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Can you explain something to me? On the border between Indiana and
Illinois there is little coma shaped zone 5 in the middle of a massive area
of zone 6. Is that a lake effect thing? And why that odd little shape?

It never fails that I am *somewhere* near one of those odd little areas and
I have wondered how and why they are there.
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I'm glad someone's keeping track of zone changes.
So far here this year, the minimum temperature is -1 F, and -15 to -20
is normal.
It's still early in the winter, but we haven't dipped down to average
temperature in over three weeks.

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The new map looks close to the 1960 map.
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/Usa_zone.htm



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In article says...
http://arborday.org/media/zones.cfm

The new map looks close to the 1960 map.
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/Usa_zone.htm


Not really. The new map puts Chicago extremely close to zone 6 and the
1960 map looks like the 1990 map. I realize global warming is probably
not a good thing but I don't mind being upzoned without having to move.




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Extreme winter lows are not the only climate factor to be considered
when choosing plants. Summer highs are also significant, as are such
things as how long the lows and highs last, the general amount of
moisture in the air, the wind patterns, etc. That's why I still refer
to Sunset zones.

Fuschias are hardy enough for where I live. I can't grow them because
my summers are too hot and dry.


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Can you explain something to me? On the border between Indiana and
Illinois there is little coma shaped zone 5 in the middle of a massive
area
of zone 6. Is that a lake effect thing? And why that odd little shape?

It never fails that I am *somewhere* near one of those odd little areas
and
I have wondered how and why they are there.


Valley, maybe? Perhaps you can spot something useful he
http://birrell.org/andrew/reliefMaps/


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Interesting how the climate for some of us has altered in our gardening
patterns. I started out in zone 6 in middle Tennessee, lived in
Denver's zone 5 for five years, (there is at least one of you I've sent
this to that has lived for a few decades, gardening in Denver, and
remembering the blizzards and deep snows that are prevailing this year,)
then after settling into a zone 6b zone for almost ten years, I moved to
Eastern Tennessee in 1992, where I happened upon the first two years of
the gradual change in THEIR climate. Nashville had already started
changing, and I remembered it actually started as far back as the mid
seventies. Nevertheless... This website is awesome in that it shows
with reasonable accuracy exactly what I've been able to observe from
having gardened and lived in three places and zones over the last 54
years. The animation of how the zones have changed and the differences
in rising and falling (not many) temperatures drove home things as a
gardener I've started noticing. Warmer winters, more rains.....or more
snow's for some g But I appreciate this showing me with clarity where
I garden and what I can tuck into my already bursting fairy gardens some
things that might be a bit more tender were it not for it being warmer
in my region now. I hope you can get the full effects of the animation.
Gardeners are so easy to please! gbseg Happy Solstice, and check the
Hellebore's, they're making leaves and pre-buds here in Fairy Holler!
And here I am wishin' for snow! (we still got January and February to
get through, and there's ALWAYS the distinct possiblity of a snit fit
and a good dump in early March........) not for 13 years now......but
I'd not mind one....LOL The flowers and perennials benefit from a good,
deep snow for about a week-

madgardener up on the damp and chilly ridge, back in Fairy Holler,
overlooking a clear and sharp English Mountian in pre-Christmas Eve, in
Eastern Tennessee, zone 7,Sunset zone 36 (I might have to re-figure this
one......)
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called microclimates

lake effect would be warmer, something seems to be keeping that comma you mention the
same temp as the area around it has warmed.
cold air sinks. I know Wisconsin and there are a couple dots that are colder in the
western part of the state due to deeper valleys. now between WI and MN the
Mississippi joins a tributary and it is a large enough body of water to heat that
area.
cities are significantly warmer, called heat islands. there is also manufacturing
that would warm the areas on either side of that comma. pollution from manufacturing
might significantly block sunlight. even air planes contrails have been shown to
block sunlight (perhaps the only good thing to come of 9/11 was the ability to detect
affects of planes on environment).
Ingrid

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Can you explain something to me? On the border between Indiana and
Illinois there is little coma shaped zone 5 in the middle of a massive area
of zone 6. Is that a lake effect thing? And why that odd little shape?

It never fails that I am *somewhere* near one of those odd little areas and
I have wondered how and why they are there.




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