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Default USDA/APHIS plant import question(s) for any import experts, specifically Puerto Rico

I'm in Puerto Rico (work trip) and would like to bring a handful of plants
back with me to Michigan (Mango, Avacado, etc- all fruit trees).

I contacted APHIS by email and was told that they consider Puerto Rico a US
state (it is actually a US Commonwealth, but for USDA purposes it is treated
as a state). They have no problems as long as I don't have endangered
plants, and the plants are clean of pests and transported without soil.

I contacted the Michigan Dept of Agriculture to make sure they wouldn't have
any problems with the import. They indicated that fruit trees are not
regulated (they have a list of noxious plants, and a list of vegetables you
can't import into the state). All good so far.

I asked the workers at the USDA inspection station at the Puerto Rico
airport on my last trip if they had any concerns about bareroot fruit trees
headed to Michigan, and they said that there shouldn't be any problem.

I'm buying the plants from a government nursery, but the department I'm
buying them from expressed two rules/concerns that I hadn't heard from any
of the above, and I'm wondering if anyone has specific experience and could
help me understand what I should be prepared for when I show up at the
airport with my plants;

(1) I was told that there is a new regulation (went into effect in the last
week or so?) that limits the number of plants I can take through in my
baggage. I'm probably still under any reasonable limit (I'm thinking of
maybe 6 plants total). I checked the APHIS website but didn't see any
postings for new regulations about quantity of plants

(2) The APHIS fruit & plant import list actually lists the requirement as
"plants without soil" and I had originally been told that there were other
non-soil mediums that could be used to help retain moisture during
transport. Also, I ordered plants from a Puerto Rico commercial nursery
several years ago and recieved them shipped in a soil-free medium. I'm now
being told that I can't/shouldn't use any medium and just carry the plants
completely bareroot, because the APHIS inspectors will just remove any
medium anyway (or possibly not let the plants through).

Does anyone have recent experience personally transporting plants from
Puerto Rico, or anyone on this list from APHIS that could help me understand
what to expect?

Many thanks,
Keith


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Persephone wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 08:35:27 -0400, "Ker_01"
wrote:

I'm in Puerto Rico (work trip) and would like to bring a handful of plants
back with me to Michigan (Mango, Avocado, etc- all fruit trees).

I contacted APHIS by email and was told that they consider Puerto Rico a
US
state (it is actually a US Commonwealth, but for USDA purposes it is
treated
as a state). They have no problems as long as I don't have endangered
plants, and the plants are clean of pests and transported without soil.

I contacted the Michigan Dept of Agriculture to make sure they wouldn't
have
any problems with the import. They indicated that fruit trees are not
regulated (they have a list of noxious plants, and a list of vegetables
you
can't import into the state). All good so far.

I asked the workers at the USDA inspection station at the Puerto Rico
airport on my last trip if they had any concerns about bareroot fruit
trees
headed to Michigan, and they said that there shouldn't be any problem.

I'm buying the plants from a government nursery, but the department I'm
buying them from expressed two rules/concerns that I hadn't heard from any
of the above, and I'm wondering if anyone has specific experience and
could
help me understand what I should be prepared for when I show up at the
airport with my plants;

(1) I was told that there is a new regulation (went into effect in the
last
week or so?) that limits the number of plants I can take through in my
baggage. I'm probably still under any reasonable limit (I'm thinking of
maybe 6 plants total). I checked the APHIS website but didn't see any
postings for new regulations about quantity of plants

(2) The APHIS fruit & plant import list actually lists the requirement as
"plants without soil" and I had originally been told that there were other
non-soil mediums that could be used to help retain moisture during
transport. Also, I ordered plants from a Puerto Rico commercial nursery
several years ago and received them shipped in a soil-free medium. I'm now
being told that I can't/shouldn't use any medium and just carry the plants
completely bareroot, because the APHIS inspectors will just remove any
medium anyway (or possibly not let the plants through).

Does anyone have recent experience personally transporting plants from
Puerto Rico, or anyone on this list from APHIS that could help me
understand
what to expect?

Many thanks,
Keith

I commiserate with you on the many demarches you have taken without
any definite solution.

Faced with this kind of situation, I'd contact my Member of Congress
and ask for an operational answer. These folks LOVE to do
"constituent services", which they hope translates into votes next
election.

If you don't know who your Rep. is, go to http://www.house.gov/
and follow the prompts. Depending on your time frame, you could
either call and ask for a Constituent Services staffer or --
preferably -- send an email or fax copying the dilemma you outlined
above, and follow up next day or so with a phone call.

Heck, we pay these, uh, "individuals", so might as well get
some help when you need it! They have the access to
make a phone call or two and, one hopes, cut your Gordian knot.

Let us know if you did it and how it worked out.

Persephone


Persephone-

Thanks for the link and the suggestion. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough
time before my return trip to go through bureaucracy, so I took my chances.
Here is my final trip feedback.

* At the airport's main USDA inspection station (outside the airport) they
inspected my plants. I had eight, and they told me if I ever have 12 or more
that I would need to go to cargo inspection, because they weren't staffed to
inspect large numbers at the 'normal' inspection station. My plants were
very healthy, so they checked them and let me continue. I think this "12 or
more" rule is what made the guy who sold me the plants think that I had to
do extra inspections/processing, but with a low plant count, it wasn't a
problem.

* When going through the airport security checkpoint/x-ray, another USDA
inspector wanted to see documentation for the plants. She didn't make me
re-open the box, but she did look at the business card of the person who
sold them to me, and printouts of my emails from APHIS and Mich Dept of Ag.
Based on the initial attitude of the inspector, I think that if I hadn't had
that extra documentation I might have had a problem, even though I already
had the USDA sticker from the first inspection on the box.

* I asked at the gate for both of my flights if I could put my (oversized)
box in the cabin coat closet (where they put large fragile items like
musical instruments, etc). Crew bags get first priority, then it is
first-come, first serve. I was able to do so on both flights. I had actually
printed stickers saying "Live Plants", "Fragile", "This End Up", and
"Climate Controlled or Cabin Baggage" and pasted them all over the outside
of the box- I think that helped the airline reps realize that I wasn't just
trying to take a random oversized box on the plane- somehow it looked more
official with the stickers.

*For what it is worth, I built my own double-reinforced cardboard box so
that it would be exactly 14 x 9 x 22 (carry-on size), then when I got the
plants they were too tall, so I extended just the 22" dimension to about 3
feet long total, so it ended up being a long skinny box. I think a wider box
might not have made it in the available cabin closet space.

One of my plants didn't make it, but now I have 4 mangos, 2 Avacado, and 1
fruit that I don't even know the name of- they are showing some plant shock,
but hopefully they will recover quickly.

Best,
Keith


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