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I have had it in the past, never could keep it from becoming algaefied...
The lower portions just became covered with green slime and hair algae...
This time, I got some nice samples, and they STILL got algaefied....

Yes they were planted, weighted and it was only the lower sections... It was
shaded, so maybe light was an issue? CO2 and ferts everyother day....

any ideas?? Is it just destined to be a floating plant?

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Old 28-06-2004, 05:09 PM
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Hey Red

I don't know your dosing schedules but you may need to be dosing more NO3.
Try a little more than usual and see how it does, this will help with your
green slime problem aswell. How much light do you have on the tank? Are you
using diy or compressed co2? How are your other plants doing?
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
...
I have had it in the past, never could keep it from becoming algaefied...
The lower portions just became covered with green slime and hair algae...
This time, I got some nice samples, and they STILL got algaefied....

Yes they were planted, weighted and it was only the lower sections... It

was
shaded, so maybe light was an issue? CO2 and ferts everyother day....

any ideas?? Is it just destined to be a floating plant?

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|| Hey Red
||
|| I don't know your dosing schedules but you may need to be dosing
|| more NO3. Try a little more than usual and see how it does, this
|| will help with your green slime problem aswell. How much light do
|| you have on the tank? Are you using diy or compressed co2? How are
|| your other plants doing? --
|| **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

29g, press. CO2, 65W PCF, new bulbs.
pH 7.0 adjusted to 7.0 + Co2, added 1TBSp of Baking soda to raise back to
7.0
gH - 3 yeilding 18ppn CO2
Dosing PMDD, 3x weekly - I've used this, and never questioned, but the
contents are from Aqua aka, Dominic... good stuff....

All the other plants are growing, Moneyward, java ferns, anubias, rotala,
tiger lotus, just not the wysteria....

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Old 29-06-2004, 04:14 PM
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
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29g, press. CO2, 65W PCF, new bulbs.
pH 7.0 adjusted to 7.0 + Co2, added 1TBSp of Baking soda to raise back to
7.0


So your ph is 7 before or after adding co2?
If after then don't add more Baking soda.

gH - 3 yeilding 18ppn CO2


You mean KH?
Turn up your co2 a bit to try and hit as close to 25-30ppm.

Dosing PMDD, 3x weekly - I've used this, and never questioned, but the
contents are from Aqua aka, Dominic... good stuff....


Keep using it...maybe dose 4 times instead of three.


All the other plants are growing, Moneyward, java ferns, anubias, rotala,
tiger lotus, just not the wysteria....


The only thing I can suggest is that you need more NO3 and possibly more
space around the wisteria, they really branch out once they get going. Make
sure this plant is not under the Moneywort as Wisteria seems to like
loads of light. As with me some plants just don't do well in certain
combinations. Concentrate on the plants that are doing well, possibly ditch
the wisteria for the moment. You can always purchase the plant again at a
later stage for a second chance. Sorry I can't be more informative than
this. Perhaps Mr, Barr or Gadd can chime in. Good luck!


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Old 29-06-2004, 05:07 PM
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||| 29g, press. CO2, 65W PCF, new bulbs.
||| pH 7.0 adjusted to 7.0 + Co2, added 1TBSp of Baking soda to raise
||| back to
||| 7.0
||
|| So your ph is 7 before or after adding co2?
|| If after then don't add more Baking soda.

Yep, because the kH is almost nothing, add CO2, and the buffer is all used
up, pH crash inevitable....

||| gH - 3 yeilding 18ppn CO2
||
|| You mean KH?

Yeah, duh?!?!?!? DOH!!! kH is 3 after adding the BS back to raise the pH up
from 6.2 or somewhere....

|| Turn up your co2 a bit to try and hit as close to 25-30ppm.
||
||| Dosing PMDD, 3x weekly - I've used this, and never questioned, but
||| the contents are from Aqua aka, Dominic... good stuff....
||
|| Keep using it...maybe dose 4 times instead of three.

Yeah, I've thought about that.. maybe adding some to the next mixture...
upping my NO3 in the PMDD and see what happens from there...

|| The only thing I can suggest is that you need more NO3 and possibly
|| more space around the wisteria, they really branch out once they get
|| going. Make sure this plant is not under the Moneywort as
|| Wisteria seems to like loads of light. As with me some plants just
|| don't do well in certain combinations. Concentrate on the plants
|| that are doing well, possibly ditch the wisteria for the moment. You
|| can always purchase the plant again at a later stage for a second
|| chance. Sorry I can't be more informative than this. Perhaps Mr,
|| Barr or Gadd can chime in. Good luck!

They are a Godsend.. I've taken a bit from each and surmized that you may be
on to something... Tom mentioned that my NO3 may need upping, and maybe
something else... but a re arranging may help it... it was the lower/shaded
sections that grew the hair... shade may be it's enemy....

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Old 30-06-2004, 08:09 PM
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How does the top part of the plant look? Any signs of deficiencies
such as pale or yellow coloring? I haven't had any problems growing
this plant in both high and low light, obviously once it shades itself
the lower part of the plant becomes bare, but it also usually sends
horizontal shoots from the base to seek brighter areas where it will
again grow vertical. Do you use any kind of substrate fertilizers?
Like most of my rooted plants, I find I can eliminate most
deficiencies with Seachem Tabs. If you haven't tried yet, I'd suggest
placing a tab under the plant and see if things change. As far as
shadowing goes, it sounds like you have a single PC bulb over your
tank, although it's enough lighting, a single bulb does cause more
shadows than multiple bulbs, but I don't know I'd suggest anyone to
change their lighting to grow wisteria ;-) Perhaps thinning out the
top part and any surrounding plants may help the situation. I wouldn't
however blame lighting on any algae growth, although the base of the
stem may become bare from insufficient lighting, algae is growing
because of other reasons, could be that there are no critters that eat
that kind of algae or an imbalance in your nutrients... You know the
usual stuff... Raising CO2 may certainly help.

What are your NO3 and FE levels?

I have found CSM on it's own to cause more green spot algae than some
other products I've used in the past, I've since mixed CSM, Flourish
and Flourish FE in equal proportions. Once I finish my lifetime supply
of CSM I plan to go back to mixing TMG and Flourish as that seemed to
give me the best results. Obviously your milage may vary...

Hope that helps
Giancarlo Podio
www.podio.com


"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ...
||| 29g, press. CO2, 65W PCF, new bulbs.
||| pH 7.0 adjusted to 7.0 + Co2, added 1TBSp of Baking soda to raise
||| back to
||| 7.0
||
|| So your ph is 7 before or after adding co2?
|| If after then don't add more Baking soda.

Yep, because the kH is almost nothing, add CO2, and the buffer is all used
up, pH crash inevitable....

||| gH - 3 yeilding 18ppn CO2
||
|| You mean KH?

Yeah, duh?!?!?!? DOH!!! kH is 3 after adding the BS back to raise the pH up
from 6.2 or somewhere....

|| Turn up your co2 a bit to try and hit as close to 25-30ppm.
||
||| Dosing PMDD, 3x weekly - I've used this, and never questioned, but
||| the contents are from Aqua aka, Dominic... good stuff....
||
|| Keep using it...maybe dose 4 times instead of three.

Yeah, I've thought about that.. maybe adding some to the next mixture...
upping my NO3 in the PMDD and see what happens from there...

|| The only thing I can suggest is that you need more NO3 and possibly
|| more space around the wisteria, they really branch out once they get
|| going. Make sure this plant is not under the Moneywort as
|| Wisteria seems to like loads of light. As with me some plants just
|| don't do well in certain combinations. Concentrate on the plants
|| that are doing well, possibly ditch the wisteria for the moment. You
|| can always purchase the plant again at a later stage for a second
|| chance. Sorry I can't be more informative than this. Perhaps Mr,
|| Barr or Gadd can chime in. Good luck!

They are a Godsend.. I've taken a bit from each and surmized that you may be
on to something... Tom mentioned that my NO3 may need upping, and maybe
something else... but a re arranging may help it... it was the lower/shaded
sections that grew the hair... shade may be it's enemy....

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it was the lower/shaded sections that
grew the hair... shade may be it's
enemy....


Hey Red
Everything I know or have heard about that plant is that they need lots
of light. Other than that I don't have anything more to add.

Vicki

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|| How does the top part of the plant look? Any signs of deficiencies
|| such as pale or yellow coloring? I haven't had any problems growing
|| this plant in both high and low light, obviously once it shades
|| itself
|| the lower part of the plant becomes bare, but it also usually sends
|| horizontal shoots from the base to seek brighter areas where it will
|| again grow vertical. Do you use any kind of substrate fertilizers?
|| Like most of my rooted plants, I find I can eliminate most
|| deficiencies with Seachem Tabs. If you haven't tried yet, I'd suggest
|| placing a tab under the plant and see if things change. As far as
|| shadowing goes, it sounds like you have a single PC bulb over your
|| tank, although it's enough lighting, a single bulb does cause more
|| shadows than multiple bulbs, but I don't know I'd suggest anyone to
|| change their lighting to grow wisteria ;-) Perhaps thinning out the
|| top part and any surrounding plants may help the situation. I
|| wouldn't
|| however blame lighting on any algae growth, although the base of the
|| stem may become bare from insufficient lighting, algae is growing
|| because of other reasons, could be that there are no critters that
|| eat
|| that kind of algae or an imbalance in your nutrients... You know the
|| usual stuff... Raising CO2 may certainly help.
||
|| What are your NO3 and FE levels?
||
|| I have found CSM on it's own to cause more green spot algae than some
|| other products I've used in the past, I've since mixed CSM, Flourish
|| and Flourish FE in equal proportions. Once I finish my lifetime
|| supply
|| of CSM I plan to go back to mixing TMG and Flourish as that seemed to
|| give me the best results. Obviously your milage may vary...
||
|| Hope that helps
|| Giancarlo Podio
|| www.podio.com

The lighting probably isn't enough to sustain the 'amount' of wysteria I
had, so I thinned it out... There was great growth from the top, and it
doubled in size in 2 weeks, but in that 2weeks, the bottom half of it became
covered in hair... the top, bright color, no yellowing or discoloration....
very nice... I didn't even notice the algae for the 2nd week because the top
was catching my eyes it was so pretty...

Tabs, yep, I've used them, but haven't recently... I used to put them under
my amazons, but have since moved them out...
I'm dosing with PMDD, and have flourite as the base...NO3 usually isn't very
high at all, sometimes its near 25ppm, and rarely over 40ppm *if I'm
remembering correctly* and still waiting for the Iron test... :-( I've
decided to have the LFS test for it....

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| ==========================
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| 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
| '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
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It just sounds like the top is shadowing itself, with well distributed
light this plant will grow well even in 1WPG, it does not require much
light at all, but it will shadow itself and that will give you the
bare stems you have now. You can also try to prune back some of the
stems rather than topping them and replanting the tips (if that's what
you do), this will give you smaller tips on the new growth which will
shadow the lower parts of the plants less than the big tips that
eventually grow from the replanted tops. The hair algae is just
getting caught up on the stem, I guess it's more visible because the
stem is bare. I think your situation is quite common for this plant,
thinning it out and pruning it regularly will help, you certainly have
more than enough light than this plant requires.

Hope that helps
Giancarlo Podio

"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ...
|| How does the top part of the plant look? Any signs of deficiencies
|| such as pale or yellow coloring? I haven't had any problems growing
|| this plant in both high and low light, obviously once it shades
|| itself
|| the lower part of the plant becomes bare, but it also usually sends
|| horizontal shoots from the base to seek brighter areas where it will
|| again grow vertical. Do you use any kind of substrate fertilizers?
|| Like most of my rooted plants, I find I can eliminate most
|| deficiencies with Seachem Tabs. If you haven't tried yet, I'd suggest
|| placing a tab under the plant and see if things change. As far as
|| shadowing goes, it sounds like you have a single PC bulb over your
|| tank, although it's enough lighting, a single bulb does cause more
|| shadows than multiple bulbs, but I don't know I'd suggest anyone to
|| change their lighting to grow wisteria ;-) Perhaps thinning out the
|| top part and any surrounding plants may help the situation. I
|| wouldn't
|| however blame lighting on any algae growth, although the base of the
|| stem may become bare from insufficient lighting, algae is growing
|| because of other reasons, could be that there are no critters that
|| eat
|| that kind of algae or an imbalance in your nutrients... You know the
|| usual stuff... Raising CO2 may certainly help.
||
|| What are your NO3 and FE levels?
||
|| I have found CSM on it's own to cause more green spot algae than some
|| other products I've used in the past, I've since mixed CSM, Flourish
|| and Flourish FE in equal proportions. Once I finish my lifetime
|| supply
|| of CSM I plan to go back to mixing TMG and Flourish as that seemed to
|| give me the best results. Obviously your milage may vary...
||
|| Hope that helps
|| Giancarlo Podio
|| www.podio.com

The lighting probably isn't enough to sustain the 'amount' of wysteria I
had, so I thinned it out... There was great growth from the top, and it
doubled in size in 2 weeks, but in that 2weeks, the bottom half of it became
covered in hair... the top, bright color, no yellowing or discoloration....
very nice... I didn't even notice the algae for the 2nd week because the top
was catching my eyes it was so pretty...

Tabs, yep, I've used them, but haven't recently... I used to put them under
my amazons, but have since moved them out...
I'm dosing with PMDD, and have flourite as the base...NO3 usually isn't very
high at all, sometimes its near 25ppm, and rarely over 40ppm *if I'm
remembering correctly* and still waiting for the Iron test... :-( I've
decided to have the LFS test for it....

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| 2003 TRX450ES
| 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
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I'm sorry - is this wisteria = hygrophilia diformis?
I thought it was an easy grower (hence the nickname water weeds)?

I bought 3-4 stems of hygrophilia diformis and after 4 months I have to
throw the trimmings away every week now.
Must be a different variety?




"Giancarlo Podio" wrote in message
m...
It just sounds like the top is shadowing itself, with well distributed
light this plant will grow well even in 1WPG, it does not require much
light at all, but it will shadow itself and that will give you the
bare stems you have now. You can also try to prune back some of the
stems rather than topping them and replanting the tips (if that's what
you do), this will give you smaller tips on the new growth which will
shadow the lower parts of the plants less than the big tips that
eventually grow from the replanted tops. The hair algae is just
getting caught up on the stem, I guess it's more visible because the
stem is bare. I think your situation is quite common for this plant,
thinning it out and pruning it regularly will help, you certainly have
more than enough light than this plant requires.

Hope that helps
Giancarlo Podio

"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message

...
|| How does the top part of the plant look? Any signs of deficiencies
|| such as pale or yellow coloring? I haven't had any problems growing
|| this plant in both high and low light, obviously once it shades
|| itself
|| the lower part of the plant becomes bare, but it also usually sends
|| horizontal shoots from the base to seek brighter areas where it will
|| again grow vertical. Do you use any kind of substrate fertilizers?
|| Like most of my rooted plants, I find I can eliminate most
|| deficiencies with Seachem Tabs. If you haven't tried yet, I'd suggest
|| placing a tab under the plant and see if things change. As far as
|| shadowing goes, it sounds like you have a single PC bulb over your
|| tank, although it's enough lighting, a single bulb does cause more
|| shadows than multiple bulbs, but I don't know I'd suggest anyone to
|| change their lighting to grow wisteria ;-) Perhaps thinning out the
|| top part and any surrounding plants may help the situation. I
|| wouldn't
|| however blame lighting on any algae growth, although the base of the
|| stem may become bare from insufficient lighting, algae is growing
|| because of other reasons, could be that there are no critters that
|| eat
|| that kind of algae or an imbalance in your nutrients... You know the
|| usual stuff... Raising CO2 may certainly help.
||
|| What are your NO3 and FE levels?
||
|| I have found CSM on it's own to cause more green spot algae than some
|| other products I've used in the past, I've since mixed CSM, Flourish
|| and Flourish FE in equal proportions. Once I finish my lifetime
|| supply
|| of CSM I plan to go back to mixing TMG and Flourish as that seemed to
|| give me the best results. Obviously your milage may vary...
||
|| Hope that helps
|| Giancarlo Podio
|| www.podio.com

The lighting probably isn't enough to sustain the 'amount' of wysteria I
had, so I thinned it out... There was great growth from the top, and it
doubled in size in 2 weeks, but in that 2weeks, the bottom half of it

became
covered in hair... the top, bright color, no yellowing or

discoloration....
very nice... I didn't even notice the algae for the 2nd week because the

top
was catching my eyes it was so pretty...

Tabs, yep, I've used them, but haven't recently... I used to put them

under
my amazons, but have since moved them out...
I'm dosing with PMDD, and have flourite as the base...NO3 usually isn't

very
high at all, sometimes its near 25ppm, and rarely over 40ppm *if I'm
remembering correctly* and still waiting for the Iron test... :-( I've
decided to have the LFS test for it....

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