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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
Need help with logic, timing of addition of NO3 additives vs. measurement
of NO3 levels after addition. Is addition most beneficial in the AM? I want to attain 5 ppm (I'm up from zero to 0.2ppm). At what time, relative to nitrate addition, should I be doing the measurement? Directly after addition? or some period of time later, say 12 hrs? 24 hrs? The consensus would be to add macronutrients twice a week, but build up slowly so avoiding fish shock. Starting at under 1/2 dosage one M. praecox hit the dirt (gravel). Should I use daily additions to build up? (Light's dawning - I had to tear down, clean and replant the tanks maybe a month ago, perhaps I over cleaned the flourite? and hence the value of my N additions seem zilch until I build up some mulm?) Advice has it that extra fish food = any additional PO4 needs. My PO4 is close to my goal for NO3 at 5 ppm. What ratio of NO3/PO4 are the fish + feed providing? (Assume fish load and feeding are correct) What levels are they providing? Any rule of thumb? Dumb question 6 or 15 - Seachem's Nitrogen. They state their product is some form of ammonia??? Would residual nitrogen from that source not be picked up by NO3 testing (La Motte kit)? I get zero on NH4 measurements, as well. Frustrated with continued zero NO3 readings I switched to KNO3 and got small but measurable NO3. Any help on these questions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sharon. |
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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
SLEngst wrote:
Need help with logic, timing of addition of NO3 additives vs. measurement of NO3 levels after addition. Is addition most beneficial in the AM? I want to attain 5 ppm (I'm up from zero to 0.2ppm). At what time, relative to nitrate addition, should I be doing the measurement? Directly after addition? or some period of time later, say 12 hrs? 24 hrs? In general, you must wait "a while" to measure anything you've added. If you need to measure something you have dosed directly, such as measuring nitrate after dosing nitrate, an hour with sufficient circulation is probably enough. If you need to measure the RESULT of something you dosed, such as measuring pH after turning on CO2 or adding baking soda, many hours may be required (and the measurement changes over the course of the lighting period!) Another issue:Well mixed liquids diffuse to all areas of the tank quickly. If you are adding granules of something, you need to figure out or observe how long it takes the solid form to dissolve. If measurements are at stake, predissolve the solids to avoid this uncertainty. The consensus would be to add macronutrients twice a week, but build up slowly so avoiding fish shock. Starting at under 1/2 dosage one M. praecox hit the dirt (gravel). Should I use daily additions to build up? Slow is mandatory. I raised measured nitrate by less than 2ppm per week (near 0 to about 10 over 6 weeks) without ill effects on anyone. Plants liked it though! I prefer daily dosing for one simple reason: it's a simple habit to squirt 10 ml of prepared solution into the tank each morning, particularly when caffeine does not activate my brain for 2-3 more hours. When I was dosing twice weekly, I tended to lose track. (Light's dawning - I had to tear down, clean and replant the tanks maybe a month ago, perhaps I over cleaned the flourite? and hence the value of my N additions seem zilch until I build up some mulm?) You removed some nutrients. If you removed the majority of your aged mulm, then your nitrate production level may have gone down. But that does not change the "value of your N additions." You took out mulm which was contributing X ppm per day, that's all. |
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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
Dave, excellent advice. I'm predissolving KNO3 granules. As you were building
up from 2 - 10 ppm (I'm trying to build up from zero to 5) were you making measurements of your results say, an hour after dosing, or 12 hrs. after the plants had devoured the NO3? I.e., I'm not sure if I'm aiming for 5 ppm and hour after dosing in the AM or 12 hrs after dosing. Thanks, Sharon |
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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
NO3 measurements. Tom, you are right. The La Motte kit will do 0.2 nitrogen,
I forgot to multiply by the ??? 4.4 factor. So I'm up to 0.8+ but have a long way to go. No, I'm no longer using the Seachem Nitrogen. I wasn't sure I could measure where I was going. You may be right about the M. praecox going belly up for some reason other than NO3 addition, the females seem to outlive the males by a bunch. Thanks for the help, Sharon |
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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
On 28 Jan 2003 05:22:15 GMT, (SLEngst) wrote:
measure where I was going. You may be right about the M. praecox going belly up for some reason other than NO3 addition, the females seem to outlive the males by a bunch. I've got male praecox that are at least 4 years old.... Chuck Gadd http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua |
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Timing: NO3 addition/measurement
I wrote: measure where I was going. You may be right about the M. praecox going belly up for some reason other than NO3 addition, the females seem to outlive the males by a bunch. Chuck Gadd wrote: "I've got male praecox that are at least 4 years old...." Sorry, Chuck, I was really joking. However, I've yet to lose a female, but have lost several males. These were local lfs fish from who know's where. I'm being more selective about where I'm getting 'bows, these days. This little guy lost equilibrium, or boyancy - spent a day treading water vertically instead of swimming horizontally then succumed. The only change had been addition of Seachem Nitrogen. |
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