AP's "Algae-Destroyer " and plants
Hello
According to the user's guides included with almost any algae-fighting product on the market, it should not be used in planted tanks. However, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "Algae-Destroyer"'s is an exception: its label does not say anything of that nature. Moreover, 'faq.thekrib.com' says that it can be used to fight beard algae, which, according to the site, grows on plant's leaves (see http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html#beard). Does that mean that AP's "Algae-Destroyer" can be successfully used in a planted tank? -- Best regards, Andrey Tarasevich |
AP's "Algae-Destroyer " and plants
"Andrey Tarasevich" wrote in message
... Hello According to the user's guides included with almost any algae-fighting product on the market, it should not be used in planted tanks. However, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "Algae-Destroyer"'s is an exception: its label does not say anything of that nature. Moreover, 'faq.thekrib.com' says that it can be used to fight beard algae, which, according to the site, grows on plant's leaves (see http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html#beard). Does that mean that AP's "Algae-Destroyer" can be successfully used in a planted tank? -- Best regards, Andrey Tarasevich I doubt you can use this product in a planted tank, at least not in the long term. Even if it does kill your algae and not your plants, the algae will come back as soon as you stop using it if you don't improve the conditions for your plants. So you're going to have to keep using it until eventually your plants will die. Algae is a plant also. Further, I have never heard of anyone being successful with an algae-cide product in a planted tank. I think what it does is prevent algae from growing, not kill it, if it works at all. To control algae, you need to optimize your plant growth using whatever it takes... more CO2, more macro- and micro-nutrients, etc. Your algae is growing because there is something limiting your plants. Keep all nutrients in abundance, and your algae will stop spreading and you'll eventually get rid of it through pruning of old plants. __ Alex pcalex (at) hotpop.com |
AP's "Algae-Destroyer " and plants
Andrey Tarasevich wrote in message ...
Hello According to the user's guides included with almost any algae-fighting product on the market, it should not be used in planted tanks. However, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "Algae-Destroyer"'s is an exception: its label does not say anything of that nature. Moreover, 'faq.thekrib.com' says that it can be used to fight beard algae, which, according to the site, grows on plant's leaves (see http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html#beard). Does that mean that AP's "Algae-Destroyer" can be successfully used in a planted tank? Is your goal to grow nice healthy plants? Focus on that, not killing algae. To put it another way: will adding this improve plant growth? Yes? No? If not, why would you add this then? Is this a "Plant Tank" or a "Kill Algae tank"? Universally folks report healthy good plant growth is the best deterrent for algae and this is the goal with a planted tank. Healthy plants. When the plants do not grow well, they become a nutrient sink and substrate for algae to grow on. If plant growth is not addressed in some manner, the algae will keep coming back after each time you kill it. If the plants are not growing , algae will. FYI, about every 2-6months someone on some board list etc post something along the lines you have about an algicide/cure etc. But poor plant growth the main cause for algae so unless it addresses that basic tenent, the product will not help. Regards Tom Barr |
AP's "Algae-Destroyer " and plants
Andrey Tarasevich wrote in message
According to the user's guides included with almost any algae-fighting product on the market, it should not be used in planted tanks. However, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "Algae-Destroyer"'s is an exception: its label does not say anything of that nature. Moreover, 'faq.thekrib.com' says that it can be used to fight beard algae, which, according to the site, grows on plant's leaves (see http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html#beard). Does that mean that AP's "Algae-Destroyer" can be successfully used in a planted tank? Is your goal to grow nice healthy plants? Focus on that, not killing algae. My question is not about what I have to focus on. I know prefectly well what I need to do in order to keep my plants healty. I have no algae problem in my tank and I have abosolutely no intent to use any algae killing substances in the tank. I asked the question out of pure curiosuty, since I was surprised by the fact that the aformentioned product's package bears no warnings about using it in a planted tank. Moreover, a respected aquarium site seems to suggest the use of this product in a planted tank. You can use copper sulfate in an aquarium or H2O2 as well if you keep good tabs on the concentration levels(Some plants don't respond well, some such as crypts do pretty good with CuSO4 etc), but any algicides in excess will generally kill most plants. You can turn off the lights for a few days to kill algae. There are lots of things folks can do to get rid of algae and most of them don't cost a penny. Pruning and blackouts are pretty good and cheap. The Krib has old stuff from back when algae and growing plants was still a mystery to most. I've used most everything in the past years to kill/outwit and other wise harass algae. It's not about the algae, it's about the plants. Neil Frank and I went a few rounds over the algicide approach that he favored some years ago on the issue of snake oil cures for plant tanks. There's still many respected sites that claim erronously that high levels of PO4 cause algae outbreaks/blooms etc in FW plant tanks. I proved this to quite untrue some years back. Products like these algicides prey on frustrated folks that have algae on their plants. They don't address the basic problem of why there's algae in the first place. It's a pet peeve of mine since it sends the newbie down the wrong path of having a good planted tank with no/little algae. Like a drug , add too much and kill the patient, add too little and it doesn't kill the disease. Is there some angle that will help everyone keep a better planted tank if we investigate each algicide? No, I really think that type of hoodoo is what keeps folks trying these snake oils. "Maybe it works, We really don't know unless we try it". Iv'e tried perhaps 12-15 different algicides over the years and put most through a pretty good test. None to date has worked in controlled tank where I kept close tabs on the nutrients/CO2. My research focuses on algal periphyton on aquatic plants (Vals and Sag's) and natural substrates. One device that did hold promise: Ultrasonic algae control, doesn't kill plants, killls the planktonic and after a week or two more, the filamentous algae. They should be able to modify the Fogging units they sell for those cloud forest frog tanks etc that run about 40$ for an aquarium to kill algae. All the info is there, has been for awhile, just no one has done it yet. That would be a decent device but it still will not make your plant grow. It would also be more effective and cheaper than a UV and could also be used in some marine applications etc Regards, Tom Barr |
"Algae-Destroyer " and plants
I started my first planted tank 10 months ago. As with many beginners, I
have gone through numerous algae problems. Initially, I adopted the nitrate/phosphate removal and algae destroyer approach, but the outcome were demoralizing. Fortunately, I also came across Tom's various email messages on "focusing on plants". I started dosing N-P-K and trace. The results were amazing. I take this opportunity to thank various people on their helpful advices in this and other newsgroups. " wrote in message om... Andrey Tarasevich wrote in message According to the user's guides included with almost any algae-fighting product on the market, it should not be used in planted tanks. However, Aquarium Pharmaceuticals "Algae-Destroyer"'s is an exception: its label does not say anything of that nature. Moreover, 'faq.thekrib.com' says that it can be used to fight beard algae, which, according to the site, grows on plant's leaves (see http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html#beard). Does that mean that AP's "Algae-Destroyer" can be successfully used in a planted tank? Is your goal to grow nice healthy plants? Focus on that, not killing algae. My question is not about what I have to focus on. I know prefectly well what I need to do in order to keep my plants healty. I have no algae problem in my tank and I have abosolutely no intent to use any algae killing substances in the tank. I asked the question out of pure curiosuty, since I was surprised by the fact that the aformentioned product's package bears no warnings about using it in a planted tank. Moreover, a respected aquarium site seems to suggest the use of this product in a planted tank. You can use copper sulfate in an aquarium or H2O2 as well if you keep good tabs on the concentration levels(Some plants don't respond well, some such as crypts do pretty good with CuSO4 etc), but any algicides in excess will generally kill most plants. You can turn off the lights for a few days to kill algae. There are lots of things folks can do to get rid of algae and most of them don't cost a penny. Pruning and blackouts are pretty good and cheap. The Krib has old stuff from back when algae and growing plants was still a mystery to most. I've used most everything in the past years to kill/outwit and other wise harass algae. It's not about the algae, it's about the plants. Neil Frank and I went a few rounds over the algicide approach that he favored some years ago on the issue of snake oil cures for plant tanks. There's still many respected sites that claim erronously that high levels of PO4 cause algae outbreaks/blooms etc in FW plant tanks. I proved this to quite untrue some years back. Products like these algicides prey on frustrated folks that have algae on their plants. They don't address the basic problem of why there's algae in the first place. It's a pet peeve of mine since it sends the newbie down the wrong path of having a good planted tank with no/little algae. Like a drug , add too much and kill the patient, add too little and it doesn't kill the disease. Is there some angle that will help everyone keep a better planted tank if we investigate each algicide? No, I really think that type of hoodoo is what keeps folks trying these snake oils. "Maybe it works, We really don't know unless we try it". Iv'e tried perhaps 12-15 different algicides over the years and put most through a pretty good test. None to date has worked in controlled tank where I kept close tabs on the nutrients/CO2. My research focuses on algal periphyton on aquatic plants (Vals and Sag's) and natural substrates. One device that did hold promise: Ultrasonic algae control, doesn't kill plants, killls the planktonic and after a week or two more, the filamentous algae. They should be able to modify the Fogging units they sell for those cloud forest frog tanks etc that run about 40$ for an aquarium to kill algae. All the info is there, has been for awhile, just no one has done it yet. That would be a decent device but it still will not make your plant grow. It would also be more effective and cheaper than a UV and could also be used in some marine applications etc Regards, Tom Barr |
"Algae-Destroyer " and plants
"Simon" wrote in message ...
I started my first planted tank 10 months ago. As with many beginners, I have gone through numerous algae problems. Initially, I adopted the nitrate/phosphate removal and algae destroyer approach, but the outcome were demoralizing. Fortunately, I also came across Tom's various email messages on "focusing on plants". I started dosing N-P-K and trace. The results were amazing. I take this opportunity to thank various people on their helpful advices in this and other newsgroups. Good, another one saved! Now get good at plants then folks will ask you for help and return the favor. Regards, Tom Barr |
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