On Sat, 05 May 2007 13:14:06 -0700, Hurt wrote:


The biggest rumors I've heard (only rumors!) as to this was a notice
about genetically modified corn, or minor changes in earths magnetic
field (bees use it as a kind of GPS to find home in addition to the
orientation by sun). Might be there is a point.

There you go. The bees get disoriented, wander into hornet territory, and
become roadkill. Sounds simplistically funny but it might be just that
simple.

IIRC, bees also use polarized UV to navigate. Maybe the solar UV has
changed.

IIRC, bees also use polarized UV to navigate. Maybe the solar UV has
changed.

Could be. Could be aerosols and/or changes in ozone.

Hanson Helped Kill 36 Human Beings with Global Warming

Heat wave in Orissa, 36 dead
Jajati Karan

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/05...ead-39594.html

Bhubaneshwar: The heat wave in Orissa has claimed the lives of 36
people though official figures put the toll at six. With temperature
rising over 43 degrees Celsius particularly in western part of the
state, there is no respite in sight for the people of Orissa.

For 44-year-old Birendra Mahasuara, a priest at the Kedar Gouri temple
in Bhubaneswar, an early morning bath in the temple pond is a daily
ritual. But with temperatures crossing 43 degrees Celsius, it is not a
ritual any more but a compulsion.

"I am a priest; I cannot afford AC in my house. So by bathing at least
four times in a day I try to keep my body cool," says Birendra
Mahasuara.

The state government has already initiated some measures to combat the
heat like changing the working hours for labourers and school timing
for children.

Even the Meteorological department in Bhubaneswar says the heat wave
will not abate soon.

"There is some sea breeze in coastal Orissa but that does not reach
western Orissa due to North westerly hot winds flowing there. So it's
becoming very hot out there," Director of Meteorological department
(Bhubaneswar) SC Sahoo says.

So far in Orissa the highest temperature has been 50.1 degree Celsius
recorded at Titlagarh in 2003. The people in Orissa have already
experienced such extreme weather in the past and that is why they have
also learnt the art of beating the heat.

Bug spray. They tried to build a nest where they were not welcome, and were
dealt with appropriately.


"Hurt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Could this be why bees are disappearing?

Yesterday evening, while waiting for a bus, I noticed a bunch of bees
dead on the pavement. I also noticed a hornet trying to carry away a
dead bee body. Now I've seen this before so I figured that bees and
hornets fight. And they do. Now I thought to myself, what if the
missing bees are succumbing to a greater number or to the activity of
hornets that is somehow related to global "warming". So I did a
little "googling" and BINGO, a potential link. It turns out that
hornets can be more active when exposed to more UV light because they
stay cooler! So if greater solar activity is causing more UV light
and warming, which I believe it is, it could also explain the missing
bees. (See article)

Any comments?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/topics



http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/6/2/1

Insects stay cool with thermoelectricity

3 June 2003

Researchers in Israel have found the first evidence for natural heat
pumps in living creatures. David Bergman and colleagues from Tel Aviv
University used infrared imaging to show that wasps can sometimes
remain much cooler than their surroundings. This is also the first
time that the thermoelectric effect has been seen to play a role in
the physiology of an animal (J S Ishay et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett 90
218102).

Some wasps and hornets live in parts of the world where local
temperatures can reach 60 oC or more. 'Social' wasps live in nests and
regularly go outside to forage for food. During such activities the
wasp produces heat that originates in its flight muscles and then
spreads throughout the rest of its body. This should make the wasps
even hotter but in experiments with oriental hornets Bergman and co-
workers found that the internal body temperature of the wasps could be
significantly cooler than the ambient temperature.

The Israeli workers argue that the insect must possess a heat pump,
which works by using power generated from electrochemical reactions in
its body. They believe that additional power is generated by the
photovoltaic effect in the hornet's shell. This means that an
electrical current is produced when the shell is exposed to sunlight -
in a mechanism similar to that in a semiconductor p-n junction when
irradiated with visible or ultraviolet light. "This could explain how
hornets remain active even on very hot summer days," Bergman told
PhysicsWeb.

The researchers also took transmission and scanning electron
micrographs of the shell. They observed a microstructure that was very
similar to that of a practical thermoelectric heat pump - but on a
different length scale (see figure).


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In article , kT
wrote:

Peter Muehlbauer wrote:

with the help of some great scientists I'm in contact I found them.\

From the guy who thought the Antarctic was a floating ice raft :

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...6af3645?hl=en&

Quoting Peter Muehlbauer :

Antarctica IS SEA ICE, nothing else.
There is no landmass below antarctica... idiot!

Wow, what a great ride. Sturm und drang with a Keystone Cops ending. I
love it. And thanks kT for the strategic placing of that banana peel.
But seriously guys, just a couple of questions.

Why would UV light manifest itself in honeybees as a form of AIDS? (The
bees have multiple infections.) Why would normal predators stay away
from their hive when it is defenseless? Then there is the testimony of
healthy bees in Europe. Wouldn't you expect UV be a world wide, or at
least a hemispheric phenomenon? The UV argument doesn't seem to be
internally consistent.

Then there is the problem of science. Science will always be an "art
form" because somebody has to interpret the generated data. There is
always the chance, and I emphasize the word "chance", that science could
be wrong and divine revelation might be right. Should we continue on,
doing what we have been doing and take the risk of mass extinction or,
do we change our behavior and, take the risk of looking silly in the
future, when it turns out there was no problem? Hmmmm?

One way we are dead. The other way we look silly. Which gamble do you
want to take?

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Lol hey maybe thats why there was a recent cold spell in America, its all
global warming.

"Hurt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Could this be why bees are disappearing?

Yesterday evening, while waiting for a bus, I noticed a bunch of bees
dead on the pavement. I also noticed a hornet trying to carry away a
dead bee body. Now I've seen this before so I figured that bees and
hornets fight. And they do. Now I thought to myself, what if the
missing bees are succumbing to a greater number or to the activity of
hornets that is somehow related to global "warming". So I did a
little "googling" and BINGO, a potential link. It turns out that
hornets can be more active when exposed to more UV light because they
stay cooler! So if greater solar activity is causing more UV light
and warming, which I believe it is, it could also explain the missing
bees. (See article)

Any comments?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/topics



http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/6/2/1

Insects stay cool with thermoelectricity

3 June 2003

Researchers in Israel have found the first evidence for natural heat
pumps in living creatures. David Bergman and colleagues from Tel Aviv
University used infrared imaging to show that wasps can sometimes
remain much cooler than their surroundings. This is also the first
time that the thermoelectric effect has been seen to play a role in
the physiology of an animal (J S Ishay et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett 90
218102).

Some wasps and hornets live in parts of the world where local
temperatures can reach 60 oC or more. 'Social' wasps live in nests and
regularly go outside to forage for food. During such activities the
wasp produces heat that originates in its flight muscles and then
spreads throughout the rest of its body. This should make the wasps
even hotter but in experiments with oriental hornets Bergman and co-
workers found that the internal body temperature of the wasps could be
significantly cooler than the ambient temperature.

The Israeli workers argue that the insect must possess a heat pump,
which works by using power generated from electrochemical reactions in
its body. They believe that additional power is generated by the
photovoltaic effect in the hornet's shell. This means that an
electrical current is produced when the shell is exposed to sunlight -
in a mechanism similar to that in a semiconductor p-n junction when
irradiated with visible or ultraviolet light. "This could explain how
hornets remain active even on very hot summer days," Bergman told
PhysicsWeb.

The researchers also took transmission and scanning electron
micrographs of the shell. They observed a microstructure that was very
similar to that of a practical thermoelectric heat pump - but on a
different length scale (see figure).


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On 5 May 2007 13:14:06 -0700, Hurt wrote:


The biggest rumors I've heard (only rumors!) as to this was a notice
about genetically modified corn, or minor changes in earths magnetic
field (bees use it as a kind of GPS to find home in addition to the
orientation by sun). Might be there is a point.

There you go. The bees get disoriented, wander into hornet territory,
and become roadkill. Sounds simplistically funny but it might be just
that simple.


Or a particularly nasty form of mite thats killing off the bees.

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On 5 May 2007 10:07:47 -0700, Hurt
wrote:

Could this be why bees are disappearing?

Not likely, as hornets prey on bees and have been doing so long before
Al Gore and the rest of the global warming ninny's decided to make it
fashionable.


Yesterday evening, while waiting for a bus, I noticed a bunch of bees
dead on the pavement. I also noticed a hornet trying to carry away a
dead bee body. Now I've seen this before so I figured that bees and
hornets fight. And they do. Now I thought to myself, what if the
missing bees are succumbing to a greater number or to the activity of
hornets that is somehow related to global "warming". So I did a
little "googling" and BINGO, a potential link. It turns out that
hornets can be more active when exposed to more UV light because they
stay cooler! So if greater solar activity is causing more UV light
and warming, which I believe it is, it could also explain the missing
bees. (See article)

Any comments?

Don't quit your day job.

snip
One way we are dead. The other way we look silly. Which gamble do you
want to take?


I think the problem with that line of reasoning is that we don't really know
for sure what is happening, nor what we should do about it. We don't even
know if we *can* do anything about it. Do we shut down cell towers just in
case it is causing the dead bees? We better shut off all TV and Radio
transmitters also. Maybe DirecTV and Dish satellites is the problem, better
shut those off also. Do we stop all CO2 emmisions just in case it is
contributing to global warming? Should we shut down all industry that
produces CO2 and other gasses? Should we shut down all cars right now before
it is too late? Shut off all power transmission because of what power lines
are doing?

I'm not really trying to be facetious or ridiculous, but my point is that
the important questions have not been answered, and until they are, we
really don't know what we should do. I do believe that what little we are
doing, and what little we have planned, won't make a significant difference.
If we are going to do something, it needs to be drastic and immediate.
Before it is too late.

Ook wrote:
snip
One way we are dead. The other way we look silly. Which gamble do you
want to take?


I think the problem with that line of reasoning is that we don't
really know for sure what is happening, nor what we should do about
it. We don't even know if we *can* do anything about it. Do we shut
down cell towers just in case it is causing the dead bees? We better
shut off all TV and Radio transmitters also. Maybe DirecTV and Dish
satellites is the problem, better shut those off also. Do we stop all
CO2 emmisions just in case it is contributing to global warming?
Should we shut down all industry that produces CO2 and other gasses?
Should we shut down all cars right now before it is too late? Shut
off all power transmission because of what power lines are doing?

I'm not really trying to be facetious or ridiculous, but my point is
that the important questions have not been answered, and until they
are, we really don't know what we should do. I do believe that what
little we are doing, and what little we have planned, won't make a
significant difference. If we are going to do something, it needs to
be drastic and immediate. Before it is too late.


It's amazing how these gomers will spend so much energy to assist
incompetent parents bring unwanted chikdren into the world but won't lift a
finger or spend a dime to educate "parents" in responsible behavior or allow
the responsible resolution of unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancy. Truly
stunning.

--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"Hurt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Could this be why bees are disappearing?

Yesterday evening, while waiting for a bus, I noticed a bunch of bees
dead on the pavement. I also noticed a hornet trying to carry away a
dead bee body. Now I've seen this before so I figured that bees and
hornets fight. And they do. Now I thought to myself, what if the
missing bees are succumbing to a greater number or to the activity of
hornets that is somehow related to global "warming". So I did a
little "googling" and BINGO, a potential link. It turns out that
hornets can be more active when exposed to more UV light because they
stay cooler! So if greater solar activity is causing more UV light
and warming, which I believe it is, it could also explain the missing
bees. (See article)

Any comments?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/topics



http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/6/2/1

Insects stay cool with thermoelectricity

3 June 2003

Researchers in Israel have found the first evidence for natural heat
pumps in living creatures. David Bergman and colleagues from Tel Aviv
University used infrared imaging to show that wasps can sometimes
remain much cooler than their surroundings. This is also the first
time that the thermoelectric effect has been seen to play a role in
the physiology of an animal (J S Ishay et al. 2003 Phys. Rev. Lett 90
218102).

Some wasps and hornets live in parts of the world where local
temperatures can reach 60 oC or more. 'Social' wasps live in nests and
regularly go outside to forage for food. During such activities the
wasp produces heat that originates in its flight muscles and then
spreads throughout the rest of its body. This should make the wasps
even hotter but in experiments with oriental hornets Bergman and co-
workers found that the internal body temperature of the wasps could be
significantly cooler than the ambient temperature.

The Israeli workers argue that the insect must possess a heat pump,
which works by using power generated from electrochemical reactions in
its body. They believe that additional power is generated by the
photovoltaic effect in the hornet's shell. This means that an
electrical current is produced when the shell is exposed to sunlight -
in a mechanism similar to that in a semiconductor p-n junction when
irradiated with visible or ultraviolet light. "This could explain how
hornets remain active even on very hot summer days," Bergman told
PhysicsWeb.


The researchers also took transmission and scanning electron
micrographs of the shell. They observed a microstructure that was very
similar to that of a practical thermoelectric heat pump - but on a
different length scale (see figure).


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No. The reason for the decline is a mistake of the corporate farming groups
in their attempt to block local gardening. IE corner the food market. They
suffer the same results.
--
Dave

I don't believe facts and figures too much regarding this, because they are
subject to interpretation.

I spent many years of my life working in the hot sun in Central Texas in
the 70s and 80s until 84 as a framing carpenter. My body says the sun is
more intense now, and "feels" different as well. That's all I need for
confirmation.

--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins
"Hurt" wrote in message
ups.com...

Solar Microwaves don't mean a damn, and neither does the background
microwaves. When cell phones stop operating you'll know there are
extra microwaves more than the kind there has been for billions of
years. ANOTHER RED HERRING.


http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ne_020306.html

Next time your cell phone drops a call, don't rush to blame your
service provider. The culprit may well be an angry Sun.


A new study of 40 years of solar data shows that during peaks in
activity, bursts of energy from the Sun can potentially cause dropped
calls for some cell phone users across wide areas twice per week. The
problem is caused when radio waves associated with the bursts hit cell
phone towers, creating static that overwhelms the signal at the tower,
where calls are relayed.


The result, for you, may often be sudden silence.


These flashes of radio energy arrive at the speed of light, roughly 8
minutes from the Sun to Earth.


"There's absolutely no warning," said Dale Gary, a physicist at New
Jersey Institute of Technology and leader of the study.


Confusion


In a telephone interview, Gary explained that the problem has to do
mostly with the fact that cell phone towers need to face the horizon
in order to communicate with users and other towers.Those that face
east or west look directly into the Sun at sunrise or sunset.If a
burst occurs then, the tower sustains a direct hit and is unable to
sort out wireless calls from unwanted signals.


Which, for commuters, could mean isolation during drive-time. The
events can last anywhere from a few minutes to a couple of hours.


"If you have poor service normally, you'll have worse service when
there's an event like this going on," Gary said, adding that there is
no way for you to know if your calls are cut off due to spotty service
or an solar event.


Gary and his colleagues studied four decades of solar data provided by
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. A paper on their
work will be published March 7 in the journal Radio Science, published
by the American Geophysical Union.


The Sun's activity runs in roughly 11-year cycles, and the study
covered four peaks in this cycle. During peaks, the Sun has more
sunspots and spits out more hot gas in the form of solar flares and
coronal mass ejections, along with the increased radio emissions.


The researchers found that, on average, bursts powerful enough to
disrupt wireless communications occur 10-20times per year.


Or maybe more


In a follow-up study that has yet to be published, however, Gary and
his colleagues looked deeper into the data and found hints of more
events that were missed by an evolving monitoring system that dates
back to 1960. Gary said the newer study shows that during peaks of
solar activity, when bursts are much more likely, potentially
disruptive radio spikes can strike every 3.5 days. During the years-
long lullsin the solar cycle, as many as one disruption every 18.5
days might occur.

The most recent peak in the solar cycle -- a stretch of time that
actually last for months -- occurred in July 200, but NASA scientists
say a second peak surprisingly cropped up in recent months.

Gary said there's little chance of solving the problem soon. Future
reception might be improved, though. Towers could be positioned to
point anywhere but east and west, he said. And cellphones might be
designed to handle higher levels of noise. But that means making them
more powerful, raising possible health concerns.

The research team also included Louis Lanzerotti of Lucent
Technologies' Bell Labs, along with Bala Balachandran and David
Thomson, who were at Bell Labs when the research was done.

"Dave" wrote in
nk.net:

I don't believe facts and figures too much regarding this, because
they are subject to interpretation.

I spent many years of my life working in the hot sun in Central Texas
in
the 70s and 80s until 84 as a framing carpenter. My body says the sun
is more intense now, and "feels" different as well. That's all I need
for confirmation.

Yeah, I know. Pussy has changed to. Back in the 80's pussy used to get me
hard enough to do it four or five times a night, but lately every other day
is all. That's all the confirmation any man needs. Hell who needs college
boys to tell us that the sun or pussy is same as they ever was.

On May 5, 2:19 pm, "Starlord" wrote:
Anyone who thinks that nut cases actions was caused by Global Warming needs
to go to Bad Water Death Valley and sit there in the full sun during the
middle of the summer time. I'm sure their bodys would turned into food for a
lot of bugs.

I also cut out the stupid cross posting.

--

The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQhttp://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomywww.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternityhttp://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
AD Worldhttp://www.adworld.netfirms.com/

"Hanson the Trained Dancing Monkey" wrote
in oglegroups.com...



Hanson Helped Kill 36 Human Beings with Global Warming

Heat wave in Orissa, 36 dead
Jajati Karan

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/05...orissa-36-dead...

Bhubaneshwar: The heat wave in Orissa has claimed the lives of 36
people though official figures put the toll at six. With temperature
rising over 43 degrees Celsius particularly in western part of the
state, there is no respite in sight for the people of Orissa.

For 44-year-old Birendra Mahasuara, a priest at the Kedar Gouri temple
in Bhubaneswar, an early morning bath in the temple pond is a daily
ritual. But with temperatures crossing 43 degrees Celsius, it is not a
ritual any more but a compulsion.

"I am a priest; I cannot afford AC in my house. So by bathing at least
four times in a day I try to keep my body cool," says Birendra
Mahasuara.

The state government has already initiated some measures to combat the
heat like changing the working hours for labourers and school timing
for children.

Even the Meteorological department in Bhubaneswar says the heat wave
will not abate soon.

"There is some sea breeze in coastal Orissa but that does not reach
western Orissa due to North westerly hot winds flowing there. So it's
becoming very hot out there," Director of Meteorological department
(Bhubaneswar) SC Sahoo says.

So far in Orissa the highest temperature has been 50.1 degree Celsius
recorded at Titlagarh in 2003. The people in Orissa have already
experienced such extreme weather in the past and that is why they have
also learnt the art of beating the heat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

actually the comment about sitting on the floor of Death Valley caught
my eye.
There ARE insects at Badwater... the hottest, driest and lowest place
in the northern hemisphere. But I think you would dehydrate before
you melted~ having been there and done that... I recommend going at
night ... on a full moon night... awesome. . . but the most likely
daytime bugs you will find at Badwater are the biting horseflies and
tiny gnats that drive you crazy.
It is surely a place to reflect on global climate change... and
warming is what you will do there. I better stop writing now. I am
rambling. sorry. Must sleep.
I do think there is a connection between the changes in our atmosphere
and the changes in our insect activity. Here in Alabama in the
drought we are overrun by nasty fire ants.

In article ,
Peter Muehlbauer Lies wrote:

"Dave" wrote in
nk.net:

I don't believe facts and figures too much regarding this, because
they are subject to interpretation.

I spent many years of my life working in the hot sun in Central Texas
in
the 70s and 80s until 84 as a framing carpenter. My body says the sun
is more intense now, and "feels" different as well. That's all I need
for confirmation.

Yeah, I know. Pussy has changed to. Back in the 80's pussy used to get me
hard enough to do it four or five times a night, but lately every other day
is all. That's all the confirmation any man needs. Hell who needs college
boys to tell us that the sun or pussy is same as they ever was.

Sei ruhig Arschloch. Mothers and daughters are reading this group.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)