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Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


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chatnoir wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


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On 12/8/06 6:39 PM, in article
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chatnoir wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl

I'd add rugosa roses, hollies and other spiny ornamentals.

Cheryl

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
chatnoir wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl


Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!

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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 12/8/06 6:39 PM, in article
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wrote:

chatnoir wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl

I'd add rugosa roses, hollies and other spiny ornamentals.

Cheryl


Will look into it!



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On 8 Dec 2006 12:48:31 -0800, "chatnoir"
wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?



Agaves, artichokes, Natal Plum
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chatnoir wrote:
Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

chatnoir wrote:


Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl



Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!


http://www.forestfarm.com/search/sea...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

or
http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
chatnoir wrote:
Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

chatnoir wrote:


Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl



Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!


http://www.forestfarm.com/search/sea...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

or
http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Carl



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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
chatnoir wrote:
Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

chatnoir wrote:


Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl



Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!


http://www.forestfarm.com/search/sea...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

or
http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Carl


This is what I always find interesting and confusing!

The Forest Farm site:

http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Lists:

Pyracantha angustifolia 'Gnome' (R) COMPACT FIRETHORN Dec (z5)

Pyracantha coccinea 'Harlequin' VARIEGATED FIRETHORN EG (z7)

But Daves Plants lists it as!:

Pyracantha angustifolia - USDA Zone 6b: to -20.5 C (-5 F) as the
limit

Pyracantha coccinea - USDA Zone 5a: to -28.8 C (-20 F) as the limit

The USDA site tends to support Dave's plants Position:

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PYRAC

----------

I mean over the years I have bought Xeriscapic plants with XXXXX rating
- Could grow on Venus essentially! They are the first to fold in a
heat wave! Wii try the Pyracantha coccinea!

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
chatnoir wrote:
Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

chatnoir wrote:


Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl



Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!


http://www.forestfarm.com/search/sea...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

or
http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Carl


This is what I always find interesting and confusing!

The Forest Farm site:

http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Lists:

Pyracantha angustifolia 'Gnome' (R) COMPACT FIRETHORN Dec (z5)

Pyracantha coccinea 'Harlequin' VARIEGATED FIRETHORN EG (z7)

But Daves Plants lists it as!:

Pyracantha angustifolia - USDA Zone 6b: to -20.5 C (-5 F) as the
limit

Pyracantha coccinea - USDA Zone 5a: to -28.8 C (-20 F) as the limit

The USDA site tends to support Dave's plants Position:

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PYRAC

----------

I mean over the years I have bought Xeriscapic plants with XXXXX rating
- Could grow on Venus essentially! They are the first to fold in a
heat wave! Wii try the Pyracantha coccinea!



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chatnoir wrote:

Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

chatnoir wrote:

Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:


chatnoir wrote:



Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?


Might depend on where you live (zone/water,etc.) and your local
'setback' and utility eaements etc. But , in many communities, a close
neighbor would actually havr to register a complaint for most plants I
think.

check out pyracantha.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1707/index.html


Carl



Looks great and is not a pest plant outlawed for selling as some I have
looked at such as Yellow Star thistle - and I can see why that is
outlawed!! I am in zone 5 and xeriscape and like to attract bees!
Liiks good but No vendor [email protected]

http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/p/pyrcoc/pyrcoc1.html

Looks like some varieties are pretty well tamed!


http://www.forestfarm.com/search/sea...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

or
http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Carl



This is what I always find interesting and confusing!

The Forest Farm site:

http://tinyurl.com/sel8h

Lists:

Pyracantha angustifolia 'Gnome' (R) COMPACT FIRETHORN Dec (z5)

Pyracantha coccinea 'Harlequin' VARIEGATED FIRETHORN EG (z7)

But Daves Plants lists it as!:

Pyracantha angustifolia - USDA Zone 6b: to -20.5 C (-5 F) as the
limit

Pyracantha coccinea - USDA Zone 5a: to -28.8 C (-20 F) as the limit

The USDA site tends to support Dave's plants Position:

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=PYRAC

----------

I mean over the years I have bought Xeriscapic plants with XXXXX rating
- Could grow on Venus essentially! They are the first to fold in a
heat wave! Wii try the Pyracantha coccinea!

Perhaps some of the cultivars are more sensitive than the species?

I dunno


Carl


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Charles wrote:
On 8 Dec 2006 12:48:31 -0800, "chatnoir"
wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?



Agaves, artichokes, Natal Plum



Looks like a good one!

http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/...greenbrier.htm

header:

Bristly Greenbrier
Smilax hispida
Lily family (Liliaceae)

Description: This native woody vine is up to 10-15' long; it climbs
over adjacent shrubs or the lower branches of trees using tendrils. The
woody stems are mostly green and round; lower stems are heavily armed
with stout straight spines and stiff bristles, while upper stems have
few, if any, spines. These spines and bristles become dark brown or
black with age. The alternate leaves are up to 5" long and 4" across;
they are oval to broadly ovate, smooth along the margins, and hairless.
Their margins may have minute teeth, but this is easier to see with a
10x hand lens. Each leaf has 3-7 parallel veins; its upper surface is
green, while the lower surface is light green (but not glaucous). At
the base of each leaf, there is a slender petiole and a pair of curly
tendrils. These tendrils are initially green, but they later become
rather stiff and brown. ...

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[quote=chatnoir]Charles wrote:
On 8 Dec 2006 12:48:31 -0800, "chatnoir"
wrote:

Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?



Agaves, artichokes, Natal Plum



Looks like a good one!

http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/...greenbrier.htm

header:

Bristly Greenbrier
Smilax hispida
Lily family (Liliaceae)

Description: This native woody vine is up to 10-15' long; it climbs
over adjacent shrubs or the lower branches of trees using tendrils. The
woody stems are mostly green and round; lower stems are heavily armed
with stout straight spines and stiff bristles, while upper stems have
few, if any, spines. These spines and bristles become dark brown or
black with age. The alternate leaves are up to 5" long and 4" across;
they are oval to broadly ovate, smooth along the margins, and hairless.
Their margins may have minute teeth, but this is easier to see with a
10x hand lens. Each leaf has 3-7 parallel veins; its upper surface is
green, while the lower surface is light green (but not glaucous). At
the base of each leaf, there is a slender petiole and a pair of curly
tendrils. These tendrils are initially green, but they later become
rather stiff and brown. ...

we had a thorny plants at the garden center where i worked and they were none to friendly. we had to use gloves to move the things.
it was called a devils walking stick. here is a link that might help u some.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1658.html
good luck, sockiescat.
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sockiescat wrote:
chatnoir Wrote:

Charles wrote:-
On 8 Dec 2006 12:48:31 -0800, "chatnoir"
wrote:
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Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?-


Agaves, artichokes, Natal Plum-


Looks like a good one!

http://tinyurl.com/yygzso

header:

Bristly Greenbrier
Smilax hispida
Lily family (Liliaceae)

Description: This native woody vine is up to 10-15' long; it climbs
over adjacent shrubs or the lower branches of trees using tendrils.
The
woody stems are mostly green and round; lower stems are heavily armed
with stout straight spines and stiff bristles, while upper stems have
few, if any, spines. These spines and bristles become dark brown or
black with age. The alternate leaves are up to 5" long and 4" across;
they are oval to broadly ovate, smooth along the margins, and
hairless.
Their margins may have minute teeth, but this is easier to see with a
10x hand lens. Each leaf has 3-7 parallel veins; its upper surface is
green, while the lower surface is light green (but not glaucous). At
the base of each leaf, there is a slender petiole and a pair of curly
tendrils. These tendrils are initially green, but they later become
rather stiff and brown. ...

we had a thorny plants at the garden center where i worked and they
were none to friendly. we had to use gloves to move the things.
it was called a devils walking stick. here is a link that might help u
some.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1658.html
good luck, sockiescat.


What about Hawthornes?

Kate
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sockiescat wrote:
chatnoir Wrote:
Charles wrote:-
On 8 Dec 2006 12:48:31 -0800, "chatnoir"
wrote:
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Living near a particularly revolting bar, I am subjected to repeated
trespass or my property and destruction ot same! In the front I
planted stinging Nettle! A major success although of questionable
legal standing! Are there any plants with spines or thorns that will
do the same job with less legal impact?-


Agaves, artichokes, Natal Plum-


Looks like a good one!

http://tinyurl.com/yygzso

header:

Bristly Greenbrier
Smilax hispida
Lily family (Liliaceae)

Description: This native woody vine is up to 10-15' long; it climbs
over adjacent shrubs or the lower branches of trees using tendrils.
The
woody stems are mostly green and round; lower stems are heavily armed
with stout straight spines and stiff bristles, while upper stems have
few, if any, spines. These spines and bristles become dark brown or
black with age. The alternate leaves are up to 5" long and 4" across;
they are oval to broadly ovate, smooth along the margins, and
hairless.
Their margins may have minute teeth, but this is easier to see with a
10x hand lens. Each leaf has 3-7 parallel veins; its upper surface is
green, while the lower surface is light green (but not glaucous). At
the base of each leaf, there is a slender petiole and a pair of curly
tendrils. These tendrils are initially green, but they later become
rather stiff and brown. ...

we had a thorny plants at the garden center where i worked and they
were none to friendly. we had to use gloves to move the things.
it was called a devils walking stick. here is a link that might help u
some.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1658.html
good luck, sockiescat.




Looks good!



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