"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.

I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.


In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what you
mean?

1. forester
2. biologist
3. arborist
4. tree expert

They are your words or should I say your noise.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.



--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.

I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.

Don, as a forester (however you define it), what have you done for the
health of a forest lately?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.

I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.


In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what you
mean?

1. forester
2. biologist
3. arborist
4. tree expert


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.



How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but
not a forester, nor anything else you claim.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.

I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.


In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what
you mean?

1. forester
2. biologist
3. arborist
4. tree expert


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.



How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher,
but not a forester, nor anything else you claim.

Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At
least I now know what you mean.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher,
but not a forester, nor anything else you claim.

Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At
least I now know what you mean.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing.

In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher,
but not a forester, nor anything else you claim.

Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At
least I now know what you mean.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing.

Actually, the knock was against a forester, which John has never claimed
to be. I think he over reacted against a criticism that wasn't aimed at
him. I could be wrong. So, cut any good trees lately, Don? Yes, yes, I
know you don't like me and I will agree that John is a pain in the a**,
but you are such a nut case. Get a life.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting forester
as I define it at
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html

You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!!

never said I was.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.




- "Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
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How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood
butcher,
but not a forester, nor anything else you claim.

Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At
least I now know what you mean.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
reminding
us that we are not the boss.

You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing.

Actually, the knock was against a forester, which John has never claimed
to be. I think he over reacted against a criticism that wasn't aimed at
him. I could be wrong. So, cut any good trees lately, Don? Yes, yes, I
know you don't like me and I will agree that John is a pain in the a**,
but you are such a nut case. Get a life.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

"symplastless" wrote in message
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I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting
forester as I define it at
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html

You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!!

never said I was.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

Regardless of what you put in your so called dictionary, you are not, and
cannot, be a forester, consulting or other wise. Saw hand, maybe, but no
forester. Any more than you are a biologist, tree expert, or arborist.

In article , "Don Staples"
wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting
forester as I define it at
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html

You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!!

never said I was.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

Regardless of what you put in your so called dictionary, you are not, and
cannot, be a forester, consulting or other wise. Saw hand, maybe, but no
forester. Any more than you are a biologist, tree expert, or arborist.

Still, as imaginary states of being go, symptomless's delusion he's a tree
expert and forestry consultant is for the most part harmless. True, bad
advice could really screw up someone's garden, but it's not like a lot of
folks are fooled by him so he can't cause TOO much harm always pretending.


And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com.html
visit my film reviews webiste:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

"symplastless" wrote in message
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So now you are a prophet?
What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a
forester? That would be a start.

A forester is what you are not. Some one with education. Some one with
experience. Some one that doesn't write definitions to suit himself, or
include himself into profession, as do you, that he is not qualified to
address, much less claim membership.

In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand for
the good Dr. Shigo.

"paghat" wrote in message
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In article , "Don Staples"
wrote:


And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.


I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:43:00 -0600, "Don Staples"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
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In article , "Don Staples"
wrote:


And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life
has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert
in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If
you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.


I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature.

Turn the other cheek, etc. False prophets refer to people giving
false statements about God, not trees. The bible always gets spilled
into other areas it doesn't belong and is used as a weapon. That's
abhorant.

Over the ages prophets have appeared in all areas of society, and culture.
We have economic prophets, and guru's. Many of them false. Prophets of
doom and gloom in politics, etc.

In article ,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:43:00 -0600, "Don Staples"
wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
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In article , "Don Staples"
wrote:


And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life
has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert
in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If
you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.


I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature.

Turn the other cheek, etc. False prophets refer to people giving
false statements about God, not trees. The bible always gets spilled
into other areas it doesn't belong and is used as a weapon. That's
abhorant.

Over the ages prophets have appeared in all areas of society, and culture.
We have economic prophets, and guru's. Many of them false. Prophets of
doom and gloom in politics, etc.

Who-ha. Want to see a zoo? Try Don's original group, alt.forestry. They
are all bogged down in creationism and false prophets. No wonder that
was what was on the tip of his tongue.

Don, in the year and a half that you have been posting in this group you
have only tried to be helpful once and that was with prodding. There was
a time when you just wanted John out of alt.forestry. He is out. Not a
single posting.

So why don't you try to be a good gardener and be nurturing, or go back
and fight the inquisition in your own group and set your own house in
order? John MAY be a nut but he is OUR nut.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

I can say is you two have more time on your hands then most. Cannot beat a dead horse nor lead it to water.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
...
"paghat" wrote in message
...
In article , "Don Staples"
wrote:


And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life
has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert
in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If
you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.


I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature.

So now you are a prophet?
What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a
forester? That would be a start.

original message:
Val, with respect,

What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". Too often
decisions are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html
I do not claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the
method and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I
see it in urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting
the wood out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when
"you" say "forester"?
Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding the
ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship between
the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a supply of
wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing commercial hemp and
the products it can produce. It is said that George Washington's first flag
was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on hemp. Sure I am a
consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need to separate the
forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also would benefit
by an understanding of tree biology in managing their non-renewable natural
resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the role it plays on
healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its sad when it is
not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list endorses me or my
thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what makes me unique.
Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance of tree biology
still remains a serious problem for trees and their associates worldwide.
We are an associate, friend or foe.
I repeat, by your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Enough of my thoughts, what
are yours?
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.