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Scott Hildenbrand 12-11-2007 05:36 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8 foot
ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of 5'
with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will go
the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide to
munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem to
cover this info.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end up
training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the full
8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance! :)

Bill R 12-11-2007 06:15 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8 foot
ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of 5'
with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will go
the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide to
munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem to
cover this info.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end up
training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the full
8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance! :)


As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.

Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

Gardening for over 40 years

To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

Scott Hildenbrand 12-11-2007 06:28 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance! :)


As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.

Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.



So Clematis is indeed pet safe then.. Good.. It's one of the ones I was
leaning towards using... Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.

Glad that you brought up Morning Glory, since I was hoping to grow some
on the fence itself as well as some Cypress Vine so those two are good
options for it then.

John McGaw 12-11-2007 10:31 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance! :)


As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.

Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.


http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/c...on/Ipomotr.htm

--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

Sheldon[_1_] 12-11-2007 11:57 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
On Nov 12, 11:36?am, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8 foot
ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of 5'
with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will go
the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide to
munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem to
cover this info.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end up
training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the full
8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.

Any advice?


Grapes... concords smell heavenly.


mleblanca 13-11-2007 12:26 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
On Nov 12, 9:28 am, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:


As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.


I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.


Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.


I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.


During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.


I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.


The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.


Any advice?


Thanks in advance! :)


As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.


Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.


So Clematis is indeed pet safe then.. Good.. It's one of the ones I was
leaning towards using... Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.

Glad that you brought up Morning Glory, since I was hoping to grow some
on the fence itself as well as some Cypress Vine so those two are good
options for it then.


Both Clematis and Morning Glory are toxic to animals and people.
Try this site

www.aspca.org/toxicplants/

Why not grow something you know is edible, such as berries or grapes?
Emilie
NorCal


Eggs Zachtly 13-11-2007 12:41 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand said:

[...]

Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.


That depends solely on the variety. Some get cut back, at the end of
winter, to 8-12".

Just pointing out that it's not always safe to generalize plants' care only
by the genus. ;)

--

Eggs

-I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.

Scott Hildenbrand 13-11-2007 12:48 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
mleblanca wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:28 am, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.
I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.
Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.
I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.
During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.
I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.
The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.
Any advice?
Thanks in advance! :)
As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.
Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.

So Clematis is indeed pet safe then.. Good.. It's one of the ones I was
leaning towards using... Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.

Glad that you brought up Morning Glory, since I was hoping to grow some
on the fence itself as well as some Cypress Vine so those two are good
options for it then.


Both Clematis and Morning Glory are toxic to animals and people.
Try this site

www.aspca.org/toxicplants/

Why not grow something you know is edible, such as berries or grapes?
Emilie
NorCal


Thanks for the link, though it errored on load I did google for aspca
toxic plants and pulled it up.

I see cypress vine is not on the list so puts it on the possibles.

As for growing something I know is edible, good Q.. I really don't have
an answer for that one. Though I'm not sure I'd do grapes.. Will have to
look into berries, so long as the plant doesn't have thorns.

Something else that came up was a Chocolate Vine, which seems to be 100%
edible. Seems that it's considered a pest in KY however.

Purple passion flower seems to also be on the edible list, as well as
Scarlett runner beans.. Anyone have experience on those three?

Scott Hildenbrand 13-11-2007 12:50 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Eggs Zachtly wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand said:

[...]

Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.


That depends solely on the variety. Some get cut back, at the end of
winter, to 8-12".

Just pointing out that it's not always safe to generalize plants' care only
by the genus. ;)


True, true.. My miss-information there.. ;) I'll re-phrase that to most
can take a heavy pruning.. :D

Eggs Zachtly 13-11-2007 12:58 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand said:

Eggs Zachtly wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand said:

[...]

Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.


That depends solely on the variety. Some get cut back, at the end of
winter, to 8-12".

Just pointing out that it's not always safe to generalize plants' care only
by the genus. ;)


True, true.. My miss-information there.. ;) I'll re-phrase that to most
can take a heavy pruning.. :D


Just make sure, if you buy one, you get the one you're expecting. That's
what I'm on about. ;)

--
Eggs

-What do you call a fish with no eyes? ... A fsh

Scott Hildenbrand 13-11-2007 12:59 AM

Q: Akebia - Chocolate Vine? -- P Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
mleblanca wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:28 am, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.
I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.
Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.
I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.
During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.
I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.
The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.
Any advice?
Thanks in advance! :)

S


Does anyone have any experience with Chocolate Vine (Akebia)? It's at
the top of my list of possible plants for on the dog ramp which will be
safe for them and edible for us.

Eggs Zachtly 13-11-2007 12:59 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand said:

mleblanca wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:28 am, Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:
Bill R wrote:
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.
I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8
foot ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.
Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of
5' with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will
go the full 5 foot height.
I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.
During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.
I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide
to munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem
to cover this info.
The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end
up training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the
full 8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.
Any advice?
Thanks in advance! :)
As a general rule, any vine (or plant) that has berries on it is NOT
safe around pets. One safe vine that I would consider is Clematis.
There are lots of varieties that will give you a lot of color and some
nice foliage and there is almost no maintenance with them. It takes
them a few years to grow and you need to pick the ones that are right
for your area and situation.
Also, vines like morning glory (annuals) grow quickly and (usually)
reseed themselves every year and they come in lots of colors.
So Clematis is indeed pet safe then.. Good.. It's one of the ones I was
leaning towards using... Best thing about Clematis is you can easily
train the main branch and prune the crud out of it back to the main
without much problem.

Glad that you brought up Morning Glory, since I was hoping to grow some
on the fence itself as well as some Cypress Vine so those two are good
options for it then.


Both Clematis and Morning Glory are toxic to animals and people.
Try this site

www.aspca.org/toxicplants/

Why not grow something you know is edible, such as berries or grapes?
Emilie
NorCal


Thanks for the link, though it errored on load I did google for aspca
toxic plants and pulled it up.

I see cypress vine is not on the list so puts it on the possibles.

As for growing something I know is edible, good Q.. I really don't have
an answer for that one. Though I'm not sure I'd do grapes.. Will have to
look into berries, so long as the plant doesn't have thorns.


Thorns would pretty much guarantee the animals won't chew on the vines. ;)

[rest snipped]

--

Eggs

If James Bond was an Amish spy, he would drink buttermilk. Shaken not
churned.

enigma 13-11-2007 03:13 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand wrote in
:

Purple passion flower seems to also be on the edible list,
as well as Scarlett runner beans.. Anyone have experience
on those three?


i grow scarlet runner beans. they're just an heirloom runner
(vine), so nothing poisonous about them. the beans are good
very small *or* full grown. there's a not so tasty week or so
between the stages where thay're no good as shell beans & too
tough for using like snaps. they also make good dry beans...
however they *are* a very lurid pink & purple spotted combo.
they turn green when cooked fresh, but the dry beans stay
kinda pink/purple.
hummingbirds like the flowers. they need a fairly warm soil
to sprout, but they grow fairly quickly, not very
branchy/bushy, so plant fairly close if you want coverage of
the screen.
purple podded string beans have similar growth habits & nice
purple flowers (scarlet runner flowers are red & white). make
sure you don't get the bush type on those.
either one if you keep the beans picked, they keep growing &
blooming until frost.
lee



--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

Kay Lancaster 14-11-2007 04:42 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
A few starters:

Ornamental gourds; squash; cucumbers
scarlet runner beans
pole beans
asparagus/yardlong bean
rambler roses

keep the beans picked inside the pen -- raw seeds are slightly toxic.

My idiot lab bites the vines off the pen when he's bored, so now he gets
"six shooter" type tall corn outside the pen for shade. My uncle's
labs never bothered gourds, squash or morning glories, but would eat any
cucumber they could reach.



Kay Lancaster 15-11-2007 04:42 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

As for growing something I know is edible, good Q.. I really don't have
an answer for that one. Though I'm not sure I'd do grapes.. Will have to


No grapes around dogs. There have been a number of reports of fatalities
in dogs with relatively small doses of either.

Purple passion flower seems to also be on the edible list, as well as


Which Passiflora species? At least some of them are toxic. (Sorry, I
don't do common names well.)

Hops might be another possibility, but check on that one with veterinary
toxicologists -- I'm unsure of that, but will throw it out as a potential.
And there are some ornamental hops vines that aren't too bad looking.

Kay


John M. Gamble 15-11-2007 06:08 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
In article ,
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:
As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8 foot
ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of 5'
with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will go
the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide to
munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem to
cover this info.


Hmm. I would still suggest sweet peas, which according to
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Lathysp.htm
is only toxic if large quatities of the seeds are eaten. Which,
given the growing habit, isn't likely - you'd have to deliberately
collect them.

The more flowers, the better, but anything is good. I'm going to end up


And they have lovely flowers.

training what ever grows there to grow along the balusters of the full
8' ramp as well as on the 5' deck section.



--
-john

February 28 1997: Last day libraries could order catalogue cards
from the Library of Congress.

Bill R 15-11-2007 10:27 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
John M. Gamble wrote:
In article ,
Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

As some of you had seen I'd been working on a 34x34' dog run off the
back of our house for our hounds.

I'm finished with the fence and am working on a deck section and 8 foot
ramp that will lead from the house to ground level for the dogs.

Anyway, the deck is built with a height of 3', and a final height of 5'
with the railing. The face side I'm going to use lattice which will go
the full 5 foot height.

I'm going to put a vine on it, but need advice on what would do best.

During summer it gets part sun from 11am till dusk. Fall it's mostly
shaded by the house.

I'd need something that is totally pet safe, just in case they decide to
munch on it. I'm not sure which ones are as none of the sites seem to
cover this info.



Hmm. I would still suggest sweet peas, which according to
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Lathysp.htm
is only toxic if large quatities of the seeds are eaten. Which,
given the growing habit, isn't likely - you'd have to deliberately
collect them.


The problem with sweet peas is that they only look good in the spring.
When the hot weather comes they stop blooming and (around here) by June
they look really bad (yellow foliage, no flowers).
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

Gardening for over 40 years

To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

[email protected] 17-11-2007 12:47 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
grapes. tough. edible. Ingrid

[email protected] 17-11-2007 12:48 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs eat grapes with no "toxic"
effects. Ingrid

No grapes around dogs. There have been a number of reports of fatalities
in dogs with relatively small doses of either.


enigma 17-11-2007 04:30 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
wrote in
. com:

wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs
eat grapes with no "toxic" effects.


grapes & raisins can cause kidney failure in canines. toxicity
varies from dog to dog, but the damage is cumulative. it is not
wise to let your dogs eat grapes or raisins.
lee

Kay Lancaster 17-11-2007 11:42 AM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:41 -0600, wrote:
wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs eat grapes with no "toxic"
effects. Ingrid

No grapes around dogs. There have been a number of reports of fatalities
in dogs with relatively small doses of either.


See Elwood and Whatling, 2006. Grape toxicity in dogs. Vet Rec.
April 8; 158(14):492

Campbell and Bates, 2003. Raisin poisoning in dogs. Vet Rec 2003;
152(12):376

Penny, Henderson & Brown. 2003. Raisin poisoning in a dog. Vet Rec 2003
152(10):376

Singleton. 2001. More information on grape or raisin toxicosis. J Am
Vet Med Assoc. 218(10):1555-6

etc.


Scott Hildenbrand 17-11-2007 05:24 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
Kay Lancaster wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:41 -0600, wrote:
wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs eat grapes with no "toxic"
effects. Ingrid

No grapes around dogs. There have been a number of reports of fatalities
in dogs with relatively small doses of either.


See Elwood and Whatling, 2006. Grape toxicity in dogs. Vet Rec.
April 8; 158(14):492

Campbell and Bates, 2003. Raisin poisoning in dogs. Vet Rec 2003;
152(12):376

Penny, Henderson & Brown. 2003. Raisin poisoning in a dog. Vet Rec 2003
152(10):376

Singleton. 2001. More information on grape or raisin toxicosis. J Am
Vet Med Assoc. 218(10):1555-6

etc.



Wow... Almost makes it seem like dogs can't be around anything.. I'm
still at a loss of something safe to have around them..

Bill R 17-11-2007 06:17 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
enigma wrote:

wrote in
. com:


wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs
eat grapes with no "toxic" effects.



grapes & raisins can cause kidney failure in canines. toxicity
varies from dog to dog, but the damage is cumulative. it is not
wise to let your dogs eat grapes or raisins.
lee


Another problem with unprotected grapes is that, when they start to get
ripe, they draw LOTS of birds. The bird eat and crap (a lot). The bird
do-do carries many diseases that dogs can pick up by just waking through it.
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

Gardening for over 40 years

To see pictures from my garden visit
http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

[email protected] 18-11-2007 03:27 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
All of the reports are anecdotal. From the last article given below:
"The toxic mechanism remains to be elucidated, and the apparent lack of a
reproducible dose response relationship has led some authors to suggest
this may reflect either a component of the fruits that is present in varying
quantities,or the existence of an extrinsic compound that may not always be present"

Our dogs have always eaten grapes and even raisins and lived to well past their
"natural" life span. In the wild wolves eat grapes. They have not yet found any
toxin in grapes, that is no "mechanism" of toxicity.

I find it interesting that there were NO reports of grape toxicity in dogs until
recently. HOWEVER, we now know about all the toxins in the food on the shelves,
toxins that cause renal and liver failure.

"Could you please tell me what the signs and symptoms of the melamine poisoning are
in dogs?

A: Signs to watch for with a suspected melamine poisoning includes vomiting,
inappetance, lethargy, urinating more frequently, and drinking more water.
The melamine is a renal toxin and can cause acute kidney failure. In dogs who
already have compromised kidneys, the symptoms are more severe. When the kidneys
fail, they are unable to clear the proteins from the blood, causing nausea. Some
dogs will vomit. Most will not be interested in their food. In attempt to flush the
kidneys, the dogs will be more thirsty and urinate more frequently.
If your dog is showing any of these clinical signs, we recommend having your
veterinarian check a renal bloodwork panel and a urinalysis."

THE DIFFERENCE? my dogs eat a raw meaty bone diet bought from a local human food
store. No processed, commercial dog foods, no melamine contamination, no aflatoxins,
no grains, carbs etc that compromise their health.

INgrid

On 17 Nov 2007 10:42:03 GMT, Kay Lancaster wrote:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:41 -0600, wrote:
wild grapes. dogs dont really go for them. all our dogs eat grapes with no "toxic"
effects. Ingrid

No grapes around dogs. There have been a number of reports of fatalities
in dogs with relatively small doses of either.


See Elwood and Whatling, 2006. Grape toxicity in dogs. Vet Rec.
April 8; 158(14):492

Campbell and Bates, 2003. Raisin poisoning in dogs. Vet Rec 2003;
152(12):376

Penny, Henderson & Brown. 2003. Raisin poisoning in a dog. Vet Rec 2003
152(10):376

Singleton. 2001. More information on grape or raisin toxicosis. J Am
Vet Med Assoc. 218(10):1555-6

etc.


[email protected] 18-11-2007 03:29 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
wild grapes are excellent, as is Virginia creeper. altho the birds do eat the ripe
fruit, they usually fly away to crap somewhere else. the only time we noticed blue
streaked poops was when we had a mountain ash and when it was ripe a flock of birds
(the ones with teh yellow stripe on the end of the tail feathers) would show up to
eat all the fruit. Ingrid

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:24:20 -0600, Scott Hildenbrand
Wow... Almost makes it seem like dogs can't be around anything.. I'm
still at a loss of something safe to have around them..


Ha 15-05-2019 03:44 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
replying to Bill R, Ha wrote:
Clematis are highly toxic to cats and dogs per other websites....

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Dawn Neill 03-05-2020 04:44 PM

Pet Safe Vines?
 
replying to mleblanca, Dawn Neill wrote:
Grapes are toxic to dogs

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