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Hagen C02 Natural Plant System question
Okay, keep in mind that I'm a beginner. I purchased the Nutrafin system CO2
system because it looked like a good solution for my tank and it wouldn't be an eyesore in my house. I just have one problem, I cannot get it to produce any CO2 yet that I can see. The yeast, sugar, baking soda and water have been in the reactor for over 24 hours now and still no CO2 bubbles can be seen. The directions say that the fermentation should produce CO2 within 2-10 hours, but my setup has been going for much longer than that now. I checked the hose and made sure the cap was screwed on tightly on the reactor. I followed the directions verbatim, but no luck yet. Has anyone else had a simlar experience? Also, if anyone has any tips they'd be greatly appreciated at this point. Thanks. Daniel |
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The yeast in the bag is probably dead. May be got frozen, or overheated
before you have bought the system and died. So get yourself some yeast from the baking section of the food store. "Daniel C. Smith" wrote in message ... Okay, keep in mind that I'm a beginner. I purchased the Nutrafin system CO2 system because it looked like a good solution for my tank and it wouldn't be an eyesore in my house. I just have one problem, I cannot get it to produce any CO2 yet that I can see. The yeast, sugar, baking soda and water have been in the reactor for over 24 hours now and still no CO2 bubbles can be seen. The directions say that the fermentation should produce CO2 within 2-10 hours, but my setup has been going for much longer than that now. I checked the hose and made sure the cap was screwed on tightly on the reactor. I followed the directions verbatim, but no luck yet. Has anyone else had a simlar experience? Also, if anyone has any tips they'd be greatly appreciated at this point. Thanks. Daniel |
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"Daniel C. Smith" wrote in message ... Okay, keep in mind that I'm a beginner. I purchased the Nutrafin system CO2 system because it looked like a good solution for my tank and it wouldn't be an eyesore in my house. I just have one problem, I cannot get it to produce any CO2 yet that I can see. The yeast, sugar, baking soda and water have been in the reactor for over 24 hours now and still no CO2 bubbles can be seen. The directions say that the fermentation should produce CO2 within 2-10 hours, but my setup has been going for much longer than that now. I checked the hose and made sure the cap was screwed on tightly on the reactor. I followed the directions verbatim, but no luck yet. Has anyone else had a simlar experience? Also, if anyone has any tips they'd be greatly appreciated at this point. Thanks. Daniel Dan, There are a few things to consider. Was the water too hot? Better too cool than to hot. Have you taken the diffuser out of the tank or taken the hose off the container or opened the container? It is a pressure system. The CO2 has to build up a head of pressure before it makes its way up the tube, forces the water in the tube out, and then starts producing bubbles. The first bubbles will be air, and then the CO2 comes later. It seems that Hagen supply too much stabiliser for some peoples setup. I only use half the stabiliser they supply. My first batch with the full amount did as yours did. There are at least two others on here that had the same problem. hth Phil. |
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In , "Philip Ash"
empowered us with this mighty blow against the Patriarchy: "Daniel C. Smith" wrote in message ... Okay, keep in mind that I'm a beginner. I purchased the Nutrafin system CO2 system because it looked like a good solution for my tank and it wouldn't be an eyesore in my house. I just have one problem, I cannot get it to produce any CO2 yet that I can see. The yeast, sugar, baking soda and water have been in the reactor for over 24 hours now and still no CO2 bubbles can be seen. The directions say that the fermentation should produce CO2 within 2-10 hours, but my setup has been going for much longer than that now. I checked the hose and made sure the cap was screwed on tightly on the reactor. I followed the directions verbatim, but no luck yet. Has anyone else had a simlar experience? Also, if anyone has any tips they'd be greatly appreciated at this point. Thanks. Daniel Dan, There are a few things to consider. Was the water too hot? Better too cool than to hot. Have you taken the diffuser out of the tank or taken the hose off the container or opened the container? It is a pressure system. The CO2 has to build up a head of pressure before it makes its way up the tube, forces the water in the tube out, and then starts producing bubbles. The first bubbles will be air, and then the CO2 comes later. It seems that Hagen supply too much stabiliser for some peoples setup. I only use half the stabiliser they supply. My first batch with the full amount did as yours did. There are at least two others on here that had the same problem. In addition to the replies already posted .... I set up this system and, after letting it sit for 24 hours, was only getting one bubble about every 10 seconds. It was only after letting it sit an additional day that I started getting a reasonable output. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the water used (hardness? don't know) that causes this delay to vary amongst people. With my regular DIY CO2 setup (2qt juice bottle, 8 cups sugar, 1/4 tsp yeast), I always need to wait at least 24 hours before I get an adequate amount of CO2, while others have said that they only need to wait a few hours. |
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Dave wrote:
I'm wondering if it has something to do with the water used (hardness? don't know) that causes this delay to vary amongst people. With my regular DIY CO2 setup (2qt juice bottle, 8 cups sugar, 1/4 tsp yeast), I always need to wait at least 24 hours before I get an adequate amount of CO2, while others have said that they only need to wait a few hours. I wouldn't say that water hardness has anything to do with it. I have liquid rock here. Personally I think it has more to do with the preperation of the batch itself. I run a DIY yeast system on my 75 gallon tank. 3 2-liter bottles, with a staggered change ~2 weeks on each bottle. My recipe is a bit different though. 3/4 cup sugar, 1.5l water, 1/4 tsp yeast. I use tepid water in a small cup with 1 tsp of sugar to "foam" the yeast before introducing it into the bottle. Tepid being slightly warm, not quite cold. I let the bottle sit open for 30-45 minutes at room temp (74F). I always get production in an hour. I grew up in a bakery which is where I learned the benefits of foaming the yeast first. It gets them cranking faster.. YMMV |
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In , Craig Morrison
empowered us with this mighty blow against the Patriarchy: Dave wrote: I'm wondering if it has something to do with the water used (hardness? don't know) that causes this delay to vary amongst people. With my regular DIY CO2 setup (2qt juice bottle, 8 cups sugar, 1/4 tsp yeast), I always need to wait at least 24 hours before I get an adequate amount of CO2, while others have said that they only need to wait a few hours. I wouldn't say that water hardness has anything to do with it. I have liquid rock here. Personally I think it has more to do with the preperation of the batch itself. I run a DIY yeast system on my 75 gallon tank. 3 2-liter bottles, with a staggered change ~2 weeks on each bottle. My recipe is a bit different though. 3/4 cup sugar, 1.5l water, 1/4 tsp yeast. I use tepid water in a small cup with 1 tsp of sugar to "foam" the yeast before introducing it into the bottle. Tepid being slightly warm, not quite cold. I let the bottle sit open for 30-45 minutes at room temp (74F). I always get production in an hour. I grew up in a bakery which is where I learned the benefits of foaming the yeast first. It gets them cranking faster.. YMMV Sounds reasonable, but ... why does putting the yeast into tepid water in a small cup with 1 tsp of sugar cause it to activate more quickly? Versus being put into a two quart bottle with tepid water and 8 cups of sugar? |
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First of all, thanks everyone for being so helpful. I decided to wait a
little bit longer and now I'm finally seeing a few bubbles, but it's only like one bubble every 5 minutes or so, so I still think something is wrong. I'm going to go to the store tomorrow to pick up some wine yeast (everyone says it is better) and I'll add it to my current batch to see if it ups the CO2 production. Thanks again to everyone. Daniel. "Anton Valouev" wrote in message ... The yeast in the bag is probably dead. May be got frozen, or overheated before you have bought the system and died. So get yourself some yeast from the baking section of the food store. "Daniel C. Smith" wrote in message ... Okay, keep in mind that I'm a beginner. I purchased the Nutrafin system CO2 system because it looked like a good solution for my tank and it wouldn't be an eyesore in my house. I just have one problem, I cannot get it to produce any CO2 yet that I can see. The yeast, sugar, baking soda and water have been in the reactor for over 24 hours now and still no CO2 bubbles can be seen. The directions say that the fermentation should produce CO2 within 2-10 hours, but my setup has been going for much longer than that now. I checked the hose and made sure the cap was screwed on tightly on the reactor. I followed the directions verbatim, but no luck yet. Has anyone else had a simlar experience? Also, if anyone has any tips they'd be greatly appreciated at this point. Thanks. Daniel |
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"Daniel C. Smith" wrote in message m...
First of all, thanks everyone for being so helpful. I decided to wait a little bit longer and now I'm finally seeing a few bubbles, but it's only like one bubble every 5 minutes or so, so I still think something is wrong. I'm going to go to the store tomorrow to pick up some wine yeast (everyone says it is better) and I'll add it to my current batch to see if it ups the CO2 production. Thanks again to everyone. Here's one thing I noticed yesterday... I too wasn't getting any bubbles after 24 hrs. Even though I had the tubing nicely coiled...I had a suspicion. So I cut the 4 foot tube that comes with the Hagen system down to what it needed without any coiling. Now I'm getting bubbles. Less resistance helps. I figure if I need the 4 feet back, I can call Hagen. They were quite helpful in the past. |
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"Philip Ash" wrote in message ...
[snip] Dan, There are a few things to consider. Was the water too hot? Better too cool than to hot. Have you taken the diffuser out of the tank or taken the hose off the container or opened the container? It is a pressure system. The CO2 has to build up a head of pressure before it makes its way up the tube, forces the water in the tube out, and then starts producing bubbles. The first bubbles will be air, and then the CO2 comes later. It seems that Hagen supply too much stabiliser for some peoples setup. I only use half the stabiliser they supply. My first batch with the full amount did as yours did. There are at least two others on here that had the same problem. hth Phil. I've also been using one of the Hagen CO2 units and I guess I must've gotten a good batch of yeast. I used to use the DIY system as described in thekrib - and that would usually take 2-3 hours before it would start to work. But with my first batch of the Hagen CO2, the reaction was almost instantaneous i.e. in less than 5 minutes bubbles were already coming out. Terence |
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Hagen C02 Natural Plant System question
Dave wrote:
I grew up in a bakery which is where I learned the benefits of foaming the yeast first. It gets them cranking faster.. YMMV Sounds reasonable, but ... why does putting the yeast into tepid water in a small cup with 1 tsp of sugar cause it to activate more quickly? Versus being put into a two quart bottle with tepid water and 8 cups of sugar? Smaller vessel, more contact between the yeast and food source. |
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Hagen C02 Natural Plant System question
Sounds like you got things working....I had the same problem (no
bubbles for 24 h)...then I cut the hose and placed the diffuser closer to the bottle. The bubbles started slowly but before long I had a steady stream with a bubble every 2-3 seconds. The bubbles stayed the same size all the way through the diffuser for the first few days but now they shrink down to nothing - perfect! I started it on 12/17 and it is still running strong. |
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