Hi.

I have two tanks. One is 30x15", the other 24x12". I would like to
have a CO2 system for both these, but don't want to spend a lot or use
gas cannisters. I also don't want to do the home brewing method
either.

What options are there to buy? I need something that I can see the
CO2 and PH levels, so I wont kill any fish I might get for the planted
tanks. Is there any device that can regulate the amount of CO2 to the
tanks that you can use and doesn't cost a lot?

I've seen the Hagen Nutrafin Natural Plant system, and also one by
Dupla. Does anyone have either of these and are they any good?

I have a Sodastream drinks maker, and just wondered what people though
to using this for adding CO2? You could make a few hundred
millimeters of water fizzy and add a bit to the water every so often?

I appreciate any recommendations. I am just getting back into the
hobby and haven't really done planted tanks in a major way, or
successfully before.

The CO2 is the last thing I need to look at, the lighting and
everything else is all prepared.

Thanks

John

Jungle makes a product called a Co2 Fizz Factory. I bought one of these
from the LFS before I started the home-brew method.

But, basicaly the Fizz Factory is a rectangular-shaped clear container that
will sit down in the water with suction cups to mount it to one side of the
aquarium. You then have a few air lines, one at the top with a stopper that
you can use to let excess gases/Co2 out, and the other down near the bottom
of the rectangular container that is connected to a small container with a
hole in the lid with another airtube connected to it. You then fill the
small container up with a little water, drop in a Co2 Fizz Tab, and then it
will fill up the rectangular "bell" with carbon dioxide.

It says to use 3 fizz tabs a week for an aquarium around 29 gallons or so if
I remember right, and that is what caused me to go the home-brew method.
Very cheap and efficient. Those fizz tabs, at the local fish store, are
about $8 for a 16 tablet supply. So that would cost another $8 a month to
run the aquarium. But, the home-brew method.. umm.. I've spent $2 on a five
pound bag of sugar and $2 on yeast that will last me for a good 6 months.

Brian S.

"John" wrote in message
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Hi.

I have two tanks. One is 30x15", the other 24x12". I would like to
have a CO2 system for both these, but don't want to spend a lot or use
gas cannisters. I also don't want to do the home brewing method
either.

What options are there to buy? I need something that I can see the
CO2 and PH levels, so I wont kill any fish I might get for the planted
tanks. Is there any device that can regulate the amount of CO2 to the
tanks that you can use and doesn't cost a lot?

I've seen the Hagen Nutrafin Natural Plant system, and also one by
Dupla. Does anyone have either of these and are they any good?

I have a Sodastream drinks maker, and just wondered what people though
to using this for adding CO2? You could make a few hundred
millimeters of water fizzy and add a bit to the water every so often?

I appreciate any recommendations. I am just getting back into the
hobby and haven't really done planted tanks in a major way, or
successfully before.

The CO2 is the last thing I need to look at, the lighting and
everything else is all prepared.

Thanks

John

As Long as both are close just get a splitter.
Check out our main website for these.
It is basically a thing that you can hook up to your
existing regulatore or with the 6 way splitter strait to the line
itself.
the 2 way is like 20 something
Marc
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:47:23 +0100, John wrote:

Hi.

I have two tanks. One is 30x15", the other 24x12". I would like to
have a CO2 system for both these, but don't want to spend a lot or use
gas cannisters. I also don't want to do the home brewing method
either.

What options are there to buy? I need something that I can see the
CO2 and PH levels, so I wont kill any fish I might get for the planted
tanks. Is there any device that can regulate the amount of CO2 to the
tanks that you can use and doesn't cost a lot?

I've seen the Hagen Nutrafin Natural Plant system, and also one by
Dupla. Does anyone have either of these and are they any good?

I have a Sodastream drinks maker, and just wondered what people though
to using this for adding CO2? You could make a few hundred
millimeters of water fizzy and add a bit to the water every so often?

I appreciate any recommendations. I am just getting back into the
hobby and haven't really done planted tanks in a major way, or
successfully before.

The CO2 is the last thing I need to look at, the lighting and
everything else is all prepared.

Thanks

John

Take a look at my web site for info on low cost pressurized co2 equipment.
http://members.cox.net/tulsaalstons/...Pressure%20CO2

--
Bob Alston

bobalston9 AT aol DOT com
"John" wrote in message
...
Hi.

I have two tanks. One is 30x15", the other 24x12". I would like to
have a CO2 system for both these, but don't want to spend a lot or use
gas cannisters. I also don't want to do the home brewing method
either.

What options are there to buy? I need something that I can see the
CO2 and PH levels, so I wont kill any fish I might get for the planted
tanks. Is there any device that can regulate the amount of CO2 to the
tanks that you can use and doesn't cost a lot?

I've seen the Hagen Nutrafin Natural Plant system, and also one by
Dupla. Does anyone have either of these and are they any good?

I have a Sodastream drinks maker, and just wondered what people though
to using this for adding CO2? You could make a few hundred
millimeters of water fizzy and add a bit to the water every so often?

I appreciate any recommendations. I am just getting back into the
hobby and haven't really done planted tanks in a major way, or
successfully before.

The CO2 is the last thing I need to look at, the lighting and
everything else is all prepared.

Thanks

John




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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:12:49 -0500, A strange species called "Bob
Alston" wrote:

Take a look at my web site for info on low cost pressurized co2 equipment.
http://members.cox.net/tulsaalstons/...Pressure%20CO2


I decided to go the DIY route after reading a lot of stuff.

I just wondered though, these CO2 & PH permanent tests, are they any
good/accurate for telling how much CO2 is in your tank? Are there any
electronic CO2 meters you can get? I think I'd prefer an electronic
one if it's not too expensive.

I have just put together a 2 little Coke bottle with a modified top.
I do have some of those big glass wine making bottles in my cellar so
I might use them eventually.

I have just used regular yeast at the moment but will probably try get
some of the Champagne type that is better. The wine I still have in
the big bottles has been maturing for quite a while. I think its from
1996 or something like that. I will have to filter it all and put
into proper bottles.

It might be a good idea to be producing some decent wine at the same
time as giving the plants the extra CO2 they need

The only thing I need to do now is find a good method for dissolving
the CO2 to the water.

John

If you look at my web site you can see at least one co2 reactor, the one I
like, which is from PlantGuild.

As for electronic monitors, there are fairly widely used pH monitors from
Pinpoint and others that monitor pH. Once you know your hardness
calculation, you can determine the pH that will be achieved when you have
your desired co2 concentration. These pH monitors - controllers really -
are connected to solenoids in the co2 setup to turn on the solenoid and gas
flow when the pH is too high and off when it gets low enough. Again, a bit
of info on my web site.

That said, I believe the large majority of people who use pressurized co2 do
NOT use such. They are expensive and in my opinion not necessary, once you
have your system setup and stable.

--
Bob Alston

bobalston9 AT aol DOT com
"John" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:12:49 -0500, A strange species called "Bob
Alston" wrote:

Take a look at my web site for info on low cost pressurized co2 equipment.
http://members.cox.net/tulsaalstons/...Pressure%20CO2


I decided to go the DIY route after reading a lot of stuff.

I just wondered though, these CO2 & PH permanent tests, are they any
good/accurate for telling how much CO2 is in your tank? Are there any
electronic CO2 meters you can get? I think I'd prefer an electronic
one if it's not too expensive.

I have just put together a 2 little Coke bottle with a modified top.
I do have some of those big glass wine making bottles in my cellar so
I might use them eventually.

I have just used regular yeast at the moment but will probably try get
some of the Champagne type that is better. The wine I still have in
the big bottles has been maturing for quite a while. I think its from
1996 or something like that. I will have to filter it all and put
into proper bottles.

It might be a good idea to be producing some decent wine at the same
time as giving the plants the extra CO2 they need

The only thing I need to do now is find a good method for dissolving
the CO2 to the water.

John




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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:21:50 -0500, A strange species called "Bob
Alston" wrote:

If you look at my web site you can see at least one co2 reactor, the one I
like, which is from PlantGuild.

As for electronic monitors, there are fairly widely used pH monitors from
Pinpoint and others that monitor pH. Once you know your hardness
calculation, you can determine the pH that will be achieved when you have
your desired co2 concentration. These pH monitors - controllers really -
are connected to solenoids in the co2 setup to turn on the solenoid and gas
flow when the pH is too high and off when it gets low enough. Again, a bit
of info on my web site.

That said, I believe the large majority of people who use pressurized co2 do
NOT use such. They are expensive and in my opinion not necessary, once you
have your system setup and stable.


Okay, for testing the levels of CO2 I like the look of the Dupla CO2
Dauertest. Forget knowing the precise amount with electronic gizmos,
this one looks easy to use and tells you what you want to know. If you
have too much, too little or just enough.

DIY CO2 though with a coke bottle and yeast reaction, I read that the
small diffusers/atomisers made by Dupla, eHeim and ADA etc wont work
with DIY CO2 as they need to have pressure to force the bubbles
through the plates, and DIY yeast route doesn't generate enough
pressure, only compressed CO2 in bottles does?

I wanted to have one of these small atomiser diffusers because the
tanks I will be using CO2 in are only small. One is 14 Gallons, the
other about 26 gallons. I don't really want anything big in the tank
taking lots of space, and I don't fancy making my own reactor out of a
gravel cleaner.

These plant guild reactors, http://www.plantguild.com/html/co2.html
if I am using the yeast in a coke bottle generation method, do I need
to get a powered one or will the unpowered one work? And these
products are quite small aren't they? They're not the size of 10"
gravel vacs are they?

I think when I have a large aquarium I will get a compressed CO2
system and have one of those small glass ADA atomisers in the tank, I
really like the look of those.

John