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When people pass by your house or they come to visit, the first thing
you notice is your yard. Landscaping truly does make the yard and it's
what makes people stop and take notice.

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When people pass by your house or they come to visit, the first thing
you notice is your yard. Landscaping truly does make the yard and it's
what makes people stop and take notice.

http://www.articlesofinformation.com...andscaping/105



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Problems associated with woody plants. there are some similarities between
many woody shrubs and trees.

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Many tree problems are associated with the following: These things can be
considered for woody shrubs as well often.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
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Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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When people pass by your house or they come to visit, the first thing
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When people pass by your house or they come to visit, the first thing
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http://www.articlesofinformation.com...andscaping/105



Who needs libraries when we have stuff like this?

The yammering "tree genius" has more first cousins than I imagined.

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FYI, woody plants aren't always the answer. As someone who spent 5 years in Environmental Design, Land Arch for the uninformed, the most pleasing aspect of any landscape is uniformity. Ground covers with small trees and perennials interspersed is not harsh on the eye, but rather soothing, and there is nothing more disturbing then plants that are shaped, except in formal gardens. Read some info on Thomas Church's approach and certainly don't take a foresters "expert" opinion on anything to do around the home because they work in forests not in suburbia. When I did design build I knew I had become successful when "landscapers" started implimenting my designs, which always fell short, because they were clueless about what I was attempting to accomplish since each property has its own personality.
If you want to learn how to propagate groundcovers to increase your landscape, from the USA go to http://propagatingperennials.blogspot.com. It ain't rocket science.
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don't take a foresters "expert" opinion on anything


Not to worry, Wreck Gardens doesn't have one and blithely ignore those who
claim to be.

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Val

Where did you study tree biology?


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Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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don't take a foresters "expert" opinion on anything


Not to worry, Wreck Gardens doesn't have one and blithely ignore those who
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Val, with respect,

What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". Too often
decisions are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html
I do not claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the
method and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I
see it in urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting
the wood out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when
"you" say "forester"?
Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding the
ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship between
the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a supply of
wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing commercial hemp and
the products it can produce. It is said that George Washington's first flag
was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on hemp. Sure I am a
consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need to separate the
forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also would benefit
by an understanding of tree biology in managing their non-renewable natural
resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the role it plays on
healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its sad when it is
not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list endorses me or my
thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what makes me unique.
Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance of tree biology
still remains a serious problem for trees and their associates worldwide.
We are an associate, friend or foe.
I repeat, by your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Enough of my thoughts, what
are yours?
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.







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don't take a foresters "expert" opinion on anything


Not to worry, Wreck Gardens doesn't have one and blithely ignore those who
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Val



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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.


No shit.



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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.


No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.


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Sincerely,
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Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.



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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.


No (snip).


Don you took a lot out of context. here is the original post.

Val, with respect,

What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". Too often
decisions are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html
I do not claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the
method and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I
see it in urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting
the wood out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when
"you" say "forester"?
Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding the
ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship between
the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a supply of
wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing commercial hemp and
the products it can produce. It is said that George Washington's first flag
was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on hemp. Sure I am a
consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need to separate the
forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also would benefit
by an understanding of tree biology in managing their non-renewable natural
resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the role it plays on
healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its sad when it is
not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list endorses me or my
thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what makes me unique.
Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance of tree biology
still remains a serious problem for trees and their associates worldwide.
We are an associate, friend or foe.
I repeat, by your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Enough of my thoughts, what
are yours?
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.


No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.


I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.

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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.


I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.


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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Val, with respect,

I am not a forester.

No (snip).

Don, please define what you are.


I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist,
arborist, or tree expert.



Why then is the link to your site defining a forester missing?
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

Please define what a forester is now that you claim you are one.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
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