Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D



"Jody" wrote in message
...
I used to be a big proponent of using juice bottles as well, probably for
the same reasons you like them - sturdy bottles with larger base, and
larger
openings for adding ingredients. Then one day I discovered how much the
lids leak under pressure. When I pressed down on the lid, the bubble-rate
increased dramatically. I have sinced switched back to the soda bottles
which are clearly designed to hold in, guess what? CO2! The lids are
obviously more air-tight to keep the CO2 in and keep the fizz fresh in the
soda. I just wish the bottles' plastic wasn't so thin, and that the
bottoms
weren't so rounded. Many people set the bottles in little boxes to keep
them secure.

FWIW,
Jody

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Somebody suggested once that I have two generators going at once, and
stagger their replacement. In that fashion, it wouldn't matter too much
how
long the new one takes to start steady production, since the other will
continue. I'm going to hook two bottles up to a single
air-stone/impeller
input, with a check-valve for each before the T-junction. As soon as I
can
convince my 5 y.o. daughter to consume another 8L of cranberry juice,
that
is!

Cheers;
Duncan

"Rick" wrote in message
. ..

"Jody" wrote in message
news Thanks. I read the article as well. So it takes about a week
before
production is strong enough to hook-up?

Jody


my jello mix would start producing bubbles in a few hours. Mix it up
and
hook it up right away, no need to wait.

Rick

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually
wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D

I use small Gatorade bottles on my 10 gallon. I put a wire loop around them
and hook them on a hanger in back of the tank. Out of sight.

bob

Niiiiiice. I like that! There's no denying that a 4L jug is plenty
difficult to hide....

"Robert Flory" wrote in message
.com...

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually
wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but
they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing
they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea
for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing
soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a
few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D

I use small Gatorade bottles on my 10 gallon. I put a wire loop around
them
and hook them on a hanger in back of the tank. Out of sight.

bob

"Robert Flory" wrote in message
.com...

"Jody" wrote in message
...
Okay, what's the 'jello mixture'? Any links about it?

Thanks,
Jody

http://www.tomgriffin.com/aquasource/jello.shtml

or

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From: Rick
Subject: algae, co2, etc
View: Complete Thread (10 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
Date: 2003-04-08 07:08:33 PST

SNIP

2 x 85 g packages of regular jello, colour of your choice. Add 500 ml of
hot
water, dissolve to mix, add 1/2 cup of sugar and shake to mix, add 500 ml
of
cold water, shake to mix and then place in fridge overnight or until jello
sets. Once set add 500 ml of warm water, 1/4 tsp of bakers yeast or one
package of Champagne yeast (recommended) and a pinch of baking soda and
away
you go.

Rick


that sugar ratio is incorrect, I apologize for that. It should be 1.5 cups
of sugar not a 1/2 cup.

Rick

"Jody" wrote in message
news
Thanks. I read the article as well. So it takes about a week before
production is strong enough to hook-up?

Jody

Nah...... just add a dollop of sugar along with the water and yeast...That
will jump start it and keep it going until the yeast gets working well on
the Jell-O. It should be up and running in a few hours.

bob

I'm mixing a Lalvin wine yeast with baking yeast and get both a fast start and
a longer lasting batch than with just the baking yeast.

Wayne Jones used to hang-out in this group a lot, and he had lots of good
advice on yeasts and such. I dug-up on old response and am pasting it in
below just as an FYI.

Hey Wayne, what's that strain of wine yeast you have suggested before?
Sorry I can't remember.

Lalvin KV-1116 is the best that I have tried. I always thought before
that this was S. Cerevisae but it turns outs that S. Cerevisae is
composed of many strains of which Lalvin KV-1116 is only one. Any S.
Cerevisae seems to work fine though and I am sure that there are many
out there that will work even better. You can get super high alchohol
tolerant yeasts but I am not sure that is a good thing. If you do manage
to attain 20% alchohol content some of the methanol which is quite
volitile might make it into your fish tank. After all we are trying to
make CO2 and not high percentage alchohol drinks and any yeast will do
that. The problem with some yeasts with low alchohol tolerance is that
you would need a pretty large fermentor to produce enough CO2. There is
also the cost of the yeast. It can cost as much or more than the sugar.

Wayne

"SLEngst" wrote in message
...
I'm mixing a Lalvin wine yeast with baking yeast and get both a fast start
and
a longer lasting batch than with just the baking yeast.

I used to be a big proponent of using juice bottles as well, probably for
the same reasons you like them - sturdy bottles with larger base, and larger
openings for adding ingredients. Then one day I discovered how much the
lids leak under pressure. When I pressed down on the lid, the bubble-rate
increased dramatically. I have sinced switched back to the soda bottles
which are clearly designed to hold in, guess what? CO2! The lids are
obviously more air-tight to keep the CO2 in and keep the fizz fresh in the
soda. I just wish the bottles' plastic wasn't so thin, and that the bottoms
weren't so rounded. Many people set the bottles in little boxes to keep
them secure.

FWIW,
Jody

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Somebody suggested once that I have two generators going at once, and
stagger their replacement. In that fashion, it wouldn't matter too much
how
long the new one takes to start steady production, since the other will
continue. I'm going to hook two bottles up to a single air-stone/impeller
input, with a check-valve for each before the T-junction. As soon as I
can
convince my 5 y.o. daughter to consume another 8L of cranberry juice, that
is!

Cheers;
Duncan

"Rick" wrote in message
. ..

"Jody" wrote in message
news
Thanks. I read the article as well. So it takes about a week before
production is strong enough to hook-up?

Jody


my jello mix would start producing bubbles in a few hours. Mix it up and
hook it up right away, no need to wait.

Rick

Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D



"Jody" wrote in message
...
I used to be a big proponent of using juice bottles as well, probably for
the same reasons you like them - sturdy bottles with larger base, and
larger
openings for adding ingredients. Then one day I discovered how much the
lids leak under pressure. When I pressed down on the lid, the bubble-rate
increased dramatically. I have sinced switched back to the soda bottles
which are clearly designed to hold in, guess what? CO2! The lids are
obviously more air-tight to keep the CO2 in and keep the fizz fresh in the
soda. I just wish the bottles' plastic wasn't so thin, and that the
bottoms
weren't so rounded. Many people set the bottles in little boxes to keep
them secure.

FWIW,
Jody

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Somebody suggested once that I have two generators going at once, and
stagger their replacement. In that fashion, it wouldn't matter too much
how
long the new one takes to start steady production, since the other will
continue. I'm going to hook two bottles up to a single
air-stone/impeller
input, with a check-valve for each before the T-junction. As soon as I
can
convince my 5 y.o. daughter to consume another 8L of cranberry juice,
that
is!

Cheers;
Duncan

"Rick" wrote in message
. ..

"Jody" wrote in message
news Thanks. I read the article as well. So it takes about a week
before
production is strong enough to hook-up?

Jody


my jello mix would start producing bubbles in a few hours. Mix it up
and
hook it up right away, no need to wait.

Rick

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually
wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D

I use small Gatorade bottles on my 10 gallon. I put a wire loop around them
and hook them on a hanger in back of the tank. Out of sight.

bob

Niiiiiice. I like that! There's no denying that a 4L jug is plenty
difficult to hide....

"Robert Flory" wrote in message
.com...

"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
Thanks Jody, no sweat on accepting your very valid point. I actually
wasn't
sure about the leak-proofing on the juice jugs before I started, but
they
have the same plastic inserts as the pop bottles, so I'm guessing
they're
cool. I'm also using wire racks (effective for small tanks, BAD idea
for
large) which makes a pop bottle darned near impossible to stand upright
without a lot of praying! I'm half expecting them to need replacing
soon
regardless; someone has suggested that the silicone will fail within a
few
months. I guess we'll see!

Cheers;
D

I use small Gatorade bottles on my 10 gallon. I put a wire loop around
them
and hook them on a hanger in back of the tank. Out of sight.

bob