail common enough that I shoud be able to find one in a local store? Chris Pomacea bridgesii Would one of these be clown loach(small) safe? Scott |
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Leigh, thnx for the great info. The applesnail site has a forum
where it looks like several people there are selling various types. I'd feel safer getting one from these guys than a store I think. On 28 Nov 2002 03:17:25 GMT, oSpam (LeighMo) wrote: Is this particular species of apple snail common enough that I shoud be able to find one in a local store? Yes, but you have to know what you are looking for. Most of the snails sold in pet stores as apple snails, mystery snails, golden inca snails, ivory snails, etc., are either Pomacea bridgesii or Pomacea canaliculata. Unfortunately, P. canaliculata is an underwater lawnmower, so you have to be careful not to get one of those. They look very similar, and they both come in many color morphs (gold, white, brown, black, etc.). You have to look at the shell shape to tell them apart. And the vast majority of LFS employees don't know a thing about snails, so don't expect much help from them. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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If I could find someone.....I would. But, after seeing the many
different *cool* colors they can be, didn't realize this, I'd really like to ba able to pick out a specific color since I only need 1. Chris You could also get one from this ng. Many planted tank keepers keep P. bridgesii. Eileen was giving away baby snails a little whilte ago; maybe she still has some. Of course, if you want a particular color, you're probably better off buying one. Leigh -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- |
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Allen Smith wrote:
to pick up some more ottos, and possibly some wood shrimp. I've heard good things about them verses amano shrimp, and might try to keep a pair or trio and see how they do. Wood shrimp are cool, but they don't eat algae. -- Victor M. Martinez | The University of Texas at Austin | Department of Chemical Engineering http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv | Austin, TX 78712 If we knew what we were doing it would not be called research, would it? |
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