Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little
sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
Squid wrote:
I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I've been using a HOT Magnum for years for just polishing.The micron cartridge generally does a good job but on rare occasions I charge it with diatom powder. I doubt if Marineland recommends this or if it would void your warranty but it seemed to work fine. Haven't touched either of my vortex filters since I've started using the HOT Magnum. To charge the filter you'll need two input tubes, one for the input and the other for the output. Place the filter in the tank and submerge a small plastic pitcher and bring it up with the input and exhaust tubes in it. I then slowly dump a cup of diatom powder in it. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Squid" wrote in message ... I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I have both. The Magnum can't hold a candle to the job the Vortex does in removing fine particulate matter- no way not even close. Of course the Magnum is 100 times easier to use and clean, but if water polishing is your priority then Vortex is the way to go. -- Toni http://www.cearbhaill.com/discus.htm |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Squid" wrote in message
... I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I use the H.O.T. magnum on my planted 55 with the micron cartridge 100% of the time. It keeps the water crystal clear and provides good circulation. I have several cartridges which I rotate weekly. Rinse the filter with a sprayer, soak overnight in oxyclean, rinse and then soak overnight in bleach, 10:1. Rinse again and then dry. I don't use any chemical filtration. I also have a 404 with just ceramic tubes and a couple bags of peat that gets changed every few months if I remember. Since getting this setup I have not touched my system 1 diatomaceous filter. Jeff |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Squid" wrote in message ... I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I was wrestling with the same decision recently. Just this past Friday I ordered the H.O.T. Magnum Pro setup from Big Al's. Hasn't arrived yet, so I have no experience with usage to offer, but for what its worth I'll tell you why I went with it. I was looking to replace an old whisper 20. I wanted biological/chemical/mechanical filtration, and something to help with gravel cleaning, and water polishing would be nice a nice plus. I started out looking at the Emperor 280. Then considering that plus a Vortex. Finally the HOT Magnum. Extensive NG and web research showed all three having pretty positive reveiws and comments, so I felt good about any of the three. Since I was replacing my main filter and needed bio/chem/mech filtration, I thought the Magnum was more cost effective for me. I have only one tank. I have read that the micron filter does a decent job (not as good as Vortex) but also read in several places about charging it with diatom powder (thanks for the specifics Randy) and thought I could try that if I wan't satisfied with the polishing by the cartidge alone. I liked the Magnum's price, flexibility, the separate chemical media cartridge (which is one reason I passed on the Emperor), and the Pro kit added the Bio-Wheel ( and Big Als currently adding a free 3 pack of filter sleeves). If water polishing was my primary requirement, and I had a chem/bio filter system I was happy with, or if I had multiple tanks, I might have gone for the Vortex. But for one tank and looking to upgrade all my filtration the Magnum won out. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Squid" wrote in message
I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I use the H.O.T. magnum on my planted 55 with the micron cartridge 100% of the time. It keeps the water crystal clear and provides good circulation. I have several cartridges which I rotate weekly. Rinse the filter with a sprayer, soak overnight in oxyclean, rinse and then soak overnight in bleach, 10:1. Rinse again and then dry. I don't use any chemical filtration. I also have a 404 with just ceramic tubes and a couple bags of peat that gets changed every few months if I remember. Since getting this setup I have not touched my system 1 diatomaceous filter. Jeff Isn't that a bit overboard? Not to be a cynic, but I don't even worry about using tap water and flopping it right back in, no sense in using bleach... but oxyclean?? That's just creating more work for a hobby that is supposed to reduce stress, not create MORE because OF the hobby... Then again, that's just my opinion, and I'm sure it won't work for everyone... just as yours wouldn't work for me.... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø is that better?? |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... "Squid" wrote in message I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I use the H.O.T. magnum on my planted 55 with the micron cartridge 100% of the time. It keeps the water crystal clear and provides good circulation. I have several cartridges which I rotate weekly. Rinse the filter with a sprayer, soak overnight in oxyclean, rinse and then soak overnight in bleach, 10:1. Rinse again and then dry. I don't use any chemical filtration. I also have a 404 with just ceramic tubes and a couple bags of peat that gets changed every few months if I remember. Since getting this setup I have not touched my system 1 diatomaceous filter. Jeff Isn't that a bit overboard? Not to be a cynic, but I don't even worry about using tap water and flopping it right back in, no sense in using bleach... but oxyclean?? That's just creating more work for a hobby that is supposed to reduce stress, not create MORE because OF the hobby... Then again, that's just my opinion, and I'm sure it won't work for everyone... just as yours wouldn't work for me.... -- i wouldn't bother with the oxyclean but I do bleach my micro filter. Rick |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Rick" wrote in message ... "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... "Squid" wrote in message I was thinking about getting a Diatom Filter and got a little sidetracked by the H.O.T. Magnum which I guess comes with a Micron Cartridge that polishes the water. Considering the H.O.T. is priced rather low I was wondering what you guys thought of that as an alternative to a Diatom Filter right? I use the H.O.T. magnum on my planted 55 with the micron cartridge 100% of the time. It keeps the water crystal clear and provides good circulation. I have several cartridges which I rotate weekly. Rinse the filter with a sprayer, soak overnight in oxyclean, rinse and then soak overnight in bleach, 10:1. Rinse again and then dry. I don't use any chemical filtration. I also have a 404 with just ceramic tubes and a couple bags of peat that gets changed every few months if I remember. Since getting this setup I have not touched my system 1 diatomaceous filter. Jeff Isn't that a bit overboard? Not to be a cynic, but I don't even worry about using tap water and flopping it right back in, no sense in using bleach... but oxyclean?? That's just creating more work for a hobby that is supposed to reduce stress, not create MORE because OF the hobby... Then again, that's just my opinion, and I'm sure it won't work for everyone... just as yours wouldn't work for me.... i wouldn't bother with the oxyclean but I do bleach my micro filter. I was in a hurry one day and did not want to wait for the chlorine to clear so I tried oxy instead. It is amazing the tarry brown goo that bubbles off the filter. Probably don't need to do it, but as far as work goes, it's just a couple of buckets out in the laundry room. Fill them with either bleach or oxy, takes at most two minutes, then walk away. Jeff |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Jeff Lowe" wrote in message
... I was in a hurry one day and did not want to wait for the chlorine to clear so I tried oxy instead. It is amazing the tarry brown goo that bubbles off the filter. Probably don't need to do it, but as far as work goes, it's just a couple of buckets out in the laundry room. Fill them with either bleach or oxy, takes at most two minutes, then walk away. Jeff Hi Jeff, Is that just the regular powdered Oxi Clean, any particular strength? Just curious, as I have ordered a HOT Magnum coming in this week, and I'm just trying to keep notes about the various tips for making use of it. Thanks! |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"TR" wrote in message link.net... "Jeff Lowe" wrote in message ... I was in a hurry one day and did not want to wait for the chlorine to clear so I tried oxy instead. It is amazing the tarry brown goo that bubbles off the filter. Probably don't need to do it, but as far as work goes, it's just a couple of buckets out in the laundry room. Fill them with either bleach or oxy, takes at most two minutes, then walk away. Jeff Hi Jeff, Is that just the regular powdered Oxi Clean, any particular strength? Just curious, as I have ordered a HOT Magnum coming in this week, and I'm just trying to keep notes about the various tips for making use of it. Thanks! Regular Oxyclean, or it's generic equivalents. One scoop to half a gallon hot water. Use something heavy to hold the filter down. A friend left half a six pack of Budweiser long necks behind and I find them ideal for this task. ;-) None of this really gets the filter back to white, but I don't think it matters. I tried this because I'd read that oxy is fairly benign and I could never seem to rinse all the Clorox out. I've since learned no moisture, no chlorine so let the filter dry out completely. Jeff |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
I was in a hurry one day and did not want to wait for the chlorine
to clear so I tried oxy instead. It is amazing the tarry brown goo that bubbles off the filter. Probably don't need to do it, but as far as work goes, it's just a couple of buckets out in the laundry room. Fill them with either bleach or oxy, takes at most two minutes, then walk away. Jeff Hi Jeff, Is that just the regular powdered Oxi Clean, any particular strength? Just curious, as I have ordered a HOT Magnum coming in this week, and I'm just trying to keep notes about the various tips for making use of it. Thanks! Regular Oxyclean, or it's generic equivalents. One scoop to half a gallon hot water. Use something heavy to hold the filter down. A friend left half a six pack of Budweiser long necks behind and I find them ideal for this task. ;-) None of this really gets the filter back to white, but I don't think it matters. I tried this because I'd read that oxy is fairly benign and I could never seem to rinse all the Clorox out. I've since learned no moisture, no chlorine so let the filter dry out completely. Jeff Ok, I've learned a bit today... I'll see if the oxyclean has any advantage over tap water :-) jk -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø is that better?? |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Jeff Lowe" wrote in message
... None of this really gets the filter back to white, but I don't think it matters. I tried this because I'd read that oxy is fairly benign and I could never seem to rinse all the Clorox out. I've since learned no moisture, no chlorine so let the filter dry out completely. It's amazing how much of that simple information gets left behind in the never ending parade of new products that promise all sorts of magic. No moisture == no chlorine, also sunlight kills chlorine even on damp things left in full sunlight - that's why you have to add chlorine to pools every day during summer, the ultraviolet kills it. How many folks out there buy expensive tubes of pHup when Baking soda does the same job better :-) Graham. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:50 +1000, "Graham Broadbridge"
wrote: How many folks out there buy expensive tubes of pHup when Baking soda does the same job better :-) Graham. I've read a few things about this in the archives. Do you mind ellaborating on the process a bit. Like how much per gallon? |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:50 +1000, "Graham Broadbridge"
wrote: How many folks out there buy expensive tubes of pHup when Baking soda does the same job better :-) Graham. I've read a few things about this in the archives. Do you mind ellaborating on the process a bit. Like how much per gallon? In my 29g, it's CO2 injected, starts about 7.0, and I run 15-22ppm of CO2, the CO2 brings down the pH to 6.0, I add 1 teaspoon of BS and get it back to 7.0, hardness started out at 2, raises to 4-5 when done.. it's really the better product to use, IMO... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø is that better?? |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Randy Ocano" wrote in message
... I've been using a HOT Magnum for years for just polishing.The micron cartridge generally does a good job but on rare occasions I charge it with diatom powder. I doubt if Marineland recommends this or if it would void your warranty but it seemed to work fine. Haven't touched either of my vortex filters since I've started using the HOT Magnum. To charge the filter you'll need two input tubes, one for the input and the other for the output. Place the filter in the tank and submerge a small plastic pitcher and bring it up with the input and exhaust tubes in it. I then slowly dump a cup of diatom powder in it. Just received my HOT Magnum yesterday. Marineland now includes an instruction sheet for charging and using the micron filter with diatom powder. So I woudn't think there will be any warranty issues :-) Instuctions are basically as you describe. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
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"Squid" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:50 +1000, "Graham Broadbridge" wrote: How many folks out there buy expensive tubes of pHup when Baking soda does the same job better :-) I've read a few things about this in the archives. Do you mind ellaborating on the process a bit. Like how much per gallon? A little bit goes a long way. From memory 1 teaspoon of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) raises the kH of my 55 gal by about 2 german degrees (~ 36 ppm). I use quite a lot as the water here out of the tap is 0 dkH and I run CO2 injection and need to keep around 8 dkH, so for each 25 percent water change I add a teaspoon or so, and then measure and adjust as necessary. Graham. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
Marineland has always provided that info and mine came with DE for use in
the filter SamB "TR" wrote in message k.net... "Randy Ocano" wrote in message ... I've been using a HOT Magnum for years for just polishing.The micron cartridge generally does a good job but on rare occasions I charge it with diatom powder. I doubt if Marineland recommends this or if it would void your warranty but it seemed to work fine. Haven't touched either of my vortex filters since I've started using the HOT Magnum. To charge the filter you'll need two input tubes, one for the input and the other for the output. Place the filter in the tank and submerge a small plastic pitcher and bring it up with the input and exhaust tubes in it. I then slowly dump a cup of diatom powder in it. Just received my HOT Magnum yesterday. Marineland now includes an instruction sheet for charging and using the micron filter with diatom powder. So I woudn't think there will be any warranty issues :-) Instuctions are basically as you describe. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"TR" wrote in message k.net... "Randy Ocano" wrote in message ... I've been using a HOT Magnum for years for just polishing.The micron cartridge generally does a good job but on rare occasions I charge it with diatom powder. I doubt if Marineland recommends this or if it would void your warranty but it seemed to work fine. Haven't touched either of my vortex filters since I've started using the HOT Magnum. To charge the filter you'll need two input tubes, one for the input and the other for the output. Place the filter in the tank and submerge a small plastic pitcher and bring it up with the input and exhaust tubes in it. I then slowly dump a cup of diatom powder in it. Just received my HOT Magnum yesterday. Marineland now includes an instruction sheet for charging and using the micron filter with diatom powder. So I woudn't think there will be any warranty issues :-) Instuctions are basically as you describe. Interesting, I just picked up my 3rd H.O.T Magnum yesterday to replace the 2nd one that would not seal properly. There is absolutely nothing in the instructions of mine to tell you how to use it with diatom powder. Rick |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
On Tue, 4 May 2004 10:05:44 -0500, "Rick"
wrote: "TR" wrote in message nk.net... "Randy Ocano" wrote in message ... I've been using a HOT Magnum for years for just polishing.The micron cartridge generally does a good job but on rare occasions I charge it with diatom powder. I doubt if Marineland recommends this or if it would void your warranty but it seemed to work fine. Haven't touched either of my vortex filters since I've started using the HOT Magnum. To charge the filter you'll need two input tubes, one for the input and the other for the output. Place the filter in the tank and submerge a small plastic pitcher and bring it up with the input and exhaust tubes in it. I then slowly dump a cup of diatom powder in it. Just received my HOT Magnum yesterday. Marineland now includes an instruction sheet for charging and using the micron filter with diatom powder. So I woudn't think there will be any warranty issues :-) Instuctions are basically as you describe. Interesting, I just picked up my 3rd H.O.T Magnum yesterday to replace the 2nd one that would not seal properly. There is absolutely nothing in the instructions of mine to tell you how to use it with diatom powder. Rick I just got a stand-alone canister Magnum 350, and there is nothing in there about it either. After reading the previous posting, I also visited MarinLand's website, and their downloadable manual doesn't contain the instructions, either. FWIW.... --Tony |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
Interesting, I just picked up my 3rd H.O.T Magnum yesterday to replace
the 2nd one that would not seal properly. There is absolutely nothing in the instructions of mine to tell you how to use it with diatom powder. Rick I just got a stand-alone canister Magnum 350, and there is nothing in there about it either. After reading the previous posting, I also visited MarinLand's website, and their downloadable manual doesn't contain the instructions, either. FWIW.... --Tony The instructions are on a separate piece of paper (not in the manual). It may have come with the Micron cartridge (it is titled "Instructions for Micron Cartridge" on the front side). I purchased the "HOT pro" kit with gravel vac, etc. On the flip side it has directions for charging with diatom powder, a fast method (simply pouring into the canister) and a better method, charging with a container until the recirculated watrer is clear. At the bottom of the slip are the numbers "004696", and perhaps a date "10/97". It does have the Marineland logo and address on the slip. Perhaps it is just something that comes with the Pro kits? I also ordered an extra cartridge, an honestly I do not recall if the slip was packaged with the kit or with the second separate cartridge. --Tom |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
On Tue, 04 May 2004 22:48:22 GMT, "TR"
wrote: snipping The instructions are on a separate piece of paper (not in the manual). It may have come with the Micron cartridge (it is titled "Instructions for Micron Cartridge" on the front side). I purchased the "HOT pro" kit with gravel vac, etc. On the flip side it has directions for charging with diatom powder, a fast method (simply pouring into the canister) and a better method, charging with a container until the recirculated watrer is clear. At the bottom of the slip are the numbers "004696", and perhaps a date "10/97". It does have the Marineland logo and address on the slip. Perhaps it is just something that comes with the Pro kits? I also ordered an extra cartridge, an honestly I do not recall if the slip was packaged with the kit or with the second separate cartridge. --Tom I'll have to double check that... I too got the Pro model, came with the gravel vac, and a double set of Bio-Wheels. --Tony |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"TR" wrote in message ink.net... Interesting, I just picked up my 3rd H.O.T Magnum yesterday to replace the 2nd one that would not seal properly. There is absolutely nothing in the instructions of mine to tell you how to use it with diatom powder. Rick I just got a stand-alone canister Magnum 350, and there is nothing in there about it either. After reading the previous posting, I also visited MarinLand's website, and their downloadable manual doesn't contain the instructions, either. FWIW.... --Tony The instructions are on a separate piece of paper (not in the manual). It may have come with the Micron cartridge (it is titled "Instructions for Micron Cartridge" on the front side). I purchased the "HOT pro" kit with gravel vac, etc. On the flip side it has directions for charging with diatom powder, a fast method (simply pouring into the canister) and a better method, charging with a container until the recirculated watrer is clear. At the bottom of the slip are the numbers "004696", and perhaps a date "10/97". It does have the Marineland logo and address on the slip. Perhaps it is just something that comes with the Pro kits? I also ordered an extra cartridge, an honestly I do not recall if the slip was packaged with the kit or with the second separate cartridge. --Tom that is interesting Tom. I just checked the paper that was wrapped around my Micron Cartridge and there is no such information. As a coincidence I have been swapping emails with one of their Customer Service Rep's. over problems I was having with my H.O.T unit and asked him about it. His reply was that if you have a filter that has those instructions in it then it is old and I mean old stock. According to him they stopped including those instructions 10 years ago when it became known that diatom powder was a carcinogen in airborne state. Rick |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Rick" wrote in message ... that is interesting Tom. I just checked the paper that was wrapped around my Micron Cartridge and there is no such information. As a coincidence I have been swapping emails with one of their Customer Service Rep's. over problems I was having with my H.O.T unit and asked him about it. His reply was that if you have a filter that has those instructions in it then it is old and I mean old stock. According to him they stopped including those instructions 10 years ago when it became known that diatom powder was a carcinogen in airborne state. Rick Well, thats interesting....! I just ordered this from Big Al's. I suppose it could be old stock, but I would think that would be more likely to happen if I was buying from an LFS that didn't see much turn over, not from a mail order site like Big Al's. The box the Magnum came in has ©2002 on it, so I think that must be fairly recent. The filter I can't tell, but certainly the packaging appears recent. How reliable is your Rep? How long has he been with Marineland? Perhaps he thought you were trying to make a case for choosing a diatom filter over a Magnum and just tried to dissuade you? Who knows. Certainly alot of diatom filters on the market, and the media readily available. Seems odd for Marineland to take such a 'carcinogen...don't use it' stance. I may contact Big Als and see what they have to say. Well, I have no plans at this point to use diatom powder, but I do have the instructions if I ever feel the need :-) The micron cartridge worked very well. My biggest gripe is with the micro bubbles the Magnum puts out. The water LOOKS cloudy but it's not. Turn off the magnum for a while and it looks great. The micro bubbles are spewing continuously. Trying to reset the seals and use silicon lube, 'burping', etc. no luck yet. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"Rick" wrote in message ... I know nothing about the guy except he answered by query to the Company. This is my 3rd H.O.T Magnum. I also get the small bubbles however my problem with the other two was the unit purging the water from inside the filter only leaving about half and this then causes noisy operation and lots of big bubbles. Pain in the neck. The silicone did not work for me however I did get a laugh when the "Rep" suggested in a previous exchange that I use the small tube and if that was not enough to buy more at the Hardware store and use copious quantities. He said that the problem is the D ring which does not seal properly. I told him that if I had to use copious quantities of silicone then I would suggest they have a manufacturing defect in their product. The new one works fine with the exception of the small bubbles. Hmmm, thats disappointing to hear about your bubble problem, and lack of solution. If it wasn't for that myself, I'd be thinking I have found the perfect filter. It really irks me that the tank is actually quite clean, but looks so cloudy due to the bubbles. If I can't resolve it, I'll be buying another filter (shhh, don't tell my wife), maybe a rena Filstar 204 or something similar. I'll keep the magnum for its ease of use and micron filtering, but not as my primary filter. I've lubed the D ring, and the inlet o-rings, so far not enough to make an improvement. It also bothers me that the D-ring seats in a channel on the LID of the unit, rather than in a channel on the canister. Heck, if you don't have a lot of silicone lube on the D-ring its likely to fall out as you try to place the top back on the canister. Seems like the channel ought to be on the canister. I think the Magnum has a lot going for it, but a few design quirks keep it from being as good as it could be, IMHO. |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
"TR" wrote in message ink.net... "Rick" wrote in message ... I know nothing about the guy except he answered by query to the Company. This is my 3rd H.O.T Magnum. I also get the small bubbles however my problem with the other two was the unit purging the water from inside the filter only leaving about half and this then causes noisy operation and lots of big bubbles. Pain in the neck. The silicone did not work for me however I did get a laugh when the "Rep" suggested in a previous exchange that I use the small tube and if that was not enough to buy more at the Hardware store and use copious quantities. He said that the problem is the D ring which does not seal properly. I told him that if I had to use copious quantities of silicone then I would suggest they have a manufacturing defect in their product. The new one works fine with the exception of the small bubbles. Hmmm, thats disappointing to hear about your bubble problem, and lack of solution. If it wasn't for that myself, I'd be thinking I have found the perfect filter. It really irks me that the tank is actually quite clean, but looks so cloudy due to the bubbles. If I can't resolve it, I'll be buying another filter (shhh, don't tell my wife), maybe a rena Filstar 204 or something similar. I'll keep the magnum for its ease of use and micron filtering, but not as my primary filter. I've lubed the D ring, and the inlet o-rings, so far not enough to make an improvement. It also bothers me that the D-ring seats in a channel on the LID of the unit, rather than in a channel on the canister. Heck, if you don't have a lot of silicone lube on the D-ring its likely to fall out as you try to place the top back on the canister. Seems like the channel ought to be on the canister. I think the Magnum has a lot going for it, but a few design quirks keep it from being as good as it could be, IMHO. yeah I agree. My D ring constantly falls out when putting this thing together. They are handy though and easy to move from tank to tank. I borrowed a System 1 diatom filter from a friend and this little unit is amazing. Much easier to use than a Vortex. Hangs on the tank and can be easily moved from tank to tank. I had quite a bit of free floating algae in my 77 heavily planted tank. Hooked this think up and it was amazing how clear the water was within an hour. The next day I used it in my fish room. Charged it with 5 tbls of diatom powder and did 10 x 10g tanks using the same charge. Nice little unit. Rick |
Diatom Filter or H.O.T. Magnum
On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:24:33 -0500, "Rick"
wrote: lots of snip Hmmm, thats disappointing to hear about your bubble problem, and lack of solution. If it wasn't for that myself, I'd be thinking I have found the perfect filter. It really irks me that the tank is actually quite clean, but looks so cloudy due to the bubbles. If I can't resolve it, I'll be buying another filter (shhh, don't tell my wife), maybe a rena Filstar 204 or something similar. I'll keep the magnum for its ease of use and micron filtering, but not as my primary filter. I've lubed the D ring, and the inlet o-rings, so far not enough to make an improvement. It also bothers me that the D-ring seats in a channel on the LID of the unit, rather than in a channel on the canister. Heck, if you don't have a lot of silicone lube on the D-ring its likely to fall out as you try to place the top back on the canister. Seems like the channel ought to be on the canister. I think the Magnum has a lot going for it, but a few design quirks keep it from being as good as it could be, IMHO. yeah I agree. My D ring constantly falls out when putting this thing together. They are handy though and easy to move from tank to tank. I borrowed a System 1 diatom filter from a friend and this little unit is amazing. Much easier to use than a Vortex. Hangs on the tank and can be easily moved from tank to tank. I had quite a bit of free floating algae in my 77 heavily planted tank. Hooked this think up and it was amazing how clear the water was within an hour. The next day I used it in my fish room. Charged it with 5 tbls of diatom powder and did 10 x 10g tanks using the same charge. Nice little unit. Rick Concerns over getting the Dring to seat properly lead me to get the Regular Magnum. It sits on the floor, and has a completely round ring. Like the HOT version, though, it too is on the lid, not the canister. When in a not paying enough attention, I have had a couple issues getting to stay on properly..... it didn't take long to notice it.. a few drops spurting out, air back-filling into the canister... To date I have not had to use the silicon that came with it. crosses fingersknocks wood --Tony |
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