A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

On Jul 23, 12:46?am, Tony Tung wrote:
A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

I have two solar lanterns set near my deck. As I quickly discovered
solar lighting is more for decorative effect than for reliable
lighting; they're not very bright and don't work well or at all when
days are cloudy... they definitely don't work when their solar panels
are covered with snow. The ones I bought (Lowes) are essentially all
metal, except for the glass portions (they're actually made very well
- brushed and heavily laquered sturdy aluminum) I don't remember the
brand at the moment... but perhaps if you didn't install them where
they could be damaged by opening car doors and being stepped on. I'm
sure that if I installed mine the same as you did yours the ones I
have would get broken too.

Okay, found the paperwork... here is the "Intermatic" model I have
(LZ1400 IH): http://www.intermatic.com/Default.as...id=49&sid=7 6

I have the "pewter finish", two lamps came in a set, $30, still
working after four years, and no corrosion.

I originally bought them thinking to hang them from the trees at the
foot of my driveway, but then decided they would soon walk away with
passerbys, so they ended up inside a perennial bed at my rear deck.
They wouldn't have been much good as driveway markers anyway, like I
said, they are not reliable lighting. There do exist more powerful
solar lamps but they are rather costly.

I don't have a good pictu http://i13.tinypic.com/54ijslu.jpg

"Tony Tung" wrote in message
...
A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

If they are like the cheap hollow plastic ones that I got at the Borg here
is what worked for me. I pounded a length of rebar into the ground and slid
the hollow lightpost over it.

On Jul 23, 10:53?am, "M.Paul" wrote:
"Tony Tung" wrote in message

...

A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

If they are like the cheap hollow plastic ones that I got at the Borg here
is what worked for me. I pounded a length of rebar into the ground and slid
the hollow lightpost over it.

You remind me of my neighbor on the corner who drove angle irons at
the edge of the road to keep cars from touching his lawn (weeds), he's
now in prison. I don't think pounding rebar into the ground is such a
smart idea, certainly not for someone who is opening car doors into
their lamps and walking into them. I know I sure wouldn't want any
rebar pounded into the ground alongside my driveway (not anywhere on
my property), tires are a lot more expensive than any stinkin'
lantern... not that your rebar stanchion is going to protect the
lantern anyway, it won't.

Btw, those lanterns are supposed to break-a-way in case someone trips
and falls on one... someone's kid falls on your rebar the parents will
own you. Unbeknownst to you what you built is known under the penal
code as a man trap... anyone gets hurt tripping on your [hidden] rebar
you will go to prison for a very long time. Anyone places any type of
low walkway lamps do NOT make them stronger.

Didja know that rural mailbox posts have to be break-a-way too... I
believe 4" X 4" cedar is as strong a post as is permitted in most
municipalities... mailbox posts nowadays are typically made of plastic
with a break-a-way point at ground level. But I see all sorts of tank-
like mailbox stanchions, some place huge boulders at the post base,
they're willing to kill people who inadvertantly hit their lousy $20
mailbox. Some even use those thick walled steel 'indestructable'
mailboxes that will come through a windshield and take someone's head
off... those are not approved by the US Postal Inspector. There's
some moron about a mile down the road from me who actually constructed
a 2' high raised bed flower garden at the edge of the road for his
lousy cheapo $10 mailbox, the moron doesn't care if someone avoiding a
deer gets killed... doesn't even have a reflector. And every winter
the snow plows push that monstrosity into the culvert and every spring
Mr. Moron builds it back.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 23, 10:53?am, "M.Paul" wrote:
"Tony Tung" wrote in message

...

A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile.
I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a
misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap
plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

If they are like the cheap hollow plastic ones that I got at the Borg
here
is what worked for me. I pounded a length of rebar into the ground and
slid
the hollow lightpost over it.

You remind me of my neighbor on the corner who drove angle irons at
the edge of the road to keep cars from touching his lawn (weeds), he's
now in prison. I don't think pounding rebar into the ground is such a
smart idea, certainly not for someone who is opening car doors into
their lamps and walking into them. I know I sure wouldn't want any
rebar pounded into the ground alongside my driveway (not anywhere on
my property), tires are a lot more expensive than any stinkin'
lantern... not that your rebar stanchion is going to protect the
lantern anyway, it won't.

Btw, those lanterns are supposed to break-a-way in case someone trips
and falls on one... someone's kid falls on your rebar the parents will
own you. Unbeknownst to you what you built is known under the penal
code as a man trap... anyone gets hurt tripping on your [hidden] rebar
you will go to prison for a very long time. Anyone places any type of
low walkway lamps do NOT make them stronger.

Didja know that rural mailbox posts have to be break-a-way too... I
believe 4" X 4" cedar is as strong a post as is permitted in most
municipalities... mailbox posts nowadays are typically made of plastic
with a break-a-way point at ground level. But I see all sorts of tank-
like mailbox stanchions, some place huge boulders at the post base,
they're willing to kill people who inadvertantly hit their lousy $20
mailbox. Some even use those thick walled steel 'indestructable'
mailboxes that will come through a windshield and take someone's head
off... those are not approved by the US Postal Inspector. There's
some moron about a mile down the road from me who actually constructed
a 2' high raised bed flower garden at the edge of the road for his
lousy cheapo $10 mailbox, the moron doesn't care if someone avoiding a
deer gets killed... doesn't even have a reflector. And every winter
the snow plows push that monstrosity into the culvert and every spring
Mr. Moron builds it back.




If the mailbox and its supporting post is on the road shoulder proper, yes,
post should be breakaway. If actually on the owners property, not a
requirement. Post can be a 2X4, a hollow metal rod, a 4X4, or a brick wall
with planter incorporated is on the owner's property. Reflective material
is also optional in that case. Many incorporate that on the most distant
mailbox from a street proper. Most municipalities/counties require 10 feet
for right of way as far as distance from edge of road. Right of
way/shoulder is usually noted in the land/property survey, also called
easement. Survey usually also notes that no part of any structure can be on
that part of the land. Utility easement, if present, is usually 40 ft. An
example is if the electric utility has utility poles running through the
property.

The plastic housing and remainder of a solar landscape light has
incorporated breakaway (actually top part just falls off, instead of
breaking). The lights are for twilight condition simulated light
conditions. Meant for a general guide, not full light. There is no benefit
putting such lights immediately adjacent to a driveway. Probably,
ill-advised as I read here so far.

The hollow plastic won't drive into hard soil, or rocky areas. The rebar
thing is a good fix to that. The uppermost portion of the light, the light
fixture itself, will still breakaway.
Dave

Solar light are often made of cheap plastic and do obreak under heavy
use. Here are 3 example of so very heavy duty lights. You can see more
details on http://www.richdeer3.com/site/1566246/page/891040
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On Jul 22, 11:46 pm, Tony Tung wrote:
A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

In my experience, solar garden lights last about 2 to 3 years, ma. The
photovoltaic cells deteriorate and the NICAD batteries can stand only so
many charges/discharges.

I removed them and installed 12 V Malibu lights, although I had a long run
to the transformer. They actually provide enough light to see by and their
price compares with the solar lights. Be sure to use 7 or 12 Watt bulbs,
instead of 4 Watt.

--
Walter
www.rationality.net
-
"Sheldon" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 23, 12:46?am, Tony Tung wrote:
A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile. I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

I have two solar lanterns set near my deck. As I quickly discovered
solar lighting is more for decorative effect than for reliable
lighting; they're not very bright and don't work well or at all when
days are cloudy... they definitely don't work when their solar panels
are covered with snow. The ones I bought (Lowes) are essentially all
metal, except for the glass portions (they're actually made very well
- brushed and heavily laquered sturdy aluminum) I don't remember the
brand at the moment... but perhaps if you didn't install them where
they could be damaged by opening car doors and being stepped on. I'm
sure that if I installed mine the same as you did yours the ones I
have would get broken too.

Okay, found the paperwork... here is the "Intermatic" model I have
(LZ1400 IH):
http://www.intermatic.com/Default.as...id=49&sid=7 6

I have the "pewter finish", two lamps came in a set, $30, still
working after four years, and no corrosion.

I originally bought them thinking to hang them from the trees at the
foot of my driveway, but then decided they would soon walk away with
passerbys, so they ended up inside a perennial bed at my rear deck.
They wouldn't have been much good as driveway markers anyway, like I
said, they are not reliable lighting. There do exist more powerful
solar lamps but they are rather costly.

I don't have a good pictu http://i13.tinypic.com/54ijslu.jpg

On Jul 23, 10:18?pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Jul 23, 10:53?am, "M.Paul" wrote:
"Tony Tung" wrote in message

. ..

A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e., they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too fragile.
I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a
misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap
plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

If they are like the cheap hollow plastic ones that I got at the Borg
here
is what worked for me. I pounded a length of rebar into the ground and
slid
the hollow lightpost over it.

You remind me of my neighbor on the corner who drove angle irons at
the edge of the road to keep cars from touching his lawn (weeds), he's
now in prison. I don't think pounding rebar into the ground is such a
smart idea, certainly not for someone who is opening car doors into
their lamps and walking into them. I know I sure wouldn't want any
rebar pounded into the ground alongside my driveway (not anywhere on
my property), tires are a lot more expensive than any stinkin'
lantern... not that your rebar stanchion is going to protect the
lantern anyway, it won't.

Btw, those lanterns are supposed to break-a-way in case someone trips
and falls on one... someone's kid falls on your rebar the parents will
own you. Unbeknownst to you what you built is known under the penal
code as a man trap... anyone gets hurt tripping on your [hidden] rebar
you will go to prison for a very long time. Anyone places any type of
low walkway lamps do NOT make them stronger.

Didja know that rural mailbox posts have to be break-a-way too... I
believe 4" X 4" cedar is as strong a post as is permitted in most
municipalities... mailbox posts nowadays are typically made of plastic
with a break-a-way point at ground level. But I see all sorts of tank-
like mailbox stanchions, some place huge boulders at the post base,
they're willing to kill people who inadvertantly hit their lousy $20
mailbox. Some even use those thick walled steel 'indestructable'
mailboxes that will come through a windshield and take someone's head
off... those are not approved by the US Postal Inspector. There's
some moron about a mile down the road from me who actually constructed
a 2' high raised bed flower garden at the edge of the road for his
lousy cheapo $10 mailbox, the moron doesn't care if someone avoiding a
deer gets killed... doesn't even have a reflector. And every winter
the snow plows push that monstrosity into the culvert and every spring
Mr. Moron builds it back.

If the mailbox and its supporting post is on the road shoulder proper, yes,
post should be breakaway.

Well of course, rural mail delivery is always from the roadway, the
rural deliverers are not going to enter private property with their
vehicles, in fact they are not going to drive off the roadway
proper... the mailbox must be reachable from the vehicle window while
the vehicle is on the roadway proper.

Below you spoke of urban/surburban delivery, where the mail deliverer
walks, not rural... and a lot of other gobbledygook about surveys,
etc.

The hollow plastic won't drive into hard soil, or rocky areas. The rebar
thing is a good fix to that. The uppermost portion of the light, the light
fixture itself, will still breakaway.

If you want to drive rebar into the ground go right ahead, but if
someone gets hurt you'll wish you didn't. And if you can drive rebar
into rocky soil then there is no reason you can't pull the rebar back
out and insert the lamp stanchion... guess you can't think that
sophisticatedly... no one drives wooden fenceposts into the ground
either, they make a hole with something more suitable, like a
fencepost digger or augur. I guess hammering a piece of rebar to make
a small hole is okay, but it's just plain stupid to leave it there...
no way will that piece of rebar protect the lamp from collision
damage... if someone opens a car door into it the entire lamp will be
damaged, but more importantly the rebar sticking up is likely to do
major damage to the door, will cost a lot more to repair than
replacing 50 of those cheapo lamps. And what if someome inadvertantly
drives over that lamp and the rebar punctures a perfectly good tire...
me, I'd snatch that piece of rebar out of the ground and use it to
beat your ignorant ass to a pulp.

On Jul 23, 11:59?pm, "
wrote:
Solar light are often made of cheap plastic and do obreak under heavy use.

What do you mean by "heavy use".. . the only heavy use a solar lamp
should see is in it's ability to emit light. You're not supposed to
use those lamps for kick the can practice... I can only imagine the
black and blues, cuts and contusions, and broken bones on your wife
from your heavy use.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:38:05 -0700, Sheldon wrote:
On Jul 23, 11:59?pm, "
wrote:
Solar light are often made of cheap plastic and do obreak under heavy use.

What do you mean by "heavy use".. . the only heavy use a solar lamp
should see is in it's ability to emit light. You're not supposed to
use those lamps for kick the can practice...

How about driving over them?

http://www.solarilluminations.com/ac...nd_Lights.html

or I think I saw them significantly cheaper in harbor freight.

sdb
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sylvan butler wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:38:05 -0700, Sheldon wrote:
On Jul 23, 11:59?pm, "
wrote:
Solar light are often made of cheap plastic and do obreak under heavy use.

What do you mean by "heavy use".. . the only heavy use a solar lamp
should see is in it's ability to emit light. You're not supposed to
use those lamps for kick the can practice...

Ah, when it comes to charm. No one does it like Sheldon . . uh or
Shirwin . . . uh or James. Actually, I guess it's pretty common,
unfortunately.

F B - F F F
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Uhh, I don't know how you went from lights to mailboxes. And, the
association is very loose indeed.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 10:18?pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Jul 23, 10:53?am, "M.Paul" wrote:
"Tony Tung" wrote in message

. ..

A couple years ago, we installed solar landscape lights. Thanks to a
fortuitous geographic location, they work relatively well (i.e.,
they
light up well past midnight). My problem is that they're too
fragile.
I
have them installed along the walkway and along the driveway, and
about
half of them have been broken in half by a opening car door or a
misstep.

I'm looking for a durable set of lights that don't have any cheap
plastic
connectors between the post and the light. Anyone have a product to
recommend?

Thanks!
Tony

If they are like the cheap hollow plastic ones that I got at the Borg
here
is what worked for me. I pounded a length of rebar into the ground
and
slid
the hollow lightpost over it.

You remind me of my neighbor on the corner who drove angle irons at
the edge of the road to keep cars from touching his lawn (weeds), he's
now in prison. I don't think pounding rebar into the ground is such a
smart idea, certainly not for someone who is opening car doors into
their lamps and walking into them. I know I sure wouldn't want any
rebar pounded into the ground alongside my driveway (not anywhere on
my property), tires are a lot more expensive than any stinkin'
lantern... not that your rebar stanchion is going to protect the
lantern anyway, it won't.

Btw, those lanterns are supposed to break-a-way in case someone trips
and falls on one... someone's kid falls on your rebar the parents will
own you. Unbeknownst to you what you built is known under the penal
code as a man trap... anyone gets hurt tripping on your [hidden] rebar
you will go to prison for a very long time. Anyone places any type of
low walkway lamps do NOT make them stronger.

Didja know that rural mailbox posts have to be break-a-way too... I
believe 4" X 4" cedar is as strong a post as is permitted in most
municipalities... mailbox posts nowadays are typically made of plastic
with a break-a-way point at ground level. But I see all sorts of tank-
like mailbox stanchions, some place huge boulders at the post base,
they're willing to kill people who inadvertantly hit their lousy $20
mailbox. Some even use those thick walled steel 'indestructable'
mailboxes that will come through a windshield and take someone's head
off... those are not approved by the US Postal Inspector. There's
some moron about a mile down the road from me who actually constructed
a 2' high raised bed flower garden at the edge of the road for his
lousy cheapo $10 mailbox, the moron doesn't care if someone avoiding a
deer gets killed... doesn't even have a reflector. And every winter
the snow plows push that monstrosity into the culvert and every spring
Mr. Moron builds it back.

If the mailbox and its supporting post is on the road shoulder proper,
yes,
post should be breakaway.

Well of course, rural mail delivery is always from the roadway, the

Wrong.

rural deliverers are not going to enter private property with their
vehicles, in fact they are not going to drive off the roadway

Wrong. With permissions, they will deliver parcels to the private area
specified by that permission.

proper... the mailbox must be reachable from the vehicle window while
the vehicle is on the roadway proper.

Wrong. They can and do use easement for traveling to a mailbox out of the
easement. The mailbox is just out of the easement, but away from the road.


Below you spoke of urban/surburban delivery, where the mail deliverer
walks, not rural... and a lot of other gobbledygook about surveys,
etc.

Obviously you don't understand. And, whether rural or urban is of no
consequence.


The hollow plastic won't drive into hard soil, or rocky areas. The rebar
thing is a good fix to that. The uppermost portion of the light, the
light
fixture itself, will still breakaway.

If you want to drive rebar into the ground go right ahead, but if
someone gets hurt you'll wish you didn't. And if you can drive rebar
into rocky soil then there is no reason you can't pull the rebar back

You are so out there. You or I or anyone else can't easily pull rebar from
rocky soil.

out and insert the lamp stanchion... guess you can't think that
sophisticatedly... no one drives wooden fenceposts into the ground

Now we're circumventing by making up implausibles.

either, they make a hole with something more suitable, like a

Duh.

fencepost digger or augur. I guess hammering a piece of rebar to make
a small hole is okay, but it's just plain stupid to leave it there...

The hole or the rebar?
The plastic piping fits over the rebar, making it more or less stationary.
The plastic pipe won't fit in a hole made be rebar of the standard 2
diameters.

no way will that piece of rebar protect the lamp from collision

I've already pointed that out as not very smart.

damage... if someone opens a car door into it the entire lamp will be
damaged, but more importantly the rebar sticking up is likely to do

If you drive an awful short car with a awwwwwfully low door. Otherwise, it
will hit the light fixture itself. And, the light fixture will breakaway.

major damage to the door, will cost a lot more to repair than
replacing 50 of those cheapo lamps. And what if someome inadvertantly
drives over that lamp and the rebar punctures a perfectly good tire...

Again, said its not smart to put such near a driveway.

me, I'd snatch that piece of rebar out of the ground and use it to
beat your ignorant ass to a pulp.


Now resorting to thuggery, blackmail, intimidation, communicating a threat.
If its real soft sandy ground, maybe. Otherwise, I'd stand there waiting a
long time for you to get that rebar out of the ground. La, la, la, la, hum,
hum, hum. Guess I'll take nap now.
Dave

"Dave" wrote:

rural deliverers are not going to enter private property with their
vehicles, in fact they are not going to drive off the roadway

Wrong. With permissions, they will deliver parcels to the private area
specified by that permission.

You're WRONG! And everything you subsequently said is pure BS.

General delivery rural mail carriers do NOT enter private property,
not even for delivery of certified mail... they will insert a "pick-up
at PO" notification card into the rural mailbox... the pick up card
typically won't say what, just pick-up at PO. USPS rules are the
same in all 50 states. Dave, you are a certifiable idiot.

http://www.usps.com/receive/business...aldelivery.htm

Sheldon wrote:
"Dave" wrote:
rural deliverers are not going to enter private property with their
vehicles, in fact they are not going to drive off the roadway
Wrong. With permissions, they will deliver parcels to the private area
specified by that permission.

You're WRONG! And everything you subsequently said is pure BS.

turn that finger around mister....

General delivery rural mail carriers do NOT enter private property,
not even for delivery of certified mail... they will insert a "pick-up
at PO" notification card into the rural mailbox... the pick up card
typically won't say what, just pick-up at PO. USPS rules are the
same in all 50 states. Dave, you are a certifiable idiot.

http://www.usps.com/receive/business...aldelivery.htm


yes, they do enter private property, they drive right up to the house
and beep the horn. for people with disabilities, they may even go to the
door.

and mailboxes are NOT always beside the roadway. as dave said, in
certain cases, such as elderly or disabled, the physician can issue a
letter to the mail carrier and subsequent office, and request that the
box be placed closer to the door of the home, in an area of the driveway
that the mail carrier can still have access to from the car.

links don't always prove anything.....on this one, it ultimately depends
on the carrier and what they do.

Dave wrote:
Uhh, I don't know how you went from lights to mailboxes. And, the
association is very loose indeed.

"Sheldon" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 23, 10:18?pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

If the mailbox and its supporting post is on the road shoulder proper,
yes,
post should be breakaway.
Well of course, rural mail delivery is always from the roadway, the

Wrong.

rural deliverers are not going to enter private property with their
vehicles, in fact they are not going to drive off the roadway

Wrong. With permissions, they will deliver parcels to the private area
specified by that permission.

proper... the mailbox must be reachable from the vehicle window while
the vehicle is on the roadway proper.

Wrong. They can and do use easement for traveling to a mailbox out of the
easement. The mailbox is just out of the easement, but away from the road.

Below you spoke of urban/surburban delivery, where the mail deliverer
walks, not rural... and a lot of other gobbledygook about surveys,
etc.

Obviously you don't understand. And, whether rural or urban is of no
consequence.

The hollow plastic won't drive into hard soil, or rocky areas. The rebar
thing is a good fix to that. The uppermost portion of the light, the
light
fixture itself, will still breakaway.
If you want to drive rebar into the ground go right ahead, but if
someone gets hurt you'll wish you didn't. And if you can drive rebar
into rocky soil then there is no reason you can't pull the rebar back

You are so out there. You or I or anyone else can't easily pull rebar from
rocky soil.

out and insert the lamp stanchion... guess you can't think that
sophisticatedly... no one drives wooden fenceposts into the ground

Now we're circumventing by making up implausibles.

either, they make a hole with something more suitable, like a

Duh.

fencepost digger or augur. I guess hammering a piece of rebar to make
a small hole is okay, but it's just plain stupid to leave it there...

The hole or the rebar?
The plastic piping fits over the rebar, making it more or less stationary.
The plastic pipe won't fit in a hole made be rebar of the standard 2
diameters.

no way will that piece of rebar protect the lamp from collision

I've already pointed that out as not very smart.

damage... if someone opens a car door into it the entire lamp will be
damaged, but more importantly the rebar sticking up is likely to do

If you drive an awful short car with a awwwwwfully low door. Otherwise, it
will hit the light fixture itself. And, the light fixture will breakaway.

major damage to the door, will cost a lot more to repair than
replacing 50 of those cheapo lamps. And what if someome inadvertantly
drives over that lamp and the rebar punctures a perfectly good tire...

Again, said its not smart to put such near a driveway.

me, I'd snatch that piece of rebar out of the ground and use it to
beat your ignorant ass to a pulp.


Now resorting to thuggery, blackmail, intimidation, communicating a threat.
If its real soft sandy ground, maybe. Otherwise, I'd stand there waiting a
long time for you to get that rebar out of the ground. La, la, la, la, hum,
hum, hum. Guess I'll take nap now.
Dave



snickering, no, lol!
rae