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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
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Hi,
I just received one of these plants by mail order the other day- Nymphaea
Maculata (red african tiger lotus lily)
(http://www.aquaticplants.eu.com/40774152/4147.htm). I have planted it, and
already a few (2-3) of the 5/6 leaves have fallen off from the base. It is a
very delicate plant which wasnt in *wonderfull* condition when i unwrapped
it. The leaves had a few holes and rips in them and the stem was a bit
bashed where it goes in to the root. There was no rhizome as it is protected
by C.I.T.I.E.S the catalouge says. But it does have healthy looking roots.
Now, im not too bothered about the leaves falling off IF new ones will grow
back from the root. Will this happen do you think?
My water is mature, soft, and has fertilizer added (tropica master grow),
and sufficient light to support other plants i have which require much
higher light intensity (various Rotala species).
Every other plant is thriving!
So what will happen with my lovely new plant?

Thanks,
Lynsey.



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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
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How deep should i have in planted then? its probably only 1cm from the top
of gravel. Do you think thats ok?
Do you have a preffered make of root tabs? Should it be high iron im looking
for?
I dont have additional CO2 added - but i have fish!!! they do that for me!
Its only a 10g (Uk) tank that is quite heavily stocked, but i think it is
balanced out by the fact it is resonably heavily planted. Thats my theory
anyway and it worls for me!
Sorry for all the questions!
Lynsey.
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I have planted it, and
already a few (2-3) of the 5/6 leaves have fallen off from the base.


Don't worry about it. The leaves of this plant are very delicate, and

often
don't survive shipping. But they'll grow back, very quickly. It will

produce
a new leaf every day, if conditions are to its liking.

In addition to lots of light and CO2, these plants like root

fertilization.
Put a root tab or two in the substrate near it, and it will grow like

crazy.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/



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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:48:16 -0000, "lynsey"
wrote:

I dont have additional CO2 added - but i have fish!!! they do that for me!


While I'm not saying you need CO2 injection (I've seen and setup many
planted tanks without CO2), the fish do not supply any measurable
amount of CO2.

Plants on land have access to approximate 350ppm of CO2 from the air.
In the water, the level of CO2 about 100 times less, or about 3.5ppm.

The tiny amount fish produce doesn't do anything for the levels. The
main source of CO2 from a non-injected tank is CO2 dissolving into the
water from the air. That is why, in a non-injected tank, it's
important to have good aeration and water circulation.

My 29g tank ran for several years with low-medium light and no CO2.
And last month, I helped a friend set up a low-tech planted tank, not
much light, and no CO2 injection. It's got some bba algae growth, but
overall things look pretty good.


Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua
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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
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Hey,
Theres now a root tab next to its roots. Its API's root tabs. Hopefully that
will work.
Theres 3 remaining stems coming out of the root - but 2 of them are all
transculent and going-to-fall-off-soon looking. Theres one still going
strong though.
I really hope it does start sending off a shoot or too soon. But im
pesamistic so think it wont! How long do you think would be resonable for
it to send out a new shoot?
My disbelief in the plant comes from the fact that it does not have the bulb
attached - its only a lttle bit of root there. But, on the other hand my
biology side is saying that the bulbs only there to provide the seed with
food when it was firstly dispersed!

Also, from the company that i ordered the plant from, it said that it needed
'below average flourescent'.(the link i gave out before) That was one of
the resons i chose it!

Thanks again,
Lynsey.
"LeighMo" wrote in message
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How deep should i have in planted then? its probably only 1cm from the

top
of gravel. Do you think thats ok?


Yes, that should be okay. It will produce more roots, and go deeper on

its
own.

Do you have a preffered make of root tabs? Should it be high iron im

looking
for?


I'm in the U.S., so I'm not sure naming brands would do any good. But I

give
mine Flourish tabs (which are iron and other trace elements), as well as

AP
Plant Tabs or Jobe's spikes (which have nitrogen, potassium, and

phosphate).

I dont have additional CO2 added - but i have fish!!! they do that for

me!
Its only a 10g (Uk) tank that is quite heavily stocked, but i think it is
balanced out by the fact it is resonably heavily planted. Thats my theory
anyway and it worls for me!


These plants need a lot of light. If you don't need to inject CO2, you
probably don't have enough light for one of these plants. At the very

least,
it will lose a lot of its red color.

I dunno, maybe it will be okay, since you only have a 10 gallon tank. The
plant will be close to the lights. But if it does grow for you, it will
quickly outgrow a 10 gallon tank.

My first tiger lotus was given to me, because it had outgrown its owner's

29
gallon tank. They can get to be immense, over 2' tall, with leaves 8" or

more
across.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/



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I completley didnt know that. I would have assumed that the fish supply the
majority of the CO2. you learn a new thing every day!
I have an internal filter, and the filter top is slightly over the surface
to create extra movenent of the water (although, am i correct in saying that
plants arent fond of moving water?)also, there is plenty of outside air
getting to the waters surface (the glass on the top of my tank is raised
slightly.

Thanks for your helpful info!
Lynsey.
"Chuck Gadd" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:48:16 -0000, "lynsey"
wrote:

I dont have additional CO2 added - but i have fish!!! they do that for

me!

While I'm not saying you need CO2 injection (I've seen and setup many
planted tanks without CO2), the fish do not supply any measurable
amount of CO2.

Plants on land have access to approximate 350ppm of CO2 from the air.
In the water, the level of CO2 about 100 times less, or about 3.5ppm.

The tiny amount fish produce doesn't do anything for the levels. The
main source of CO2 from a non-injected tank is CO2 dissolving into the
water from the air. That is why, in a non-injected tank, it's
important to have good aeration and water circulation.

My 29g tank ran for several years with low-medium light and no CO2.
And last month, I helped a friend set up a low-tech planted tank, not
much light, and no CO2 injection. It's got some bba algae growth, but
overall things look pretty good.


Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua





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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
lynsey
 
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Thanks very much!
As a note - i had a look at your site and your tank is really nicely done,
the plants are of a nice range and all positioned perfectly! Very pleasing
to look at!

Lynsey.
"LeighMo" wrote in message
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Theres now a root tab next to its roots. Its API's root tabs. Hopefully

that
will work.
Theres 3 remaining stems coming out of the root - but 2 of them are all
transculent and going-to-fall-off-soon looking. Theres one still going
strong though.
I really hope it does start sending off a shoot or too soon. But im
pesamistic so think it wont! How long do you think would be resonable

for
it to send out a new shoot?


I dunno, maybe a week? Mine put out a new leaf every day, as soon as I

plnated
it, but I keep mine with a lot more light than you have, and injected CO2.

My disbelief in the plant comes from the fact that it does not have the

bulb
attached - its only a lttle bit of root there. But, on the other hand my
biology side is saying that the bulbs only there to provide the seed with
food when it was firstly dispersed!


I've had no trouble transplanting these, even with just the roots. As

long as
the roots are white and healthy, it should be okay.

Also, from the company that i ordered the plant from, it said that it

needed
'below average flourescent'.(the link i gave out before) That was one of
the resons i chose it!


IME, the Nymphaea all need high light. But maybe yours will be okay,

since
it's in a small tank, close to the lights. Best of luck with it!



Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/



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I really like the look of carpeting type plants, i think it makes the tank
look that bit more 'natural'. I had thought about buying some when i just
got my new plants last week, but i decided there was no point at all because
i have 2 weather loaches which just LOVE to bury themselfes and root around
in the gravel all night!

And an update on my problen plant - when i came back this evening from work,
there was no leaves attached to it anymore :-( So i had a wee look to see
what the root was like and its all brown and just about dead i think. Ive
replanted it anyway - right at the front where theres no shading from other
plants - and see if it comes back to life. I doubt it!
I just dont think it survived being in a box getting from one side of the
country to the other for a day and a half. It was the most delicate plant id
ever seen/had.
Do you think there would be any point in trimming the roots right down to
see if they would propigate again? Or best just to leave it alone where it
is?

So when do you recon your going to put up some new tank photos? Ive had a
look at the links to peoples tanks that theyve posted over the last wee
while. I cant remember seeing any that i didnt think were good!

Thanks,
Lynsey.
"LeighMo" wrote in message
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As a note - i had a look at your site and your tank is really nicely

done,
the plants are of a nice range and all positioned perfectly! Very

pleasing
to look at!


Thank you. :-)

It looks a little different now. I should put up a new photo. There's

hardly
any gravel visible. The glosso and marsilea are waging a turf war, trying

to
see who can take over the tank.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/



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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
lynsey
 
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I would just leave it as it is for now. Maybe it will grow back. If

not -- as
I said, I really don't think you have enough light for this plant.

Too late... the loaches decided its fate during the night! I think they dug
it up, its now attached to the filter!
Oh well.....
Your help was appreciated,
Thanks,
Lynsey.




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Old 20-04-2003, 07:20 AM
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I have some Dwarf Lillies ( i think they are some sort of apongenaton bulb) and
they seem to grow best in my 10 with the really high circulation..(this is my
krib tank..and they seeem to like the river-like setting...)

lynsey wrote:

I completley didnt know that. I would have assumed that the fish supply the
majority of the CO2. you learn a new thing every day!
I have an internal filter, and the filter top is slightly over the surface
to create extra movenent of the water (although, am i correct in saying that
plants arent fond of moving water?)also, there is plenty of outside air
getting to the waters surface (the glass on the top of my tank is raised
slightly.

Thanks for your helpful info!
Lynsey.
"Chuck Gadd" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:48:16 -0000, "lynsey"
wrote:

I dont have additional CO2 added - but i have fish!!! they do that for

me!

While I'm not saying you need CO2 injection (I've seen and setup many
planted tanks without CO2), the fish do not supply any measurable
amount of CO2.

Plants on land have access to approximate 350ppm of CO2 from the air.
In the water, the level of CO2 about 100 times less, or about 3.5ppm.

The tiny amount fish produce doesn't do anything for the levels. The
main source of CO2 from a non-injected tank is CO2 dissolving into the
water from the air. That is why, in a non-injected tank, it's
important to have good aeration and water circulation.

My 29g tank ran for several years with low-medium light and no CO2.
And last month, I helped a friend set up a low-tech planted tank, not
much light, and no CO2 injection. It's got some bba algae growth, but
overall things look pretty good.


Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua




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