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"D. Staples" expounded:
"Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "D. Staples" wrote: Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? He has offered advice to posters in this news group stubby. Do you propose to take his place? Could you take his place? What would give us confidence that you could? What gives your criticism validity in a medium where any phallionist can claim anything? Until you can answer that, go intercourse yourself, anal sphincter. **** off, crotch rot, your in over your head. For all you're education you have a tenuous grasp of proper grammar and the use of contractions. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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No Don Staples, we are very different from you.
1. We understand trees 2. We define our terms Don Staples you claim to be a forester. Please define what you mean by a forest. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "D. Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. I am Toni Gee a close associate of Dr. Shigo. I know John very well. He as well as I are too busy out in the field studying and observing trees and their associates. You seem to have one mission and that is to waste our time. We are serious about what we do. You prove to me that you belong to an association and know nothing about trees. Please don't waste our time any more. why do you and "the tree biologist" waste our time on alt.forestry? None of you are foresters, none of your are degreed, and none certified. So, Toni, what are your qualifications? |
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Where did you get your degree in "tree biology"? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Joe
You focus on degrees more than you focus on the understanding of trees and there associates. If you are certified, who certified the person that certified you? repeat to Joe as well: Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this unique design. http://home.ccil.org/~logbuyer/ We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service. I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops. Where is your resume Don Staples? We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html This is the type of forestry I do. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/temp4/ Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up. And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a forest in my dictionary. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/F/index.html I listed what I mean when I say tree biology he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html I do not like noise. - - Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Where did Ezekiel get his degree to talk about a "FORESTS"?????????????????? [Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fi and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD. ] Man's first responsibility was to care for the garden, (Genesis 2-15). http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Where are your pages? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
... "Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "D. Staples" wrote: Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? He has offered advice to posters in this news group stubby. Do you propose to take his place? Could you take his place? What would give us confidence that you could? What gives your criticism validity in a medium where any phallionist can claim anything? Until you can answer that, go intercourse yourself, anal sphincter. **** off, crotch rot, your in over your head. Is this how you define yourself Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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In article giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06, "Joe" wrote:
John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? Joe, competency is where you find it. Certainly, the more immersed one is in one's field of study, the more secure the client will feel but just having the paper is no guarantee. Biology is, of course, the study of life (bio - ology). John hasn't tried to conceal his back ground, it is clearly displayed. He never claimed to be a research scientist. Would you consider Luther Burbank a biologist? Jules Janick, Ph.D., Professor of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture, Purdue University, writing in the World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 edition, says: "(Luther) Burbank cannot be considered a scientist in the academic sense." Would you deny that he is a biologist? There are "Certified Arborists" but John makes no claim to that either. A cursory check on "Arborists" seems to imply that they are what they do. It may be that some people have unmet expectations as to what constitutes an arborist. I would presume that if an arborist didn't have good word of mouth references, that they wouldn't last too long. If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. This is the point. John didn't exaggerate his credentials. He has them clearly posted for all to see. Ask a violin maker for his academic credentials. He will probably laugh at you. He is what he does, like Luther Burbank did. It's not like John is re-inventing the wheel. He studied with the foremost arborist "Alex Shigo, widely considered the father of modern arboriculture.[Who] developed many of the principles that have become central to arboriculture . . .". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Shigo Meanwhile, we have Don Staples who claims that John doesn't have the proper credentials. He gives no basis for his statements or authority to support his judgement. Don has made his opinion clear, why is he obsessing on it? We heard him. It is his opinion and I don't care to share it. It is as if he was trying to damage John's career. All John is asking for is, what was an 800 year old right, until recently, of habeas corpus (where is the proof?). John is an open book. It is Don Staples who hides and refuses to enter into an open discussion. He is also vulgar, in the pejorative sense. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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"symplastless" wrote in message ... No Don Staples, we are very different from you. 1. We understand trees 2. We define our terms Don Staples you claim to be a forester. Please define what you mean by a forest. Most foresters have taken at least a dozen courses in forestry, after taken many courses in biology, along with the other countless required college courses. I have about 20 college texts on forestry, trees, wildlife biology and mgt., arboriculture, soils science, geology, etc., etc.- that tops your 3 day courses. I conclude that you or whoever started this thread by cross posting should stop the cross posting. Even if you were a highly educated and trained arborist- arborist issues don't belong in alt.forestry. Perhaps, you could start a new group called alt.arborist. Don and myself and a few others started this newsgroup a decade ago- it wasn't that difficult- so you could do it too then keep your discussions there where they belong. Joe |
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At the UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS- where I took far more courses than you
could imagine, probably before you were born- as listed in another thread. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Joe Where did you get your degree in "tree biology"? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Not only do I have a degree- I've been practicing forestry since 1973. I
currently manage about 15,000 acres in central New England and have walked on many other thousands of acres all over the country- most of the major national parks- including several backpack trips to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, and other wilderness areas. What is logging? Most of it SUCKS - with forests being RAPED by rapacious loggers to make an excessive profit for themselves and the wood industry- I don't defend RAW LOGGING. That's not what forestry is- real foresters don't do logging- they DO SILVICULTURE- look it up- and, they understand the LONG TERM ECONOMICS OF TREES AND FORESTS. Many people in the forestry business are indeed nothing but tree farmers, many are total assholes just procuring wood for their mill boss- real foresters don't defend those guys. Real foresters do indeed make use of silvicultural activity as part of their forest mgt.- over a long time frame. It's often not about trees to cut to sell- it's often about removing the less desirable trees to enhance the better trees. And, yes, it's good that many forests are not logged- they are in parks and reserves- and it's just fine that some people don't want to log their forests- but some do. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Joe You focus on degrees more than you focus on the understanding of trees and there associates. If you are certified, who certified the person that certified you? repeat to Joe as well: Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this unique design. http://home.ccil.org/~logbuyer/ We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service. I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops. Where is your resume Don Staples? We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html This is the type of forestry I do. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/temp4/ Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up. And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a forest in my dictionary. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/F/index.html I listed what I mean when I say tree biology he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html I do not like noise. - - Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Who cares what the Bible says about forests and trees? Maybe you do, but I
don't. "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Joe Where did Ezekiel get his degree to talk about a "FORESTS"?????????????????? [Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fi and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD. ] Man's first responsibility was to care for the garden, (Genesis 2-15). http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Where are your pages? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06... John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work- that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2 year degree in most states. You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a masters degree in biology from an accredited university. If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise he won't. Joe "symplastless" wrote in message . .. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project. http://www.alleghenydefense.org/ I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest. I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation out of the ignorance of tree biology. That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don Staples? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06, "Joe" wrote: John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? Joe, competency is where you find it. Maybe for common laborers- but nowadays, most jobs require advanced education. Certainly, the more immersed one is in one's field of study, the more secure the client will feel but just having the paper is no guarantee. Biology is, of course, the study of life (bio - ology). John hasn't tried to conceal his back ground, it is clearly displayed. He never claimed to be a research scientist. A biologists is someone with at least a master's degree in biology- so he shouldn't be claiming he's a tree biologist- at best, he may be a semi-competent arborist- someone qualified to trim and cut trees, plant trees, fertilize trees, etc. He ain't no biologist. Would you consider Luther Burbank a biologist? Jules Janick, Ph.D., Professor of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture, Purdue University, writing in the World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 edition, says: "(Luther) Burbank cannot be considered a scientist in the academic sense." Would you deny that he is a biologist? There are "Certified Arborists" but John makes no claim to that either. A cursory check on "Arborists" seems to imply that they are what they do. It may be that some people have unmet expectations as to what constitutes an arborist. I would presume that if an arborist didn't have good word of mouth references, that they wouldn't last too long. In some states like Mass. you can't go around claiming you're an arborist if you're not licensed. Joe |
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In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote: "Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "D. Staples" wrote: Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? He has offered advice to posters in this news group stubby. Do you propose to take his place? Could you take his place? What would give us confidence that you could? What gives your criticism validity in a medium where any phallionist can claim anything? Until you can answer that, go intercourse yourself, anal sphincter. **** off, crotch rot, your in over your head. Dim-witted and vulgar, an egregious combination which reveals a depauperate consciousness. Poor thing. It was generous of you to embroider your communication with a pair of bi-syllabic words. Wouldn't you be more comfortable if you just grunted? Be sure to let us know when you're capable of joining the adults. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Maybe for common laborers- but nowadays, most jobs require advanced
education. repeat to Joe as well: Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this unique design. http://home.ccil.org/~logbuyer/ We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service. I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops. Where is your resume Don Staples? We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html This is the type of forestry I do. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/temp4/ Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up. And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a forest in my dictionary. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/F/index.html I listed what I mean when I say tree biology he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html I do not like noise. - - Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
In article UFMvi.10291$eb4.2917@trndny08, "Joe" wrote:
"Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06, "Joe" wrote: John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees? Any college level courses in natural resource departments? Joe, competency is where you find it. Maybe for common laborers- but nowadays, most jobs require advanced education. Certainly, the more immersed one is in one's field of study, the more secure the client will feel but just having the paper is no guarantee. Biology is, of course, the study of life (bio - ology). John hasn't tried to conceal his back ground, it is clearly displayed. He never claimed to be a research scientist. A biologists is someone with at least a master's degree in biology- so he shouldn't be claiming he's a tree biologist- at best, he may be a semi-competent arborist- someone qualified to trim and cut trees, plant trees, fertilize trees, etc. He ain't no biologist. Would you consider Luther Burbank a biologist? Jules Janick, Ph.D., Professor of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture, Purdue University, writing in the World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 edition, says: "(Luther) Burbank cannot be considered a scientist in the academic sense." Would you deny that he is a biologist? There are "Certified Arborists" but John makes no claim to that either. A cursory check on "Arborists" seems to imply that they are what they do. It may be that some people have unmet expectations as to what constitutes an arborist. I would presume that if an arborist didn't have good word of mouth references, that they wouldn't last too long. In some states like Mass. you can't go around claiming you're an arborist if you're not licensed. Joe Well then I guess it's a good thing that John gives his free advice on "Wrecked Gardens" from Pennsylvannia, isn't it? Am I missing something here? He isn't misrepresenting himself. He gives free advice. Do you know of any bad advice that he has given? I wouldn't claim Wikipedia as a final arbiter but under Biologist Training it says "Many jobs in biology as a field require an academic degree. " To me that doesn't say, that all biologists are required to have an academic degree. If you want to talk about malfeasance, let's talk about George Bush. Now that's malfeasance. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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