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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
OK, first we're building this wall, everyone please admire.... www.cet.com/~pennys/images/wallview.jpg What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
"Penny S." wrote:
I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. Not really a good idea: you create "potholes" of heavily amended soil and the roots tend to stay in them. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? Why? It's stabilizing the slore while your new plants get their own root masses going. As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. Just leave it alone. Tsu -- To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Jules Henri Poincaré |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter
(ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. At this point, you need to focus on building up the life in the soil. This is best done with a natural, nutrient-packed product. The only organic product that I have found that actually works is made by a company called Terralife. Their website: www.save-a-tree.com Good luck! Callie N. "Penny S." wrote in message ... OK, first we're building this wall, everyone please admire.... www.cet.com/~pennys/images/wallview.jpg What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
Callie N. wrote:
Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter (ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. At this point, you need to focus on building up the life in the soil. This is best done with a natural, nutrient-packed product. The only organic product that I have found that actually works is made by a company called Terralife. Their website: www.save-a-tree.com Good luck! Callie N. I didn't specifically ask for chemicals now, did I ;-) So you are recommended top dressing with compost then, or what? I'm not clear. The site you recommeded really wasnt' that helpful... tree food or some pages under constuction. thanks Penny S |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:24:36 -0700, "Penny S."
wrote: OK, first we're building this wall, everyone please admire.... www.cet.com/~pennys/images/wallview.jpg What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s Wow! That's pretty impressive. My back aches just looking gat all those rocks. The dead grass roots aren't a problem. You could use them when you're amending your planting holes if you like. If you're not going to be planting this year you could apply a high nitrogen fertilizer and cover with visquine (sp). When you're all done and have it planted don'r forget to post another picture. I'd like to see how it will look. zhan |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
Oops, Sorry Penny, I guess I wasn't very clear. The soil ammendment
product is called "Save-A-Tree", but you could use the save-a-tree.com "Ask An Expert" page to inquire how this product will help in your situation: http://www.save-a-tree.com/expert.htm I read about a university study on this product and how it boosted the microbial activity in the soil by about 400 times! It sounds like it might work for your situation, but maybe not. |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
I am from South Africa and here we have a product called EM (which stands
for Effective micro-organisms) that is imported from Japan (as far as I know). If you spray the soil with this solution of EM regularly, it will improve the soil live as well. It is a complete organic product as well. Callie N. wrote in message om... Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter (ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. At this point, you need to focus on building up the life in the soil. This is best done with a natural, nutrient-packed product. The only organic product that I have found that actually works is made by a company called Terralife. Their website: www.save-a-tree.com Good luck! Callie N. "Penny S." wrote in message ... OK, first we're building this wall, everyone please admire.... www.cet.com/~pennys/images/wallview.jpg What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s |
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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:
(Callie N.) wrote: Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter (ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. Oh really? Since when does Roundup kill anything that doesn't have chlorophyll? And which soil bacteria have it? Tsu yes thanks... this is my understanding of how RU works too... Penny S |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:14:07 -0700, "Penny S."
wrote: Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: (Callie N.) wrote: Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter (ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. Oh really? Since when does Roundup kill anything that doesn't have chlorophyll? And which soil bacteria have it? Tsu yes thanks... this is my understanding of how RU works too... Penny S You mean your understanding of Monsanto's explanation. Glyphosate has well-documented deleterious effects on soil micro-organisms. You and Tsu need to wake up. Synergy between Glyphosate application and Fusarium species. This is research from the early 1980's that shows a definitive relationship between the application of Glyphosate and the post-application growth of Fusarium in the soil. This shows that the soil can remain poisoned -not only as a direct effect of Glyphosate, but by the secondary effects of an artificially-stimulated and enlarged growth of mycotoxin-producing Fusaria. In other words, the Glyphosate kills various soil micro-organisms (which in of itself may be deleterious), some of those which keep naturally-occurring Fusaria in check. The Fusaria then take over, contaminating the soils with mycotoxins for an undetermined amount of time, and can produce noticeably lower yields in the consecutive crops. Thus, ecologies that are being sprayed with Glyphosate, especially in the Amazon area, the "lungs of the planet," may be at risk, not just from the primary effects of Glyphosate, but these secondary effects as well. Effect of Soilborne Plant-Pathogenic Fungi on the Herbicidal Action of Glyphosate on Bean Seedlings, Gurmukh S. Johal and James E. Rahe, Phytopathology, Vol. 74, No. 8, 1984 Effects of glyphosate on Fusarium spp.: its influence on root colonization of weeds, propagule density in the soil, and crop emergence. C. André Lévesque and James E. Rahe, and David M. Eaves, Canadian Journal of Microbiology, Vol. 33, 1987 "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 07:42:02 +0200, "Eugene Ferreira"
wrote: I am from South Africa and here we have a product called EM (which stands for Effective micro-organisms) that is imported from Japan (as far as I know). If you spray the soil with this solution of EM regularly, it will improve the soil live as well. It is a complete organic product as well. I believe that SFI www.soilfoodweb.com is working on a lab in SA. You might want to email Dr. Ingham. "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
"Penny S." wrote: Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: (Callie N.) wrote: Soils that are "alive" with microbes will break down organic matter (ie. dead root balls) more quickly. When chemicals are applied to kill weeds, they also kill the other life in the soil. Oh really? Since when does Roundup kill anything that doesn't have chlorophyll? And which soil bacteria have it? Tsu yes thanks... this is my understanding of how RU works too... Perhaps it might be better if you developed an understanding of soils and soil organisms. Any substance applied to the soil - and that can include excessive amounts of fertilizers, both natural and synthetic, even overwatering or overtilling - can disrupt populations of soil organisms. Ecosystems, specially soil ecosystems, are extremely fragile structures that are easily damaged and brought out of balance by artificial means. Fortunately soils and their biomass have an ability to regain their system balance rather rapidly, provide one does not repeatedly disrupt them, specially through chemical means. BTW, the statement that Roundup is unable to kill anything without chlorophyll is naive in the extreme. It is an isopropylamine or trimethylsulfonium salt - try pouring table salt on your garden soil and see what happens. |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
Penny S. wrote:
OK, first we're building this wall, everyone please admire.... www.cet.com/~pennys/images/wallview.jpg What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s Weeds don't grow under juniper, and my isn't that a different tonic called 'Gin' (from juniper). my dear, you may count those roots pesistant, at least moreso then ur average rooties, nice wall |
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Trish K. wrote:
Penny S. wrote: What was here was overgrown junipers, kinnikinnik, grass and weeds. We hand pulled all the jumipers and dug the stumps out, killed the grass with numerous applications of round up. I really wanted to bobcat all the old crap out but that idea was vetoed. So now we have a lot of dead rootmass from the grass. It's good for stabilization on the slopes. As we gradually plant, we amend each large hole very well. There are a good number of worms living here anyway. The real question is, is there a recommended top dressing or product that would help the root mass break down faster? As we fill in the uneven spots, we are bringing in top quality bedding mix too. thanks penny s Weeds don't grow under juniper, and my isn't that a different tonic called 'Gin' (from juniper). my dear, you may count those roots pesistant, at least moreso then ur average rooties, nice wall weeds may not gorw under them but the grass sure grew THROUGH it. p. |
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need some soil amendment advice, I think.
Tom & Pam,
I've been away from my computer the past couple of days and was pleased to come back and read your responses... sometimes I wonder if people have forgotten that the soil is full of life. Someday I think that we'll look back and shake our heads at how ignorant we all were about the life in the soil... I'm already shaking my head. Thanks for your refreshing knowledge on this subject. Callie |
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