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Can someone please ID this tree?

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_1.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_2.php

I also need advice on how to treat this chronic bleeding wound. From
what the past owner said, it bleeds like that every year.

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_3.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_4.php

Click the magnifying glass to zoom if you need a closer look.

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"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
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Can someone please ID this tree?

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_1.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_2.php

I also need advice on how to treat this chronic bleeding wound. From what
the past owner said, it bleeds like that every year.

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_3.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_4.php

Click the magnifying glass to zoom if you need a closer look.


SWAG - elm - does effluent smell, if so, what kind of smell? Suspect
internal decay. Location could help.

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Don Staples wrote:
"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
...
Can someone please ID this tree?

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_1.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_2.php

I also need advice on how to treat this chronic bleeding wound. From
what the past owner said, it bleeds like that every year.

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_3.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_4.php

Click the magnifying glass to zoom if you need a closer look.


SWAG - elm - does effluent smell, if so, what kind of smell? Suspect
internal decay. Location could help.

No smell that I can detect though it's not actively bleeding at this
moment.

Location is far south western KY, zone 6B.

From a closer look into the wound, it looks like there is a hole,
unsure if it's deep or not.

Is there anything I can flush it with? I'm going to pack it with
paraffin wax and give it a slight heating to seal it, but I do not want
to seal in something bad.

Also, once sealed, is there anything I can use to clean the bark that's
been bled all over?

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Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this morning.

There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees. Common
on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html

Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html

Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
...
Can someone please ID this tree?

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_1.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_2.php

I also need advice on how to treat this chronic bleeding wound. From what
the past owner said, it bleeds like that every year.

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_3.php
http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_4.php

Click the magnifying glass to zoom if you need a closer look.

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symplastless wrote:
Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this morning.

There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees. Common
on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html

Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html

Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.



So I should just let it alone and not try and seal it or anything?

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Scott

That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also turf.
This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house than 50
coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of protection. It
keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper mulching and other
treatments would be good for your tree.

proper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
...
symplastless wrote:
Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this
morning.

There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees.
Common on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html

Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html

Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.



So I should just let it alone and not try and seal it or anything?

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symplastless wrote:
Scott

That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also turf.
This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house than 50
coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of protection. It
keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper mulching and other
treatments would be good for your tree.

proper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"


Thanks.. I've read up on mulching the right way since I was already
planning on mulching around that tree and making it more of a showcase
since it's right by the main entrance we use for the home.

I did have a Q though.. Couldn't I wax over the hole where it's weeping
so I can minimize the bark that's being damaged below it?

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On Oct 3, 3:09 pm, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
Can someone please ID this tree?

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_2.php

I also need advice on how to treat this chronic bleeding wound. From
what the past owner said, it bleeds like that every year.

http://www.hildenbrands.com/gallery/...e_id_pic_4.php

Click the magnifying glass to zoom if you need a closer look.

from your pictures it looks like a Chinese Elm.

However, it could MAYBE be an Amereican Elm.

A picture from a greater distance so we can see the whole tree would
be useful in identification. Also a picture of the leaves with
something (a ruler would be good) that tells us the size of the leaf
would also help. Chinese Elms have small leaves of fairly rought
texture. American Elms have large leaves that are smooth on the
underside.

If it as an American Elm it is worth trying to save as they are very
special trees. Those that have survived the Dutch Elm Disease are a
hope for restoring them to the American forests.

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Good question. I do not think so.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
.. .
symplastless wrote:
Scott

That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also
turf. This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house
than 50 coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of
protection. It keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper
mulching and other treatments would be good for your tree.

proper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"


Thanks.. I've read up on mulching the right way since I was already
planning on mulching around that tree and making it more of a showcase
since it's right by the main entrance we use for the home.

I did have a Q though.. Couldn't I wax over the hole where it's weeping so
I can minimize the bark that's being damaged below it?

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Correction

The outer bark is dead. The slim flux kills micros living on bark. The
outer bark is born alive. It uses its energy quickly buying suberin.
Without energy it dies.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Scott

That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also
turf. This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house
than 50 coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of
protection. It keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper
mulching and other treatments would be good for your tree.

proper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.


"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
...
symplastless wrote:
Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this
morning.

There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees.
Common on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html

Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html

Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.



So I should just let it alone and not try and seal it or anything?

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On Oct 5, 4:08 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Correction

The outer bark is dead. The slim flux kills micros living on bark. The
outer bark is born alive. It uses its energy quickly buying suberin.
Without energy it dies.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arboristhttp://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message

. ..



Scott

That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also
turf. This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house
than 50 coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of
protection. It keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper
mulching and other treatments would be good for your tree.

proper Mulching -http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
. ..
symplastless wrote:
Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this
morning.

There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees.
Common on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html

Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html

Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.

So I should just let it alone and not try and seal it or anything?- Hide quoted text -

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Based on the picture given I would say it is an American Elm. Forget
the leave the bark is the distinguishing factor.
American
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...rican+elm+bark
Chinese
http://images.google.com/images?sour...=1&sa=N&tab=wi

Very different bark and growth habit

As for the old pruning cut.....Looks like you have that covered but I
would back up John and reccomend leaving it alone. You could do more
damage than harm.

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wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:08 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Correction

The outer bark is dead. The slim flux kills micros living on bark. The
outer bark is born alive. It uses its energy quickly buying suberin.
Without energy it dies.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arboristhttp://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message

. ..



Scott
That would be my recommendation. The slim flux does kill bark. Also
turf. This is the thing. It's better to have one fox in the hen house
than 50 coming in. Wetwood alters the wood to a higher state of
protection. It keeps the other bad guys out. Its a niche. Proper
mulching and other treatments would be good for your tree.
proper Mulching -http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.
"Scott Hildenbrand" wrote in message
...
symplastless wrote:
Trees do not bleed. I.e., if you put blood on your pancakes this
morning.
There is wet wood. I would suggest two books on wetwood of trees.
Common on elms.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/MARBOR.html
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/NTB.html
Wetwood - Wetwood is a term used for both a disease of wood and for the
wood, altered as a result of the disease.
Wetwood is wood infected by anaerobic bacteria mostly. See "wetwood"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/W/index.html
Do not use drain tubes to drain wetwood.
So I should just let it alone and not try and seal it or anything?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Based on the picture given I would say it is an American Elm. Forget
the leave the bark is the distinguishing factor.
American
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...rican+elm+bark
Chinese
http://images.google.com/images?sour...=1&sa=N&tab=wi

Very different bark and growth habit

As for the old pruning cut.....Looks like you have that covered but I
would back up John and reccomend leaving it alone. You could do more
damage than harm.



So it may very well be an American Elm? I'll take a few more pictures if
anyone wants more to go by.

As for it being an American Elm do you think anyone would like to use
them as propagation plants and harvest the seeds?

I wouldn't mind someone coming by every so often to collect them when
they're ready.

Still not 100% sure that it's an American Elm though because the leaves
are on the small side, but with the killing frost this year nothing had
done well.