"Pennyaline" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:
The above has NOT been my experience, and I am 72 years old and have had
many cats during my life

You know, when my mother had the first traffic accident in which she was
truly at fault, she insisted to the victim, to the police, to the judge
and to us that she couldn't POSSIBLY have done anything wrong. She
explained ad nauseum that her driving was flawless, because she had been
driving for 55 years and had so much experience. It was all the other
person's fault, she rationalized, because the victim had only been driving
for twelve years and was clearly inept for that reason. She denied blame
then and still does to this day. She still will not see that using her age
as a defense was one of her biggest missteps in that case.


....I have four of them right now....two males (one fixed, and one not)
and two fixed females. Even the unfixed male never went more than two
blocks away, and now, at about 6 years old, he seldom leaves the
property. Three of my four cats were outside cats when I got them, and
the other one soon learned to appreciate being able to go out on the deck
and sun herself.....I wouldn't have an inside cat unless I lived in a
very hazardous place, like a city apartment, and then I would get one
only as a kitten, and train him/her from birth to live inside.....Even
then, every inside cat I have known lives to go outside, and runs out
every chance they get. - That should tell you something right
there........

Don't try to use the number of cats you have right now and the statement
you've had many cats during your life as justification. It's lame, and
comical.

What's, "comical" to you isn't necessarily comical to me....My sense of
humor is a bit more expansive than that.....

He never went more than two blocks away? How far does a cat have to go to
be lost, injured or killed.

In my case, (where I'm living right now) a lot further than two
blocks.....You should learn to speak for yourself, and your own
circumstances and experience.....Don't try to speak for me.



Every cat, even the best "trained" cat is
motivated by prey drive. A fixed well-fed cat will still chase prey just
to chase it.

That's true, and I live on the edge of town.....My cats have over a hundred
acres of farm land behind my house to do their sport hunting on.....


But I can see there's no reasoning with you about this.

That's right.....Your mind is made up, so there's no chance that I will
suddenly throw away all my knowledge and experience and acquire
yours.......You have already decided that you know all about me and my cats.
I'll bet you can read Bush's mind and know that he lied about the WMD's too,
haven't you? Let me guess.....You're a liberal.....Right?

"CatNipped" wrote in message
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"William Graham" wrote in message
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kitten, and train him/her from birth to live inside.....Even then, every
inside cat I have known lives to go outside, and runs out every chance
they get. - That should tell you something right there........

Obviously you don't know my cats. I can leave doors and windows wide open
and none of them will go anywhere near the scary "out".

Hugs,

CatNipped

That's true, I don't know your cats. I can only speak for the ones I have
known. They have longed to go outside, but I have to say, they don't go far
when they escape....They usually have just rolled around on the sidewalk
just outside their mistresses' apartments.

William Graham wrote:
"Pennyaline" wrote in message
Don't try to use the number of cats you have right now and the statement
you've had many cats during your life as justification. It's lame, and
comical.

What's, "comical" to you isn't necessarily comical to me....My sense of
humor is a bit more expansive than that.....

So is mine, but not so much that you're not funny.


He never went more than two blocks away? How far does a cat have to go to
be lost, injured or killed.

In my case, (where I'm living right now) a lot further than two
blocks.....You should learn to speak for yourself, and your own
circumstances and experience.....Don't try to speak for me.

I wasn't speaking for you, only quoting you. Observe the following,
written by you:

"The above has NOT been my experience, and I am 72 years old and have had
many cats during my life....I have four of them right now....two males (one
fixed, and one not) and two fixed females. Even the unfixed male never went
more than two blocks away, and now, at about 6 years old, he seldom leaves
the property."

See, "two blocks away." Your claim, not mine.



Every cat, even the best "trained" cat is
motivated by prey drive. A fixed well-fed cat will still chase prey just
to chase it.

That's true, and I live on the edge of town.....My cats have over a hundred
acres of farm land behind my house to do their sport hunting on.....

Sooooooo, what about the aforementioned "two blocks"?



But I can see there's no reasoning with you about this.

That's right.....Your mind is made up, so there's no chance that I will
suddenly throw away all my knowledge and experience and acquire
yours...

Okay, mom. That's right, the accident was NEVER your fault, mom.


....You have already decided that you know all about me and my cats.
I'll bet you can read Bush's mind and know that he lied about the WMD's too,
haven't you? Let me guess.....You're a liberal.....Right?

Isn't that prerequisite to having a cat?

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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The message
from "CatNipped" contains these words:

Obviously you don't know my cats. I can leave doors and windows wide
open
and none of them will go anywhere near the scary "out".

Just tell them "On no account, may you go outside. I forbid it.
Going outside is banned.
DO NOT touch that grass. Stay inside, or else."

Cat Psychology Services Inc.

I tried that. My former cat gave me the finger, the way cats do.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in
message ...
The message
from "CatNipped" contains
these words:

Obviously you don't know my cats. I can leave doors and
windows wide open
and none of them will go anywhere near the scary "out".

Just tell them "On no account, may you go outside. I
forbid it.
Going outside is banned.
DO NOT touch that grass. Stay inside, or else."

Cat Psychology Services Inc.

I tried that. My former cat gave me the finger, the way
cats do.

sprayed the door?
or pee'd in the laundry?
lee

"enigma" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in
message ...
The message
from "CatNipped" contains
these words:

Obviously you don't know my cats. I can leave doors and
windows wide open
and none of them will go anywhere near the scary "out".

Just tell them "On no account, may you go outside. I
forbid it.
Going outside is banned.
DO NOT touch that grass. Stay inside, or else."

Cat Psychology Services Inc.

I tried that. My former cat gave me the finger, the way
cats do.

sprayed the door?
or pee'd in the laundry?
lee

That's for kittens. My cat gave me THE LOOK along with THE SNEER.

"Pennyaline" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:
"Pennyaline" wrote in message
Don't try to use the number of cats you have right now and the statement
you've had many cats during your life as justification. It's lame, and
comical.

What's, "comical" to you isn't necessarily comical to me....My sense of
humor is a bit more expansive than that.....

So is mine, but not so much that you're not funny.


He never went more than two blocks away? How far does a cat have to go
to be lost, injured or killed.

In my case, (where I'm living right now) a lot further than two
blocks.....You should learn to speak for yourself, and your own
circumstances and experience.....Don't try to speak for me.

I wasn't speaking for you, only quoting you. Observe the following,
written by you:

"The above has NOT been my experience, and I am 72 years old and have had
many cats during my life....I have four of them right now....two males
(one
fixed, and one not) and two fixed females. Even the unfixed male never
went
more than two blocks away, and now, at about 6 years old, he seldom leaves
the property."

See, "two blocks away." Your claim, not mine.

My claim of what? - I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Look....My 4 outside cats are quite safe outside my house.....I live on a
dead end street. It is full of kids and pets playing in the street all the
time. The other side of my house, (the back side) backs up on a huge
Christmas tree farm.....My cats would have to travel several blocks in order
to get near cars, or in the company of strangers. They don't do that....They
never go that far away from the property in the front, and they would have
to travel a half mile or more in the back....Now, do I have to draw you a
map to understand that my four outside cats are not in any danger? And even
if they were, why would you care? They are my cats, and I have to live with
them and their lifestyles. You don't. I am not about to tell you how to care
for your cats, so why are you so passionate about telling me how to care for
mine?
In any case, this conversation is over....I have decided that you are a
stupid troll, so I am going to eliminate you from my email system.....IOW, I
am killfiling you so I no longer have to bother with you.

"William Graham" writes:

Let me guess.....You're a liberal.....Right?

Geez Bill, afraid of those boogie man liberals?

Oh wait, I must be one too.

"Dan Espen" wrote in message
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"William Graham" writes:

Let me guess.....You're a liberal.....Right?

Geez Bill, afraid of those boogie man liberals?

Oh wait, I must be one too.

Yeah....They have a way of thinking they know how other people should live,
and if the other people don't live that way, then, by God, they're going to
make a law that insists that they live that way, or they are going to tax
the living hell out of their indiscretions until they are forced to live
that way.

There are many examples....Seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, huge,
ridiculous taxes on cigarettes, etc, etc. And, somehow, they know all about
how the other people should live, even though they have never walked even
for one second in their shoes.
They are on their way to their seat on the floor of congress, and they
are passed by a biker splitting lanes....They think, "Just you wait, you
SOB, I'll fix your ass!" Then, later on that day or week, or month, they
make a law that insists he wear an iron mask while he rides his bike, so his
life will be miserable all Summer long. Their excuse is, "So my insurance
rates will go down."
But in fact, the rates are higher, because he will be more likely to
break his neck and become a quadrapheligic. Had he not been wearing a
helmet, he would be slightly more likely to die, which is a lot cheaper for
the insurance company. So, even their sorry excuse for infringing on the
rights of others is flawed.
Yeah.....I hate the liberals.....I could write a book about it, and how they
have screwed up my life......
Now this other AH, (whom I have kill filed, by the way) Is trying to
tell me how to take care of my cats, even though he knows absolutely nothing
about my home or my cats and what is best for either me, the house or the
cats.....If he had his way, he would make a law that insists they remain
locked up in my house.....Should the city make such a law, I would move out
of town, and should the state make such a law, I would probably have to
euthanize all four of them.

William Graham wrote:
My claim of what? - I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Look....My 4 outside cats are quite safe outside my house.....I live on a
dead end street. It is full of kids and pets playing in the street all the
time. The other side of my house, (the back side) backs up on a huge
Christmas tree farm.....My cats would have to travel several blocks in order
to get near cars, or in the company of strangers. They don't do that....They
never go that far away from the property in the front, and they would have
to travel a half mile or more in the back....Now, do I have to draw you a
map to understand that my four outside cats are not in any danger? And even
if they were, why would you care? They are my cats, and I have to live with
them and their lifestyles. You don't. I am not about to tell you how to care
for your cats, so why are you so passionate about telling me how to care for
mine?
In any case, this conversation is over....I have decided that you are a
stupid troll, so I am going to eliminate you from my email system.....IOW, I
am killfiling you so I no longer have to bother with you.

Awww. Now that is a shame 'cuz it means you'll miss this: Oops, my bad!
Draw a picture of that.

I misunderstood your post, so I responded incorrectly.

Still, I believe you are an irresponsible cat owner. Yes, it's my opinion.

William Graham wrote:
"Dan Espen" wrote in message
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"William Graham" writes:

Let me guess.....You're a liberal.....Right?
Geez Bill, afraid of those boogie man liberals?

Oh wait, I must be one too.

Yeah....They have a way of thinking they know how other people should live,
and if the other people don't live that way, then, by God, they're going to
make a law that insists that they live that way, or they are going to tax
the living hell out of their indiscretions until they are forced to live
that way.

How in hell does it add up to that?



There are many examples....Seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, huge,
ridiculous taxes on cigarettes, etc, etc. And, somehow, they know all about
how the other people should live, even though they have never walked even
for one second in their shoes.
They are on their way to their seat on the floor of congress, and they
are passed by a biker splitting lanes....They think, "Just you wait, you
SOB, I'll fix your ass!" Then, later on that day or week, or month, they
make a law that insists he wear an iron mask while he rides his bike, so his
life will be miserable all Summer long. Their excuse is, "So my insurance
rates will go down."
But in fact, the rates are higher, because he will be more likely to
break his neck and become a quadrapheligic. Had he not been wearing a
helmet, he would be slightly more likely to die, which is a lot cheaper for
the insurance company. So, even their sorry excuse for infringing on the
rights of others is flawed.
Yeah.....I hate the liberals.....I could write a book about it, and how they
have screwed up my life......

You shouldn't have let them.



Now this other AH, (whom I have kill filed, by the way) Is trying to
tell me how to take care of my cats, even though he knows absolutely nothing
about my home or my cats and what is best for either me, the house or the
cats.....If he had his way, he would make a law that insists they remain
locked up in my house.....Should the city make such a law, I would move out
of town, and should the state make such a law, I would probably have to
euthanize all four of them.

My, my! Temper!

And as if that wasn't bad enough: The town I live in doesn't allow one
household to own that many cats, inside or out! That'd drive him to
suicide, wouldn't it? God damned LIBERALS!!!

incidentally, I'm in Utah... they shoot liberals, don't they?

"William Graham" wrote in message
There are many examples....Seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, huge,
ridiculous taxes on cigarettes, etc, etc. And, somehow, they know all
about
how the other people should live, even though they have never walked even
for one second in their shoes.

You know, it's been awhile since I attacked your comments and I start to
think, that maybe you're ok and then you know what happens? You jump right
back into your senile, "I want my rights at all cost" and screw everybody
else ranting tirade. You just don't give a damn for anyone else as long as
you get your own way. You damn everybody that think the benefits of our
society should be shared a little more equally and flail mindlessly at any
suggestion that there's more in this life than just 'YOUR' rights.

You really are a screwed up, selfish old fart and I shudder to think how
you've treated other people during your long road to your current senile,
decrepit, ancient condition. Your one redeeming feature is that you support
some cats and that's it. Do everybody a favour will you and kiss off. The
cats will do fine without you and everybody else will breath a sigh of
relief that they don't have to listen any more to the asshole living in the
house at the end of the dead end street.