I've heard much about individuals using Jobes Plant Spikes in their
aquariums.......would anyone recommend using Miracle Grow Plant Spikes for
indoor plants and flowers? i'm a bit nervous testing them out. any
information appreciated. thanks






justin

"tinman" wrote in
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I've heard much about individuals using Jobes Plant Spikes in their
aquariums.......would anyone recommend using Miracle Grow Plant Spikes
for indoor plants and flowers? i'm a bit nervous testing them out.
any information appreciated. thanks

That is a BAD idea. If you do that, you will end up with dead fish, an
algae swamp, or possibly both.

The Jobe plant spikes are low in nitrogen and phosphate, which is why they
are suitable for aquaria. The Miracle-gro ones have a fair amount of both-
one is fish poison, one is algae food

~Empty

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are the Jobe sticks available in the UK ?

Its all about how much you dose and how much your tank will consume.
I know several well respected people in the hobby who use or have used
regular Miracle Gro (the blue granules) directly in their planted tanks with
moderate fish loads and had no problems. I'm not saying do it - if you don't
know what you're doing you'll cause more harm than good - but it has
been done in with success.

"LeighMo" wrote in message
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That is a BAD idea. If you do that, you will end up with dead fish, an
algae swamp, or possibly both.

Are you sure?

Several people have reported good results using the regular Jobe's, for
beautiful houseplants. They are 13-4-5. The Miracle Gro spikes are
6-12-6.
Lower in nitrogen, higher in phosphate.

I think it might be okay, as long as the spike is deeply buried in the
substrate. Personally, I find nitrate to be more a problem than
phosphate. My
tapwater has tons of phosphate in it, so I don't really need to add
phosphate,
but it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Fish don't seem bothered by it, and
it
doesn't cause algae problems.

The liquid Miracle Gro should definitely be avoided, since it's added
directly
to the water, but spikes... I think they might be worth a try. Just bury
them
deeply, and do not disturb the area for a month or more.


Leigh

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tose (LeighMo) wrote in
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Are you sure?

I am sure I would not put it in my tank like that.

I think it might be okay, as long as the spike is deeply buried in the
substrate. Personally, I find nitrate to be more a problem than
phosphate. My tapwater has tons of phosphate in it, so I don't really
need to add phosphate, but it doesn't seem to hurt anything. Fish
don't seem bothered by it, and it doesn't cause algae problems.

Nitrate is a problem for me too- I find high nitrate helps BBA grow better
:-/

~Empty
--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike

tose (LeighMo) wrote in
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Yeah. And it's not just algae. High levels of nitrate are stressful
for many fish. You can acclimate most of them to it, but they seem to
find lots of nitrate in the water to be more stressful than lots of
phosphate or potassium.

Well, yes, there are of course fish health problems. When I say "high" I am
not talking about "10 goldish in a ten gallon tank, 5% water changes once a
month". More like "oops missed a weekly water change last week"

~Empty

--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike

This is a totally unfounded Opinion. I use them and the work fine. You dont
get an algae swamp because their under your gravel (sand in my case) and not
in the water. Dont knock a product if you havent tried it.

Empty wrote:

"tinman" wrote in
:

I've heard much about individuals using Jobes Plant Spikes in their
aquariums.......would anyone recommend using Miracle Grow Plant Spikes
for indoor plants and flowers? i'm a bit nervous testing them out.
any information appreciated. thanks

That is a BAD idea. If you do that, you will end up with dead fish, an
algae swamp, or possibly both.

The Jobe plant spikes are low in nitrogen and phosphate, which is why they
are suitable for aquaria. The Miracle-gro ones have a fair amount of both-
one is fish poison, one is algae food

~Empty

--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike

Rich Conley wrote in
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This is a totally unfounded Opinion. I use them and the work fine. You
dont get an algae swamp because their under your gravel (sand in my
case) and not in the water. Dont knock a product if you havent tried
it.

OK, so I was wrong I just know what I would and would not put in my
tanks, YMMV.

~Empty

--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike