Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae grown on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

George.com wrote:
Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae
grown on sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

My first thought was that this is probably a lot of crap.

But then I see some algae have fat contents that may be worth harvesting
for biodiesel:

http://www.oilgae.com/algae/oil/yield/yield.html

US agribusiness better get to work and make sure tariffs are legislated
to keep out cheap fuel so they can continue to hose us by diverting
human and animal food into petrol

Frank

In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae grown on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum? Will it be as successful at making people sick as
high fructose con syrup (type 2 diabetes), hydrogenated vegetable oil
(cardiovascular disease), or, perhaps, Monsanto's organophosphates
which slow metabolism?

What's that? Do I hear some innocent saying that oil from sewage scum
won't be used for food? Uh-huh.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...cGLdQD8UBRJIO0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae grown
on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum? Will it be as successful at making people sick as
high fructose con syrup (type 2 diabetes), hydrogenated vegetable oil
(cardiovascular disease), or, perhaps, Monsanto's organophosphates
which slow metabolism?

What's that? Do I hear some innocent saying that oil from sewage scum
won't be used for food? Uh-huh.

Why would oil from sewerage be used as food? The algae grown on sewer ponds
could be used for bio-fuels which strikes me as a perfect win-win. We farm
already intensive land (sewerage ponds) to produce a crop (algae) that can
be used to create fuel AND we clean up the water. No sure of the costs
involved but it makes some sense to me. Existing bio-fuel production
involves using food to produce fuel, or food growing land to produce fuel
crops, or rainforest to grow fuel crops. This in itself creates problems,
never mind looking at the energy wasted to turn the likes of corn into fuel,
the impacts on famers in developing countries on the harvesting of fuel
crops, the potential loss of habitat, bio-diversity, potential damage to
soils & water ways etc etc. I like the idea that every time I have a dump I
could drive a kilometre on the by-product.

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bar

agreed. Why the hell give away $100 billion in tax credits to try and prop
up your economy? To my mind that money would be better spent on
infrastructure investment. Spend it on fixing your roads, bridges, power
grid etc. From what I understand the US infrastructure needs a fair bit of
attention. Not only do you get a tangible result at the end but the extra
spending will stimulate economic activity. The money going through companies
and wage packets can be taxed and the flow on effects will help hold up
aggregate demand.

rob

In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae grown
on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum? Will it be as successful at making people sick as
high fructose con syrup (type 2 diabetes), hydrogenated vegetable oil
(cardiovascular disease), or, perhaps, Monsanto's organophosphates
which slow metabolism?

What's that? Do I hear some innocent saying that oil from sewage scum
won't be used for food? Uh-huh.

Why would oil from sewerage be used as food? The algae grown on sewer ponds
could be used for bio-fuels which strikes me as a perfect win-win. We farm
already intensive land (sewerage ponds) to produce a crop (algae) that can
be used to create fuel AND we clean up the water. No sure of the costs
involved but it makes some sense to me. Existing bio-fuel production
involves using food to produce fuel, or food growing land to produce fuel
crops, or rainforest to grow fuel crops. This in itself creates problems,
never mind looking at the energy wasted to turn the likes of corn into fuel,
the impacts on famers in developing countries on the harvesting of fuel
crops, the potential loss of habitat, bio-diversity, potential damage to
soils & water ways etc etc. I like the idea that every time I have a dump I
could drive a kilometre on the by-product.

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bar

agreed. Why the hell give away $100 billion in tax credits to try and prop
up your economy? To my mind that money would be better spent on
infrastructure investment. Spend it on fixing your roads, bridges, power
grid etc. From what I understand the US infrastructure needs a fair bit of
attention. Not only do you get a tangible result at the end but the extra
spending will stimulate economic activity. The money going through companies
and wage packets can be taxed and the flow on effects will help hold up
aggregate demand.

rob

Whoa Rob. You are letting facts and reason get in the way of a tidy
profit. We (the editorial "we") here in the States think "Casino
Capitalism" is only for entrepreneurs (suckers). The real game is to
fund re-election campaigns like the "Energy Summit" sponsored by the big
Dick Cheney. Participants saw a four thousand fold return on their
investments. Thinking the way you do, the US would never have gone into
Iraq or Afghanistan, and the where would our military-industrial complex
be then? Just the prelude to the invasion of Iraq "required" more
ordinance than we used in both theaters during WWII. But we aren't here
to talk of the scandalous gang of miscreants who are running the US at
present or will be running it after next January.

I'm here to say that if an edible oil can be produced from crud eating
algae that is competitive in price with standard agricultural oils, you
KNOW that it is going to end up in highly refined prepared connivence
foods in combination with the GMO corn and soybeans.

I have no problem with bio-diesel from crud, bio-mass from crud, or
methane from crud, as long as it is used for fuel. The Afghanis cut out
the middle man and just burn the pasture pastries (no wood). It's just
seems to me, that our masters have decided to skin the sheep (us)
instead of shearing them. ( maladies that were brought on by high
fructose corn syrup and trans-fats. Weird proteins are made by GMOs and
allergic reactions to them still aren't well understood at present even
though they have entered the food pipeline. Just makes you wonder what
we will be guinea pigs for next.) I'm sure some board of directors will
be pleased with the quarterly profits.

I think paranoia is becoming a life skill.

May I just have plain, natural, non-technological food, please?
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/2...g_study_counts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae
grown
on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum? Will it be as successful at making people sick
as
high fructose con syrup (type 2 diabetes), hydrogenated vegetable oil
(cardiovascular disease), or, perhaps, Monsanto's organophosphates
which slow metabolism?

What's that? Do I hear some innocent saying that oil from sewage scum
won't be used for food? Uh-huh.

Why would oil from sewerage be used as food? The algae grown on sewer
ponds
could be used for bio-fuels which strikes me as a perfect win-win. We
farm
already intensive land (sewerage ponds) to produce a crop (algae) that
can
be used to create fuel AND we clean up the water. No sure of the costs
involved but it makes some sense to me. Existing bio-fuel production
involves using food to produce fuel, or food growing land to produce fuel
crops, or rainforest to grow fuel crops. This in itself creates problems,
never mind looking at the energy wasted to turn the likes of corn into
fuel,
the impacts on famers in developing countries on the harvesting of fuel
crops, the potential loss of habitat, bio-diversity, potential damage to
soils & water ways etc etc. I like the idea that every time I have a dump
I
could drive a kilometre on the by-product.

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bar

agreed. Why the hell give away $100 billion in tax credits to try and
prop
up your economy? To my mind that money would be better spent on
infrastructure investment. Spend it on fixing your roads, bridges, power
grid etc. From what I understand the US infrastructure needs a fair bit
of
attention. Not only do you get a tangible result at the end but the extra
spending will stimulate economic activity. The money going through
companies
and wage packets can be taxed and the flow on effects will help hold up
aggregate demand.

rob

Whoa Rob. You are letting facts and reason get in the way of a tidy
profit. We (the editorial "we") here in the States think "Casino
Capitalism" is only for entrepreneurs (suckers). The real game is to
fund re-election campaigns like the "Energy Summit" sponsored by the big
Dick Cheney. Participants saw a four thousand fold return on their
investments. Thinking the way you do, the US would never have gone into
Iraq or Afghanistan, and the where would our military-industrial complex
be then?

Yes, some people got very rich with the invasion. Thick as the barn door
dubya just wanted to get even on old Saddam for trying to kill his old man.
Unfortunately for the working man and women it seems like dubyas ineptitude
& thirst for revenge is coming back to hit them big time. I guess at least
amny economic melt down will be laid where it belongs, at the feet of Bush
rather than the poor sucker who has to inherit his mess. The true 'genius'
of Bush will be captured for all of history.

Just the prelude to the invasion of Iraq "required" more
ordinance than we used in both theaters during WWII. But we aren't here
to talk of the scandalous gang of miscreants who are running the US at
present or will be running it after next January.

I read in a post tonight some usary ******* who was raking in something like
$35 million US per year and drove Merrill Lynch to a multi billion dollar
loss. The prick did a runner with $250 million golden parachute whilst the
working person was left to pick up the real costs. Usary exploitative pricks
like that sum up well one of the fundamentals that is wrong with society of
late capitalism. The dollar is the end goal, rampant consumerism celebrated,
marketing flash and glitz is everything, values like community &
collectivism trampelled in the rush for get rich quick.

I'm here to say that if an edible oil can be produced from crud eating
algae that is competitive in price with standard agricultural oils, you
KNOW that it is going to end up in highly refined prepared connivence
foods in combination with the GMO corn and soybeans.

well, if my dump ends up in convenience foods that just becomes another
great reason not to buy microwave 'meals' eh. You get to have the same crap
twice eh.

rob

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

May I just have plain, natural, non-technological food,
please?

no, of course not!
go to http://www.nonais.org & read yesterday's entry. then go
to the Fed's comments page & request the USDA not corrupt the
meaning of 'naturally raised' as they have the meaning of
'organic'.
as a small (natural, organic) farmer in the gun sights of big
ag, i thank you.
lee

"Billy" wrote in message
news:wildbilly-B7E6A1.10285224012008@c-61-68-245-

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum?

I thought pond scum was already wide spread in those parts?

David

In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

I read in a post tonight some usary ******* who was raking in something like
$35 million US per year and drove Merrill Lynch to a multi billion dollar
loss. The prick did a runner with $250 million golden parachute whilst the
working person was left to pick up the real costs. Usary exploitative pricks
like that sum up well one of the fundamentals that is wrong with society of
late capitalism. The dollar is the end goal, rampant consumerism celebrated,
marketing flash and glitz is everything, values like community &
collectivism trampelled in the rush for get rich quick.

I'm here to say that if an edible oil can be produced from crud eating
algae that is competitive in price with standard agricultural oils, you
KNOW that it is going to end up in highly refined prepared connivence
foods in combination with the GMO corn and soybeans.

well, if my dump ends up in convenience foods that just becomes another
great reason not to buy microwave 'meals' eh. You get to have the same crap
twice eh.

rob

The same mentality that led Delta Airlines to set up retirements trusts
for their executives, and then let the airline go bankrupt, wiping out
the retirement of its' employees, and the same mentality that led Merck
to keep Vioxx on the market four more years, after they knew it was
killing people, is the same mentality that controls our food supply and
our government.

People should be mad as hell and bang those pots and pans to let their
anger be known. The real solution is already illegal.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/2...g_study_counts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

May I just have plain, natural, non-technological food,
please?

no, of course not!
go to http://www.nonais.org & read yesterday's entry. then go
to the Fed's comments page & request the USDA not corrupt the
meaning of 'naturally raised' as they have the meaning of
'organic'.
as a small (natural, organic) farmer in the gun sights of big
ag, i thank you.
lee

http://www.nonais.org

Anybody who eats, should read the above page.

Big agribusiness and their "bought and paid for" politicians are trying
to separate us further and further from food production so that we will
be totally at their mercy.

Over half the seeds sold for gardens already have copyrights on them.
Small ranchers aren't allowed to butcher their own live stock, unless
they have stainless steel abattoirs, which are prohibitively expensive,
unless you are a major producer. This flies in the face of the fact that
most diseases can be tracked back to manure filled feed lot operations,
and rapid and undiscerning butchering of the animals.

For real food, support Community Supported Agriculture and small farms,
and buy locally, if given a choice.

It is amazing to me how often I come across the reference to feed lot
beef vs. pastured beef. Simple societies that consume large quantities
of meat do not get cardiovascular disease. The difference seems to be
the omega-3 fatty acids content of the animals food (apparently this
holds true for farmed salmon as well). Grass and leaves (and algae) are
high in omega-3 fatty acids. Grains are low in omega-3 fatty acids but
high in omega-6 fatty acids. Where our ancestors used to have a diet
that had a ratio of 1 to 1 of omega-3 to omega-6, our present diet is
roughly 1 to 10. Healthy food makes healthy people.

Grains also destroy the stomachs of the steers that it is fed to, which
is another reason that feed lots need to use antibiotics on their herds.
This in turn breeds antibiotic resistant bacteria which are becoming
more and more prevalent in the human population.

For those who haven't read it, you may want to read about the effects of
corn on beef in Michael Pollans article for the NY Times,
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...F932A05750C0A9
649C8B63.

Lastly, gardeners, try to identify the weeds in your gardens befor you
pull them out. Some of them are medicinal, culinary herbs like cleavers,
purslane, chickweed, dandelions, and lambs quarters. These plants can
furnish flavor, fiber, diuretics, potassium, calcium, omega-3 fatty
acids, and anti-inflammatory compounds, among others things, to your
diet. I hate to think that some of us get sick, when the cure is growing
out in our own yards.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/2...g_study_counts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article ,
"kzin" wrote:

On 25-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

Over half the seeds sold for gardens already have copyrights on them.

If you want a grim vision of where patented GM seeds is leading the world
see if you can find the short story "The Calorie Man". It takes place in a
world where all seeds are patented and farmers are subject to having their
fields destroyed if they use, even accidentally, any seed not purchased from
licensed sellers. Plants have been modified so that they do not produce
seed and so new seed must be purchased at the start of every growing season.
Producing your own seed, i.e. natural farming, is impossible. Trying to
farm using old non-GM seeds is impossible due to the GM predators developed
by the agribusiness to ensure only plants grown from their seed stock have
any chance of survival.

Fiction yes, but not all that far fetched.

ml

One of six short stories is Calorie Man.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2hwugz

US ~$16.

Bill who no longer has local pull plants in my area. But had wild
turkey's drinking from our pond 10 feet away from our kitchen right now.

--

Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
ICAO = KMIV Millvile Weather

In article ,
"kzin" wrote:

On 25-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

Over half the seeds sold for gardens already have copyrights on them.

If you want a grim vision of where patented GM seeds is leading the world
see if you can find the short story . It takes place in a
world where all seeds are patented and farmers are subject to having their
fields destroyed if they use, even accidentally, any seed not purchased from
licensed sellers. Plants have been modified so that they do not produce
seed and so new seed must be purchased at the start of every growing season.
Producing your own seed, i.e. natural farming, is impossible. Trying to
farm using old non-GM seeds is impossible due to the GM predators developed
by the agribusiness to ensure only plants grown from their seed stock have
any chance of survival.

Fiction yes, but not all that far fetched.

ml

I'm hooked. The anthology that the "The Calorie Man" is in, "Pump Six
and Other Stories", isn't to be released for 4 more days. Where did you
read it? I have "extremely" limited interrogation techniques so please
speak up.

Also, thanks for the recommendation, I'm sure I'll be reading it soon:-)
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/2...g_study_counts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush