NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:18:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On 5 Sep 2006 07:32:57 -0700, "Sparky Organic"
wrote:

Do you honestly not know what a Master Gardener is? Oh well. I
disagree with most of what you said. Most titles or degrees reflect
some level of study or achievement. NWF certification does not.

Yeah, and a Master Gardener is given a certificate after they do slave
labor for a certain amount of work, physical hours of work. Then,
each year to maintain your status, you must do it every year.

When you walk out a Master Gardener you know basic information. I
have that certification in three states.

If it's based on slave labor, I must be a master gardener, based on the
amount of work I do in my gardens. 33+ years of this, and I've got the
calluses to show for it.


Don't side step this one. I know what I'm talking about as I taught
part of the MG program at one time. The program requires you to do a
certain amount of hours of labor in order to qualify for the title.
At one time it was 50 hours on THEIR programs, not your garden.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:41:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

This brings us right back to the OP's comments. Why did he want the Master
Gardener certification and secret decoder ring? Probably for the same reason
someone would pay what is essentially the normal NWF membership fee, and get
a certificate in return.


The difference is that, with the NWF or WWF (World Wildlife
Foundation) you are providing food, water and a place to have broods,
lay reptile eggs, have brush piles for shelter, and in the case of the
Texas certification you must have a minimum of 50% native species.

The master gardeners are nothing like NWF or WWF certicfation.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:18:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On 5 Sep 2006 07:32:57 -0700, "Sparky Organic"
wrote:

Do you honestly not know what a Master Gardener is? Oh well. I
disagree with most of what you said. Most titles or degrees reflect
some level of study or achievement. NWF certification does not.

Yeah, and a Master Gardener is given a certificate after they do slave
labor for a certain amount of work, physical hours of work. Then,
each year to maintain your status, you must do it every year.

When you walk out a Master Gardener you know basic information. I
have that certification in three states.

If it's based on slave labor, I must be a master gardener, based on the
amount of work I do in my gardens. 33+ years of this, and I've got the
calluses to show for it.


Don't side step this one. I know what I'm talking about as I taught
part of the MG program at one time. The program requires you to do a
certain amount of hours of labor in order to qualify for the title.
At one time it was 50 hours on THEIR programs, not your garden.

I'm not sidestepping anything, nor am I commenting on the value of the
program. How is the physical work you described different from what some of
us do at home? Without knowing anything about what I've grown (or killed)
for over 30 years, it's hard to say one path to knowledge is better than
another, ya know?

My only negativity here comes from the OP's comments about other peoples'
desire to have a little certificate saying their yard is something special.
I agree with him, frankly, but at the same time, I wonder why have a piece
of paper saying you're a master gardener, unless you intend to use it in
volunteer work, or perhaps as part of getting a job in that field? If you're
not doing either of those things, why isn't your own evaluation of your
knowledge good enough? You may know more about peonies or rheum palmatum
than someone else who's only well versed about lawn weeds.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:41:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

This brings us right back to the OP's comments. Why did he want the Master
Gardener certification and secret decoder ring? Probably for the same
reason
someone would pay what is essentially the normal NWF membership fee, and
get
a certificate in return.


The difference is that, with the NWF or WWF (World Wildlife
Foundation) you are providing food, water and a place to have broods,
lay reptile eggs, have brush piles for shelter, and in the case of the
Texas certification you must have a minimum of 50% native species.

The master gardeners are nothing like NWF or WWF certicfation.

I agree that those backyard goals are a good thing. But, I take sort of a
Buddhist attitude toward the certificate and the lawn sign. It's showing
off.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

I'm confused as to why you want to know why I wanted to become a master
gardener. Are you studying me? Are my motivations that fascinating?

But for your information, the reason I took the course was to learn
things. You know, education? The classes were intense and the test
was very difficult, and many people I took the class with didn't pass
the test. I now know a lot more than I knew before.

I am also done with this thread. I posted a legitimate message and all
I've gotten are inane comments. I have no idea what you're up to, but
it sure isn't honest communication.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

Your garden sounds similar to mine. I'm sorry you can't understand my
original point, but oh well.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

"Sparky Organic" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm confused as to why you want to know why I wanted to become a master
gardener. Are you studying me? Are my motivations that fascinating?

But for your information, the reason I took the course was to learn
things. You know, education? The classes were intense and the test
was very difficult, and many people I took the class with didn't pass
the test. I now know a lot more than I knew before.

I am also done with this thread. I posted a legitimate message and all
I've gotten are inane comments. I have no idea what you're up to, but
it sure isn't honest communication.


No. You commented on someone's desire to have a piece of paper saying their
yard was special. I commented on the desire to have a piece of paper saying
YOU were special.

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Because you know your busted.

Busted? How? Because I didn't choose to explain what a Master
Gardener was? Anything obvious you'd like me to Google for you? You
apparently think I exist to do other people's research.

" Anyway, it was okay for you to libel an organization. . ." Libel? I
was stating my opinion and my experience, and my feelings resulting
from same. There was no libel there. Do you work for the NWF or
something? Are you screwing someone on their staff?

For someone who claims to be so organic and ecofriendly you sure don't
seem to get it.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I'm not sidestepping anything, nor am I commenting on the value of the
program. How is the physical work you described different from what some of
us do at home? Without knowing anything about what I've grown (or killed)
for over 30 years, it's hard to say one path to knowledge is better than
another, ya know?

You man the booth at the county fair, do filing in the office, answer
phones, do weeding, etc. Hardly a learning experiennce. I wouldn't
work in an office.

My only negativity here comes from the OP's comments about other peoples'
desire to have a little certificate saying their yard is something special.
I agree with him, frankly, but at the same time, I wonder why have a piece
of paper saying you're a master gardener, unless you intend to use it in
volunteer work, or perhaps as part of getting a job in that field? If you're
not doing either of those things, why isn't your own evaluation of your
knowledge good enough? You may know more about peonies or rheum palmatum
than someone else who's only well versed about lawn weeds.


No, you cannot use it to get a job in the field of horticulture
because it means nothing. If you answer the question on the
application by saying, "yes, I want to be certified to get a job in
the field," you are usually turned down. They do not want
professionals in the program.

The Certified Backyard Wildlife Habitat is something else. I have my
yard certified so when people bitch about my plants, which appeal to
animals and birds are there for birds to eat, they can't sue me for
removing them once they go to seed. Sure it looks ragged at this time
of year, but I have many wild birds swinging on spent sunflowers, and
that's why I have that sign on my garden.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:50:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I agree that those backyard goals are a good thing. But, I take sort of a
Buddhist attitude toward the certificate and the lawn sign. It's showing
off.


I also take a Buddhist approach and it makes people ask what that is
and it suddenly turns another backyard into a habitat. It's aa
consciousness raising purpose. I certainly don't need to show off,
nor do I ever do that.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On 5 Sep 2006 14:19:05 -0700, "Sparky Organic"
wrote:

I'm confused as to why you want to know why I wanted to become a master
gardener. Are you studying me? Are my motivations that fascinating?

But for your information, the reason I took the course was to learn
things. You know, education? The classes were intense and the test
was very difficult, and many people I took the class with didn't pass
the test. I now know a lot more than I knew before.

I am also done with this thread. I posted a legitimate message and all
I've gotten are inane comments. I have no idea what you're up to, but
it sure isn't honest communication.

Hey Sparky,

You're the person who vehemently put down the efforts of a wildlife
habitat certification. Dish it, but take it.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I'm not sidestepping anything, nor am I commenting on the value of the
program. How is the physical work you described different from what some
of
us do at home? Without knowing anything about what I've grown (or killed)
for over 30 years, it's hard to say one path to knowledge is better than
another, ya know?

You man the booth at the county fair, do filing in the office, answer
phones, do weeding, etc. Hardly a learning experiennce. I wouldn't
work in an office.

My only negativity here comes from the OP's comments about other peoples'
desire to have a little certificate saying their yard is something
special.
I agree with him, frankly, but at the same time, I wonder why have a piece
of paper saying you're a master gardener, unless you intend to use it in
volunteer work, or perhaps as part of getting a job in that field? If
you're
not doing either of those things, why isn't your own evaluation of your
knowledge good enough? You may know more about peonies or rheum palmatum
than someone else who's only well versed about lawn weeds.


No, you cannot use it to get a job in the field of horticulture
because it means nothing. If you answer the question on the
application by saying, "yes, I want to be certified to get a job in
the field," you are usually turned down. They do not want
professionals in the program.

The Certified Backyard Wildlife Habitat is something else. I have my
yard certified so when people bitch about my plants, which appeal to
animals and birds are there for birds to eat, they can't sue me for
removing them once they go to seed. Sure it looks ragged at this time
of year, but I have many wild birds swinging on spent sunflowers, and
that's why I have that sign on my garden.

Some towns have rules about "messy" yards, so complaints may actually result
in a visit from a zoning droid. Does the certification help minimize the
*legal* threat, as opposed to just complaints from neighbors?

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On 5 Sep 2006 14:30:08 -0700, "Sparky Organic"
wrote:



Because you know your busted.

Busted? How? Because I didn't choose to explain what a Master
Gardener was? Anything obvious you'd like me to Google for you? You
apparently think I exist to do other people's research.

" Anyway, it was okay for you to libel an organization. . ." Libel? I
was stating my opinion and my experience, and my feelings resulting
from same. There was no libel there. Do you work for the NWF or
something? Are you screwing someone on their staff?

For someone who claims to be so organic and ecofriendly you sure don't
seem to get it.

Because I love the work of the NWF and WWF I'm screwing someone on
their staff? What is it I don't get? That the NWF doesn't screw
people the way you clearly implied?

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:45:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


The Certified Backyard Wildlife Habitat is something else. I have my
yard certified so when people bitch about my plants, which appeal to
animals and birds are there for birds to eat, they can't sue me for
removing them once they go to seed. Sure it looks ragged at this time
of year, but I have many wild birds swinging on spent sunflowers, and
that's why I have that sign on my garden.

Some towns have rules about "messy" yards, so complaints may actually result
in a visit from a zoning droid. Does the certification help minimize the
*legal* threat, as opposed to just complaints from neighbors?


Yes, absolutely. It has to be both Texas Parks and Wildlife AND NWF
Certified. Most people here out of 31 homes all know I have to let it
go wild and scruffy for a period which many plants set seed. Sometime
in September we'll go out and neaten up.

They sure do love the entire lawn and street strips in spring when the
Bluebonnets are thick with color.

NWF Certification. . .grr. . . .
 

On 5 Sep 2006 14:30:08 -0700, "Sparky Organic"
wrote:



Because you know your busted.

Busted? How? Because I didn't choose to explain what a Master
Gardener was? Anything obvious you'd like me to Google for you? You
apparently think I exist to do other people's research.

" Anyway, it was okay for you to libel an organization. . ." Libel? I
was stating my opinion and my experience, and my feelings resulting
from same. There was no libel there. Do you work for the NWF or
something? Are you screwing someone on their staff?

For someone who claims to be so organic and ecofriendly you sure don't
seem to get it.

Ah, okay...you're a nutter. RUN along