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How to get rid of the wax on apples?
The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local
grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
: wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"enigma" wrote in message
. .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. Dish liquids contain surfactants that are chosen principally as oil-in-water emulsifiers. They are *not* wax solvents, and are only OK wettng agents. And although when dissolved in water they have good wetting properties, their surface and interfacial tensions are too high to form an aqueous "sheet" of liquid on a paraffin wax surface, let alone polyethylene, which is easier to wet than paraffin. There is at least one product on the market that is formulated as a food grade wetting agent rather than as an oil-in-water emulsifier. I've tested one of them on red delicious apples and it worked quite well: Earth Friendly Products 'Fruit & Vegetable Wash'. Ingredients: water, surfactant, citric acid http://www.ecos.com/ Obviously the manufacturer is very secretive about the name of the surfactant used in the formulation. Certainly they did not invent that surfactant either. I have some hunches about the possible surfactants that it could be. I know quite a bit about them. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in message
ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. Dish liquids contain surfactants that are chosen principally as oil-in-water emulsifiers. They are *not* wax solvents, and are only OK wettng agents. It's odd though, how well they work at removing the wax, although the brush is an equal partner in this process. Believe me when I tell you that the was *IS* removed. If you'd like to repeat the experiement, be sure to use Dawn dish liquid, original verson. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. Dish liquids contain surfactants that are chosen principally as oil-in-water emulsifiers. They are *not* wax solvents, and are only OK wettng agents. It's odd though, how well they work at removing the wax, although the brush is an equal partner in this process. Believe me when I tell you that the was *IS* removed. If you'd like to repeat the experiement, be sure to use Dawn dish liquid, original verson. Just did some quick research. Apples are washed clean of dust and agricultural surface contamination before they are coated. The type of wax used on apples is not paraffin, which is derived from petroleum, but carnauba, which comes from the leaf of a particular species of Brazilian palm tree (Copernica cerifera). The carnauba is dissolved in a solvent named morpholine, which functions as a coupling agent between organic and aqueous systems. Thus the solution of carnauba in morpholine is miscible in water, which enables the wax coating to be applied by an aqueous spray at room temperature or via an aqueous dip bath. The liquid coating is dried quickly by hot air treatment. All of the aforemented steps are done via a multi-step automated process, without human contact. I can now understand how Dawn Original can be helpful in removing the coating, as carnauba is easier to wet than paraffin. However, I've tested some inferior brands of fruit/vegetable spray cleaners for the consumer market, and even some of these dedicated use products were unable to produce "sheet wetting" on a coated apple. I didn't bother to further test them via scrubbing, as I want a cleaner that I could simply spray on and rinse off, without much labor. Apparently there are trace amounts of morpholine residue in the predominately carnauba coating. However I think the main health hazard is not the morpholine, but the contamination from human contact which occurs when: 1) apples are loaded into the store bins and 2) are inspected/handled by customers. Certainly it is best to completely completely strip away the wax coating rather than clean the surface of that coating, as not only would the morpholine trace be removed, but also whatever contaminates that have been trapped *into* the soft coating while the apples were in the store. Whenever I see the smaller cheaper apples that are prebagged in plastic by the grower or silo, I choose those. I figure that they must be cleaner than individually displayed apples. Costco stores now offer large premium quality apples at sharply discounted prices that are sold in clear plastic clamshell packaging. But if not for the fact that my area also has a waste-to-energy plant ("burn plant" for generating electricity) I would never buy those. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. Red delicious are still my least favorite apple for flavor, and I used to avoid them for.. I can't remember how far back! It was only after learning of their quercetin content last autumn that I began choosing them once in a while. There are 3 or 4 aspects about them that make them less enjoyable. My favorite apple is rarely available, and when it is, it is by name only, as the cultivar has been hybridized over the years and bears little resemblance to the one that we loved as kids: Stayman winesap. Although its skin was thick, and dull red, with little natural wax, and with unattractive scaly patches, it was positively the sweetest, crispest apple. They were commonly used for cooking, because many people detested their skin, which is removed for cooked recipes anyway. The modern cultivar of the Stayman winesap usually has been x-bred (possibly with Braeburn, or who know what) for the purpose of looks and to make the skin thinner, resulting in an inferior flavor that I do not prefer over other varieties. I don't think I've found a true original Stayman winesap in well over 10 years. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. Red delicious are still my least favorite apple for flavor, and I used to avoid them for.. I can't remember how far back! It was only after learning of their quercetin content last autumn that I began choosing them once in a while. There are 3 or 4 aspects about them that make them less enjoyable. My favorite apple is rarely available, and when it is, it is by name only, as the cultivar has been hybridized over the years and bears little resemblance to the one that we loved as kids: Stayman winesap. Although its skin was thick, and dull red, with little natural wax, and with unattractive scaly patches, it was positively the sweetest, crispest apple. They were commonly used for cooking, because many people detested their skin, which is removed for cooked recipes anyway. The modern cultivar of the Stayman winesap usually has been x-bred (possibly with Braeburn, or who know what) for the purpose of looks and to make the skin thinner, resulting in an inferior flavor that I do not prefer over other varieties. I don't think I've found a true original Stayman winesap in well over 10 years. Next to hostas and squash, apples are the next worst whores of the vegetable world. Stop obsessing over quercetin and just eat more apples of whatever kind you like best. Where are you from? Can you get a decent Cortland? |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. Red delicious are still my least favorite apple for flavor, and I used to avoid them for.. I can't remember how far back! It was only after learning of their quercetin content last autumn that I began choosing them once in a while. There are 3 or 4 aspects about them that make them less enjoyable. My favorite apple is rarely available, and when it is, it is by name only, as the cultivar has been hybridized over the years and bears little resemblance to the one that we loved as kids: Stayman winesap. Although its skin was thick, and dull red, with little natural wax, and with unattractive scaly patches, it was positively the sweetest, crispest apple. They were commonly used for cooking, because many people detested their skin, which is removed for cooked recipes anyway. The modern cultivar of the Stayman winesap usually has been x-bred (possibly with Braeburn, or who know what) for the purpose of looks and to make the skin thinner, resulting in an inferior flavor that I do not prefer over other varieties. I don't think I've found a true original Stayman winesap in well over 10 years. Next to hostas and squash, apples are the next worst whores of the vegetable world. Stop obsessing over quercetin and just eat more apples of whatever kind you like best. Where are you from? Can you get a decent Cortland? Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in
ink.net: Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. oh my ghods, NO! a Cortland is NOT one of those nasty mealy MacIntoshes. ew! how could you *possibly* confuse the two?! a Courtland is crisp, with a tender (but not too tender) skin, & sweet with just the right amount of acid bite. good for eating *and* baking. a MacIntosh is a nasty, mealy, hard skinned apple suitable only for apple sauce. they're just a step up from Red Delicious. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Just judging by the flavour I have always thought that the so-called
Delicious apples were manufactured from facial tissues. "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Knack" wrote in ink.net: Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. oh my ghods, NO! a Cortland is NOT one of those nasty mealy MacIntoshes. ew! how could you *possibly* confuse the two?! a Courtland is crisp, with a tender (but not too tender) skin, & sweet with just the right amount of acid bite. good for eating *and* baking. a MacIntosh is a nasty, mealy, hard skinned apple suitable only for apple sauce. they're just a step up from Red Delicious. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"enigma" wrote in message . .. "Knack" wrote in ink.net: Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. oh my ghods, NO! a Cortland is NOT one of those nasty mealy MacIntoshes. ew! how could you *possibly* confuse the two?! a Courtland is crisp, with a tender (but not too tender) skin, & sweet with just the right amount of acid bite. good for eating *and* baking. a MacIntosh is a nasty, mealy, hard skinned apple suitable only for apple sauce. they're just a step up from Red Delicious. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell Ha :-) Well, must admit that its been a while since I had one. I'll look for them next time that I'm visiting in NJ later this month, but unlike apples from Wasington and BC, their off-season availability (from controlled atmosphere storage) is hard to come by. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
"Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. They are very red but not at all delicious. -- Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 5 |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in message ink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Doug Kanter" wrote in : wrote in message ups.com... The best example is with red delicious apples purchased at your local grocery store. The apples have whitish areas/stains on the outside skin, and on red apples the white stains are especially visible. It is difficult to remove the stains even when trying to rub them off under running water. When soaked in water for 10 mins the whitish areas become even more visible. I assume they are wax, and the type of wax used on apples supposed to be water soluble and easily removable and these stains one is NOT. I do not want to eat apples with pesticides and other dirt under the wax. These stains are on apples no matter where you buy them. Is there any way to remove the wax quickly and reliably? Does it make sense to peel each apple? It's easy to remove. Get yourself a fingernail brush that you'll use just for fruits & vegetables. Put a drop or two of dish soap on the brush and scrub, then rinse (obviously). It won't hurt the apple, but it will remove the wax. Besides seeing that it's gone, you'll notice that the skin suddenly has an apple smell. this works, although i use a washrag & not a brush. one should remember that apples also have a natural waxy coating on the skin, in addion to that which is applied for storage. my guess is that the whitish area on the skin is the natural wax bloom under the artificially applied wax. the bloom would get larger if the apple was soaking. I agree with you about the pesticides, but the wax is a good thing. Without it, it's unlikely any domestically grown apples would last more than a month or three. Red Delicious have a thicker skin, and might go well without wax, but they're only good for cattle feed, so who cares? geez Doug, it's bad enough you hate dogs. now you want to subject poor innocent cows to the abomination that is a Delicious apple? you evil, twisted man! ;) the only use for a Delicious apple is starting a compost pile... Delicious apples are also good ballast for florists' fruit baskets - they keep the baskets stable so they don't tip over and damage the worthwhile fruit, if any. :-) They may not taste as good as other apple varieties, but AFAIK red delicious skins contain a far greater concentration of the antioxidant flavonoid named quercetin, than does any other variety of apple. This is also true of red onions with respect to yellow/white varieties. Other important sources of quercetin: black/green teas, cranberry, red wine, brocolli, kale, spinach, whole buckwheat flour, undutched cocoa powder Any of those things taste much better than red delicious apples. Red delicious are still my least favorite apple for flavor, and I used to avoid them for.. I can't remember how far back! It was only after learning of their quercetin content last autumn that I began choosing them once in a while. There are 3 or 4 aspects about them that make them less enjoyable. My favorite apple is rarely available, and when it is, it is by name only, as the cultivar has been hybridized over the years and bears little resemblance to the one that we loved as kids: Stayman winesap. Although its skin was thick, and dull red, with little natural wax, and with unattractive scaly patches, it was positively the sweetest, crispest apple. They were commonly used for cooking, because many people detested their skin, which is removed for cooked recipes anyway. The modern cultivar of the Stayman winesap usually has been x-bred (possibly with Braeburn, or who know what) for the purpose of looks and to make the skin thinner, resulting in an inferior flavor that I do not prefer over other varieties. I don't think I've found a true original Stayman winesap in well over 10 years. Next to hostas and squash, apples are the next worst whores of the vegetable world. Stop obsessing over quercetin and just eat more apples of whatever kind you like best. Where are you from? Can you get a decent Cortland? Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. Totally different variety. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Knack" wrote in message link.net... "enigma" wrote in message . .. "Knack" wrote in ink.net: Cortlands are grown mostly in NY state. In fact I recall trout fishing a couple times near Cortland, NY; that country is one of the greenest, lushest farmlands I've ever seen. As a kid, I recall Cortland apples as were among the first of the economy apples that were sold prebagged in supermarkets. I wonder whether they're simply McCintosh that are graded smaller in size and resold as a different variety! No, they're unavailable where I now live; in eastern Washington. oh my ghods, NO! a Cortland is NOT one of those nasty mealy MacIntoshes. ew! how could you *possibly* confuse the two?! a Courtland is crisp, with a tender (but not too tender) skin, & sweet with just the right amount of acid bite. good for eating *and* baking. a MacIntosh is a nasty, mealy, hard skinned apple suitable only for apple sauce. they're just a step up from Red Delicious. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell Ha :-) Well, must admit that its been a while since I had one. I'll look for them next time that I'm visiting in NJ later this month, but unlike apples from Wasington and BC, their off-season availability (from controlled atmosphere storage) is hard to come by. In New Jersey, your best bet for decent apples at this time of year will likely be a Wegman's store. Their apples come from Fowler Farms, near Rochester, and they go to great lengths to extend their storage quality. You can find one of the NJ stores at www.wegmans.com. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Courtlands are one of my favorites too. But my DH says MacIntoshes right off the
tree are even better than courtlands, harder, crisper. They just dont store at all. Courtlands, of course, store magnificently well. Our frig in the basement was specifically used to store our Courtlands and we ate them most of the winter. by spring they were only good for pies and such and then we started using up the greenings. Ingrid sockiescat wrote: oh my ghods, NO! a Cortland is NOT one of those nasty mealy MacIntoshes. ew! how could you *possibly* confuse the two?! a Courtland is crisp, with a tender (but not too tender) skin, & sweet with just the right amount of acid bite. good for eating *and* baking. a MacIntosh is a nasty, mealy, hard skinned apple suitable only for apple sauce. they're just a step up from Red Delicious. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:19:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: Next to hostas and squash, apples are the next worst whores of the vegetable world. Stop obsessing over quercetin and just eat more apples of whatever kind you like best. Where are you from? Can you get a decent Cortland? Is Lobo available anymore over there? It is a Canadian sort looking like those Red ones, but far richer in taste, at least when grown over here in Norway. I have only one tree left :-( And I hope it survived this winters helluwa snow weather. Haven't looked after it yet. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. Just thought that you might want to know. Umh, .... yummy. :) |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in
message oups.com... How to get rid of the wax on apples? Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. I'm really going to need to see some reliable information to back up that claim. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... How to get rid of the wax on apples? Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. I'm really going to need to see some reliable information to back up that claim. Have fun looking for it. Cheers ... |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Mr. Natural-Health"
expounded: Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... How to get rid of the wax on apples? Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. I'm really going to need to see some reliable information to back up that claim. Have fun looking for it. Cheers ... Trolling, trolling, over the bounding maine......... -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... How to get rid of the wax on apples? Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. I'm really going to need to see some reliable information to back up that claim. Have fun looking for it. Cheers ... Que mierda.... |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Ann wrote:
"Mr. Natural-Health" expounded: Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... How to get rid of the wax on apples? Eat the apples!!! The wax absorbs any surface pesticides on the apples and passes out of your body undigested. I'm really going to need to see some reliable information to back up that claim. Have fun looking for it. Cheers ... Trolling, trolling, over the bounding maine......... You guys don't write my pay check. Most of your guys don't have a clue about how do research on the WEB. And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Beggars are NOT in a position to complain about anything. Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in
message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. And, your paranoida about a NON-issue called wax on apples is worthy of no further attention on my part. Prove to me, that the wax added to apples raises any more health issues than the pesticides apple trees naturally produce to fight off pests the natural way. You guys are simply morons. Just thought that you might want to know. Ames BN, Profet M, Gold LS. Dietary pesticides (99.99% all natural). Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1990 Oct;87(19):7777-81. PMID: 2217210 http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...bmedid=2217210 |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/CO.../nn030929.html
"Apples produce their own natural wax coating during growth. This helps them retain moisture after picking. However, many packers wash picked apples with a solvent detergent to remove dirt and pesticide residues that accumulate during growth. This also removes the apple's natural wax coating, leaving the apple susceptible to loss of moisture and eating quality. To retard this chain of events, many packers coat washed apples with a commercial wax such as Carnauba. Carnauba is an inert product derived from the leaves and buds of the Brazilian wax palm. It's been used in foods since 1900 and, according to FDA's Division of Toxicology, causes no ill effects at levels used." http://www.bestapples.com/facts/waxing.html "Whether natural or applied, wax may whiten on the surface of fruits or vegetables if they have been subjected to excessive heat and/or excessive moisture. This whitening or chalky appearance is similar to that of a candy bar when you place it in the freezer. Research has shown that apple waxing prevents moisture loss, enhances firmness retention and slows down the apple respiration rate. In the most recent study conducted at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Agricultural Research Service Laboratory in Wenatchee, Wash., Red Delicious apples from Controlled Atmosphere (CA) storage were held at room temperature for eight days (duplicating how apples are treated in grocery stores). The unwaxed apples lost firmness faster than the waxed apples. A second study showed the waxed apples also had less weight loss after eight days at room temperature. Research horticulturists from the USDA report "the use of wax on Red Delicious apples improved firmness and color, and reduced weight loss." |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. And, your paranoida about a NON-issue called wax on apples is worthy of no further attention on my part. Prove to me, that the wax added to apples raises any more health issues than the pesticides apple trees naturally produce to fight off pests the natural way. You guys are simply morons. Just thought that you might want to know. I didn't claim there was a problem with the wax. Without it, we would not have decent apples 3-6 months after the harvest. I take issue with your claim that pesticides magically adhere to the wax and are flushed harmlessly out of your body. That's simply ridiculous. Furthermore, even if it were true, it would do nothing with regard to systemic pesticides. I'm sure you know what those are, right? Perhaps, if you were to concentrate? Try talking to the wall. You might get a better response. I have no intentions of continuing to talk to a self-admitted arse, like you. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. And, your paranoida about a NON-issue called wax on apples is worthy of no further attention on my part. Prove to me, that the wax added to apples raises any more health issues than the pesticides apple trees naturally produce to fight off pests the natural way. You guys are simply morons. Just thought that you might want to know. I didn't claim there was a problem with the wax. Without it, we would not have decent apples 3-6 months after the harvest. I take issue with your claim that pesticides magically adhere to the wax and are flushed harmlessly out of your body. That's simply ridiculous. Furthermore, even if it were true, it would do nothing with regard to systemic pesticides. I'm sure you know what those are, right? Perhaps, if you were to concentrate? Try talking to the wall. You might get a better response. I have no intentions of continuing to talk to a self-admitted arse, like you. Translation: In the face of facts, you have no option but to descend to insulting people. There are clones like you all over the newsgroups. Fortunately, this game is really easy. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
I don't understand all this discussion about commercially grown apples. I
thought this was a gardening forum for people who want to grow their own stuff. Sherwin D. Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. And, your paranoida about a NON-issue called wax on apples is worthy of no further attention on my part. Prove to me, that the wax added to apples raises any more health issues than the pesticides apple trees naturally produce to fight off pests the natural way. You guys are simply morons. Just thought that you might want to know. I didn't claim there was a problem with the wax. Without it, we would not have decent apples 3-6 months after the harvest. I take issue with your claim that pesticides magically adhere to the wax and are flushed harmlessly out of your body. That's simply ridiculous. Furthermore, even if it were true, it would do nothing with regard to systemic pesticides. I'm sure you know what those are, right? Perhaps, if you were to concentrate? Try talking to the wall. You might get a better response. I have no intentions of continuing to talk to a self-admitted arse, like you. Translation: In the face of facts, you have no option but to descend to insulting people. There are clones like you all over the newsgroups. Fortunately, this game is really easy. |
How to get rid of the wax on apples?
sherwindu wrote:
I don't understand all this discussion about commercially grown apples. I thought this was a gardening forum for people who want to grow their own stuff. Sherwin D. Well thanks to cross-posting, this thread is also in sci.med.nutrition. Apparently, it was started by someone paranoid about wax on commercially grown apples. There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about eating a commercially grown apple from the USA. All apples naturally have wax on them. Historically, just one person died around 1920 from pesticide contamination. Since then commercially grown apples have been washed in order to remove all contact contamination from pesticides on the skin of apples. A safe wax made from palm trees is then added in order to replace the natural wax that was washed off during the cleaning process. If anything the wax on apples documents that it is perfectly safe and healthy to eat. And, when properly handled this wax does NOT turn white. White spots on apples, documents that those apples wont stored properly. A fact that you would think that health conscience individuals would want to know about. Why would anybody want to buy white spotted apples, any more than a bunch of dark green bananas? As usual, a bunch of trolls have tried to turn a non-issue into an issue. -- -- John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science! The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message oups.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "Mr. Natural-Health" wrote in message ups.com... And, this issue is on the bottom of the list of issues that I am interested in writing about. Good! Your digested wax theory is worthy of no further attention. And, your paranoida about a NON-issue called wax on apples is worthy of no further attention on my part. Prove to me, that the wax added to apples raises any more health issues than the pesticides apple trees naturally produce to fight off pests the natural way. You guys are simply morons. Just thought that you might want to know. I didn't claim there was a problem with the wax. Without it, we would not have decent apples 3-6 months after the harvest. I take issue with your claim that pesticides magically adhere to the wax and are flushed harmlessly out of your body. That's simply ridiculous. Furthermore, even if it were true, it would do nothing with regard to systemic pesticides. I'm sure you know what those are, right? Perhaps, if you were to concentrate? Try talking to the wall. You might get a better response. I have no intentions of continuing to talk to a self-admitted arse, like you. Translation: In the face of facts, you have no option but to descend to insulting people. There are clones like you all over the newsgroups. Fortunately, this game is really easy. |
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