Xref: 127.0.0.1 rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants:62908

would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor? I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

"WD" wrote in message
t.net...

"Dustin" wrote in message
...

In this county, we are not zoned nor do we need contractors

I would rethink that. The need for the contractor has little to do with
the
law. The concern is that a 300 gallon tank (for example) will weigh in
excess of 3000 pounds (US). (water weighs over 8 pounds (US) per gallon,
plus filters, substrate, decor) Most frame houses cannot support this kind
of weight. If you put in a tank of that size in your home without
consulting
professional advice, you're going to have a disaster. Dead fish, broken
tank, broken house, impromptu swimming pool. I guarantee it. The cost of
repairing the damage will be much more than hiring someone who knows what
they're doing.

Xref: 127.0.0.1 rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants:62908

would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor? I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

"WD" wrote in message
t.net...

"Dustin" wrote in message
...

In this county, we are not zoned nor do we need contractors

I would rethink that. The need for the contractor has little to do with
the
law. The concern is that a 300 gallon tank (for example) will weigh in
excess of 3000 pounds (US). (water weighs over 8 pounds (US) per gallon,
plus filters, substrate, decor) Most frame houses cannot support this kind
of weight. If you put in a tank of that size in your home without
consulting
professional advice, you're going to have a disaster. Dead fish, broken
tank, broken house, impromptu swimming pool. I guarantee it. The cost of
repairing the damage will be much more than hiring someone who knows what
they're doing.

would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor?

Yes, it can be.

I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

Even if that's true...that means a 6' by 18" "footprint" will hold less than
2,000 pounds:

72" x 18" = 1296 square inches

1.5 x 1296 = 1944 pounds

So, in water alone: 1944 pounds /8.3 pounds per gallon = 234 gallons

But...it's not just water alone you have to worry about. There's also the
weight of the tank and stand, the gravel, rocks, driftwood, filter, hood, etc.
Plus the weight of anyone standing by the tank to watch it. :-)

And the real-life situation can be a lot more complicated. The weight won't be
distributed evenly over the "footprint." Depending on the stand you get, it
will distributed over four or six or eight small feet, or around the edges of
the stand. You definitely want the feet to be on the joists, if you have a
stand with feet.

In sum, I would really save the upstairs for smaller tanks. For the first
floor, if you have a slab, you'll probably be okay as long as you don't go
crazy. If you have a basement, shore up the first floor from the basement (you
can get "instant footings" from Home Depot). And do it *before* you set up the
tank. Once the tank is set up and filled, it's too late -- the beams are
already deformed.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor?

Yes, it can be.

I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

Even if that's true...that means a 6' by 18" "footprint" will hold less than
2,000 pounds:

72" x 18" = 1296 square inches

1.5 x 1296 = 1944 pounds

So, in water alone: 1944 pounds /8.3 pounds per gallon = 234 gallons

But...it's not just water alone you have to worry about. There's also the
weight of the tank and stand, the gravel, rocks, driftwood, filter, hood, etc.
Plus the weight of anyone standing by the tank to watch it. :-)

And the real-life situation can be a lot more complicated. The weight won't be
distributed evenly over the "footprint." Depending on the stand you get, it
will distributed over four or six or eight small feet, or around the edges of
the stand. You definitely want the feet to be on the joists, if you have a
stand with feet.

In sum, I would really save the upstairs for smaller tanks. For the first
floor, if you have a slab, you'll probably be okay as long as you don't go
crazy. If you have a basement, shore up the first floor from the basement (you
can get "instant footings" from Home Depot). And do it *before* you set up the
tank. Once the tank is set up and filled, it's too late -- the beams are
already deformed.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

Anyone have a HUGE tank?
Pics?

Have you seen this site:

http://www.mr4000.com

He's called "Mr. 4000" because he has a 4000 gallon tank!

He's also got a more moderate 750 gallon tank.

I would also recommend reading this page, however:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...ium_weight.php


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

Anyone have a HUGE tank?
Pics?

Have you seen this site:

http://www.mr4000.com

He's called "Mr. 4000" because he has a 4000 gallon tank!

He's also got a more moderate 750 gallon tank.

I would also recommend reading this page, however:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...ium_weight.php


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

Thats considering you have a wooden floor w/ crawl space or basement. I was
thinking about putting it on a concrete floor. with a custom built wood /
iron stand.


"WD" wrote in message
t.net...

"Dustin" wrote in message
...

In this county, we are not zoned nor do we need contractors

I would rethink that. The need for the contractor has little to do with
the
law. The concern is that a 300 gallon tank (for example) will weigh in
excess of 3000 pounds (US). (water weighs over 8 pounds (US) per gallon,
plus filters, substrate, decor) Most frame houses cannot support this kind
of weight. If you put in a tank of that size in your home without
consulting
professional advice, you're going to have a disaster. Dead fish, broken
tank, broken house, impromptu swimming pool. I guarantee it. The cost of
repairing the damage will be much more than hiring someone who knows what
they're doing.

Thats considering you have a wooden floor w/ crawl space or basement. I was
thinking about putting it on a concrete floor. with a custom built wood /
iron stand.


"WD" wrote in message
t.net...

"Dustin" wrote in message
...

In this county, we are not zoned nor do we need contractors

I would rethink that. The need for the contractor has little to do with
the
law. The concern is that a 300 gallon tank (for example) will weigh in
excess of 3000 pounds (US). (water weighs over 8 pounds (US) per gallon,
plus filters, substrate, decor) Most frame houses cannot support this kind
of weight. If you put in a tank of that size in your home without
consulting
professional advice, you're going to have a disaster. Dead fish, broken
tank, broken house, impromptu swimming pool. I guarantee it. The cost of
repairing the damage will be much more than hiring someone who knows what
they're doing.

I agree with Leigh here.

I put in 3 *24,000 lb* floor joysts before puttin in the tank. since I have
a full basement.

Its the strongest point in the house now


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor?

Yes, it can be.

I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

Even if that's true...that means a 6' by 18" "footprint" will hold less
than
2,000 pounds:

72" x 18" = 1296 square inches

1.5 x 1296 = 1944 pounds

So, in water alone: 1944 pounds /8.3 pounds per gallon = 234 gallons

But...it's not just water alone you have to worry about. There's also the
weight of the tank and stand, the gravel, rocks, driftwood, filter, hood,
etc.
Plus the weight of anyone standing by the tank to watch it. :-)

And the real-life situation can be a lot more complicated. The weight
won't be
distributed evenly over the "footprint." Depending on the stand you get,
it
will distributed over four or six or eight small feet, or around the edges
of
the stand. You definitely want the feet to be on the joists, if you have
a
stand with feet.

In sum, I would really save the upstairs for smaller tanks. For the first
floor, if you have a slab, you'll probably be okay as long as you don't go
crazy. If you have a basement, shore up the first floor from the basement
(you
can get "instant footings" from Home Depot). And do it *before* you set
up the
tank. Once the tank is set up and filled, it's too late -- the beams are
already deformed.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

I agree with Leigh here.

I put in 3 *24,000 lb* floor joysts before puttin in the tank. since I have
a full basement.

Its the strongest point in the house now


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
would this be a problem at all if you put it on the first floor?

Yes, it can be.

I've read
that all homes have to be spec'd to 1.5lbs/in^2 min, on EVERY floor

Even if that's true...that means a 6' by 18" "footprint" will hold less
than
2,000 pounds:

72" x 18" = 1296 square inches

1.5 x 1296 = 1944 pounds

So, in water alone: 1944 pounds /8.3 pounds per gallon = 234 gallons

But...it's not just water alone you have to worry about. There's also the
weight of the tank and stand, the gravel, rocks, driftwood, filter, hood,
etc.
Plus the weight of anyone standing by the tank to watch it. :-)

And the real-life situation can be a lot more complicated. The weight
won't be
distributed evenly over the "footprint." Depending on the stand you get,
it
will distributed over four or six or eight small feet, or around the edges
of
the stand. You definitely want the feet to be on the joists, if you have
a
stand with feet.

In sum, I would really save the upstairs for smaller tanks. For the first
floor, if you have a slab, you'll probably be okay as long as you don't go
crazy. If you have a basement, shore up the first floor from the basement
(you
can get "instant footings" from Home Depot). And do it *before* you set
up the
tank. Once the tank is set up and filled, it's too late -- the beams are
already deformed.


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

oh wow , what are your stats?
My 125 has a running total of 1799.03 right now. And ive only had it a
month.

Any Pics?


Dustin

"Christopher" wrote in message
ink.net...
$3k for a custom setup sounds mighty reasonable to me, I'm up to $2700 on
my
125g... (but that includes fish and food and such)

"350X_Rider" wrote in message
...
Where is the best place to custom order an Acrylic Tank? Guessing
Acrylic
is the best way to go on large tanks 200+gal?

When a friend researched putting a 200+ tank in his house, he had to
contract with a builder, for codes, foundation checking, load balancing,
structural integrity and other issues...

He found that some/alot of contractors know people who "custom install"
acrylic tanks per the blue prints from the owners...

You might find one such builder/contractor in your area... They can
build,
install, plumb, run your wires, whatever you need.... but yep, did cost
him
nearly $3k for a 285gallon tank in his living room... and in his kitchen
and
in his den... it's a 3 sided tank. it's something like 8feet long, 3feet
tall, 4feet wide

oh wow , what are your stats?
My 125 has a running total of 1799.03 right now. And ive only had it a
month.

Any Pics?


Dustin

"Christopher" wrote in message
ink.net...
$3k for a custom setup sounds mighty reasonable to me, I'm up to $2700 on
my
125g... (but that includes fish and food and such)

"350X_Rider" wrote in message
...
Where is the best place to custom order an Acrylic Tank? Guessing
Acrylic
is the best way to go on large tanks 200+gal?

When a friend researched putting a 200+ tank in his house, he had to
contract with a builder, for codes, foundation checking, load balancing,
structural integrity and other issues...

He found that some/alot of contractors know people who "custom install"
acrylic tanks per the blue prints from the owners...

You might find one such builder/contractor in your area... They can
build,
install, plumb, run your wires, whatever you need.... but yep, did cost
him
nearly $3k for a 285gallon tank in his living room... and in his kitchen
and
in his den... it's a 3 sided tank. it's something like 8feet long, 3feet
tall, 4feet wide

Hes now my HERO haha

See the pics where he is swimming in it! WOW

Very COOL


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
Anyone have a HUGE tank?
Pics?

Have you seen this site:

http://www.mr4000.com

He's called "Mr. 4000" because he has a 4000 gallon tank!

He's also got a more moderate 750 gallon tank.

I would also recommend reading this page, however:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...ium_weight.php


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

Hes now my HERO haha

See the pics where he is swimming in it! WOW

Very COOL


"LeighMo" wrote in message
...
Anyone have a HUGE tank?
Pics?

Have you seen this site:

http://www.mr4000.com

He's called "Mr. 4000" because he has a 4000 gallon tank!

He's also got a more moderate 750 gallon tank.

I would also recommend reading this page, however:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...ium_weight.php


Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

PRICE DATE ITEMS
$ 1,372.88 (fish tank, stand, canopy, lights, heater, pumps,
aragonite, buffer, salt, de-chlorinator, bubbler, air stone)
$ 171.99 (gravel, 2 rocks, pH kit)
$ 151.17 (water scrubber, nets, vacuum, acrylic care stuff,
tongs, thermometer, feeding suction cup, magnet wall cleaner)
$ 24.86 (surge protector, extension cord, timer, bucket)
$ 32.00 (15 starter fish and fish food)
$ 80.00 (rocks and suction cups)
$ 66.76 (automatic feeder, extra hopper, silicone)
$ 49.73 (plants)
$ 3.78 (white backing for lights)
$ 35.89 (plant fertilizer and 50lbs of gravel)
$ 16.74 (butterfly pleco and 3 golden algae eaters)
$ 127.66 (2 ballasts, 2 lights, 3 plants, 25 ghost shrimp)
$ 2.71 (2 big spherical shaped rocks)
$ 4.21 (spotted XL puffer)
$ 24.76 (acryllic feeding rod, suction cup for cucumber,
hopper for feeder)
$ 59.21 (petco supplies: two 18" bubbler bars, food, flora
pride)
$ 39.99 (second automatic fish feeder)
$ 47.79 (25 ghost shrimp, 1 red crab, 1 brazilian sword,
spirullina pellets, plankton, 1 year membership to marks aquarium)
$ 220.04 (main fish order off of www.aquariumfish.net)
$ 3.24 (baby cichlid pellets, sold back 14 red eye tetra)
$ 22.26 (2 bamboo shrimp, frozen brine shrimp + spirulina,
frozen emerald vegetable mix)
$ 31.15 (30 ghost shrimp, half portion of blood worms, ornate
bicarb)
$ 225.73 (lots of fish food, python sink attachment, 8 bags,
4.8kg carbon, florapride, algae scrapper)
$ 23.05 (topaz puffer, 30 ghost shrimp)
$ 29.11 2/7/2003 (crushed coral, plants, 30 ghost shrimp)
$ 5.20 2/14/2003 (30 ghost shrimp)
$ 47.60 2/21/2003 (30 ghost shrimp, anubus, onion rush, actinic
24")


thats pretty much everything...if you add it up its actually ~$2900
thats since end of october... water is free for my apartment...the only
thing thats not in there is the power bill
I have 2 fluval 404 canister filters, a digital thermometer, 2 automatic
fish feeders, 6x24" (20W) over the tank, 15lbs of argonite, 130-150lbs of
gravel (I forget how much exactly) 80 or so lbs of rocks
ohh I also have TONS of fish food I've purchased in bulk from
www.drsfostersmith.com (when you buy 2.2lbs of hikari stuff its expensive
$30-50)
"Dustin" wrote in message
...
oh wow , what are your stats?
My 125 has a running total of 1799.03 right now. And ive only had it a
month.

Any Pics?


Dustin

"Christopher" wrote in message
ink.net...
$3k for a custom setup sounds mighty reasonable to me, I'm up to $2700
on
my
125g... (but that includes fish and food and such)

"350X_Rider" wrote in message
...
Where is the best place to custom order an Acrylic Tank? Guessing
Acrylic
is the best way to go on large tanks 200+gal?

When a friend researched putting a 200+ tank in his house, he had to
contract with a builder, for codes, foundation checking, load
balancing,
structural integrity and other issues...

He found that some/alot of contractors know people who "custom
install"
acrylic tanks per the blue prints from the owners...

You might find one such builder/contractor in your area... They can
build,
install, plumb, run your wires, whatever you need.... but yep, did
cost
him
nearly $3k for a 285gallon tank in his living room... and in his
kitchen
and
in his den... it's a 3 sided tank. it's something like 8feet long,
3feet
tall, 4feet wide