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Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy
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Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


Well the short answer for me is I intend to live here till I die so
does better half. We plant for our needs and design interests. If you
like designing your environment and consider it fun than do it . But
you seem to be considering a move. You have your reasons.

Below site may address some of your issues. Thorny.

http://www.plant-care.com/blog/110/l...property-value
s/

Bill

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Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


Well the short answer for me is I intend to live here till I die so
does better half. We plant for our needs and design interests. If you
like designing your environment and consider it fun than do it . But
you seem to be considering a move. You have your reasons.

Below site may address some of your issues. Thorny.

http://www.plant-care.com/blog/110/l...property-value
s/

Bill


http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=xfkeMi%2BJ48Mh27Mfh9K75w%3D%3D

Meant to post this earlier.

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Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


I'm no expert on the matter, but it might be possible to put some sort of
conservation easement on a portion of your lot. Just as gas or mineral
rights can be sold seperately from actual land ownership, so can development
rights, logging rights etc. You would be reducing the value of your
property somewhat, but the entire reduction in value can be written off of
your income taxes.



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The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.



IMO the right buyer has simply not seen the home yet.
I sold last year in a very tough South Florida market, and the entire front
yard was mulched and planted- photos available
http://www.cearbhaill.com/

I have NO doubt that my home sold on curb appeal alone- my buyers just fell
in love with it and had to have it. It couldn't have been the interior of
the home as it still had its original avocado green and harvest gold
bathrooms! Many areas needed work, some substantial.

I had spoken to several people about the situation prior to putting the home
on the market, and the general consensus was that some folks will find a
non-lawn yard a liability and some folks will love it.
I just happened to luck into a couple who loved it after only 30 days on the
market, and they paid full asking.

I realize that this is little help to someone sitting wondering why their
home won't sell. But you asked for experiences and this is mine

Good luck- someone will find it charming, I'm sure.


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USDA Zone 6b
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On 7/27/2008 6:30 AM, wrote:
Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


This past May, we visited Winterthur in Delaware. For about 150 years,
this was an estate of the Du Pont family. See
http://www.winterthur.org/.

The gardens were outstanding. Our tour guide described them as natural
gardens but then went on to explain the term "natural". The gardens
were planned and planted, not left to nature. They were planted to
resemble what nature might do but contained a significant number of
non-native plants. The gardens are maintained, including pruning and
occasionally replacing plants.

If you allowed nature to plant your garden, you should at least groom
it. Trim shrubs to open a vista. Remove dead tree limbs. Add some
plants that are well adapted to your climate and that are compatible
with the natives (e.g., ferns, spring bulbs). Provide paths through it,
perhaps paved with bark chips, decomposed granite, or recycled concrete
(broken up sidewalks) as stepping stones. A bench within the native
plants would be a nice place to sit and listen to birds singing.

A natural garden can be much more attractive than a weed lot. Some even
resemble classic English perennial country gardens.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening pages at http://www.rossde.com/garden/
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On Jul 27, 9:30�am, "
wrote:
Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? �Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! �I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.


That's the craziest thing, buyers wanting you to pay in advance for
their purported landscaping... sounds like a cheap shot to me, what if
after they close they decide to leave it as is... then you're a
sucker. Sell it as is at the price you set. And why are you
concerned with what the next owners do, what if they said they want
you to pay to repaint your freshly painted house some other color, are
you in any way obligated, of course not, and they probably wont paint,
they'll put the money towards a vacation or some such. If you're
selling the place move on and don't look back... if you truly were so
concerned about your landscaping you'd not be selling, yours is a
"control from the grave" mentality.
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


Very few people appreciate a "natural" lot, but it only takes one
buyer. Improve street appeal and brighten your front door with color.
This is a bad time to sell so it might take more time and/or a lower
asking price. It's in your best interest to set emotions aside. Good
luck.
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" wrote:

Hi everybody,

We live near the downtown of Green Bay, Wisconsin, though actually,
it's an old "suburb." Back in the 1920's, the lots were platted as
"farmettes" 50' wide and 250' deep, the idea being that everyone would
have a produce garden.

Over the years most people eventually converted their yards to nothing
but lawn, but when we purchased the home 20 years ago, we decided to
convert half of the backyard to an urban habitat with natural
landscaping. The result has been not only a lovely wooded and secluded
lot full of flowers from early spring through fall, but we haven't
needed to water or use any chemicals. What little lawn we have
(because we've kept it mowed away from neighbors' properties) is only
a 30 minute task with a reel mower.

The problem is, we now have the home up for sale and what to us has
been an asset is a liability in the eyes of prospective buyers! They
want us to knock off thousands of dollars from our asking price for
their cost of "cutting down those trees and clearing out all those
weeds in back." They want the big rectangular lawn.

Has anyone else experienced this situation and if so, what did you
do? Are there any networks we could plug into where we might find an
appreciative owner for this beautiful landscape? We would gladly knock
off a few thousand to someone who said "This is lovely! I want to
keep it." But we've already rejected an offer from somebody who wants
to destroy it. (Yes, I know...we're crazy.)

Thanks for any advice or suggestions you might have to offer.

:-) Tommy


This is a tragic tale, and we may have to face it someday too. We would
like to live further in the country with more land. Our house has more
than doubled in value and we might be able to make the move with such a
tiny mortgage. But my "ideal" would be to keep this house for a couple
years after finding the perfect country place, so I could slowly move
whatever of our plants can be moved to the new place.

We've created a "woodland" trail around our house which takes up just
about everything that "ordinary" people would have kept lawn. Even among
our neighbors I'd say two-thirds think we're wonderfully eccentric and
visit us for tours while walking their dogs, the other third are
lawn-nazis who probably wish our island of trees and shrubs and shade
plants didn't exist (at least one person has registered this opinion to
our faces -- his yard is a combination of concrete and river rocks with
just a couple shrubs).

The idea of just digging half of it up to toss, so that a "nice" evil lawn
would increase the customer base to buy the house, it is just horrible to
ponder. If we ever pursue selling the place we may first TRY it as-planted
to see if some delighted eccentric like ourselves loves the "wilderness"
look of the enclosing garden, but I'd still worry someone would buy it
because it's a great house, and a week later tear out all the plants and
throw them away! So I'd still like some overlap to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced.
Bigger shrubs that don't dig up well, and the trees, will just have to be
left to new owners' choices to keep or cut down.

There have got to be some halfway points though. Sacriaficing just one
side of the house's gardens, takign out enough for one tidy evil lawn
area, that might be enough for most potential buyers to feel they had the
expected lawn, with the other areas around the house becoming a plus for
great gardens rather than a negative for too much planted. Some shrubs at
least could be moved with ease even if they had to be given away.

If you don't have to move instantly it's worth treating the gardens as the
asset ADDING to the value, and not decide too quickly nobody's going to
say oh I love this landscaping, this is the house for me. You could start
with just some limbing up to give an airy open feeling that keeps
prospective buyers from thinking trees take up too much of the space.

-paghat the ratgirl
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Provide paths through it,
perhaps paved with bark chips, decomposed granite, or recycled concrete
(broken up sidewalks) as stepping stones. A bench within the native
plants would be a nice place to sit and listen to birds singing.

A natural garden can be much more attractive than a weed lot. Some even
resemble classic English perennial country gardens.


Great advice! We already have some seating areas in our gardens, and if
ours goes on the market someday, I'll try to remember to keep the bench
areas very tidy to enhance the feeling that it's usable space rather than
used-up space.

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We would like to live further in the country with more land.

to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced.


If you move to a *real* rural woodland setting you won't need to
landscape, you'll have the real deal... any parking out will look
absolutely fake. And unless you first build a sturdy fenced area most
any plant you bring will be devoured by deer (and rabbits).

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
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(paghat) wrote:

We would like to live further in the country with more land.

to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced.


If you move to a *real* rural woodland setting you won't need to
landscape, you'll have the real deal... any parking out will look
absolutely fake. And unless you first build a sturdy fenced area most
any plant you bring will be devoured by deer (and rabbits).



I live in the middle of the city and deer have destroyed over 50% of
what I planted. The deer killed the neighbors fruit trees by peeling
off the bark. I either use the electric fence or cover the plant
with chicken wire. In my case it doesn't look like there is any
difference living in the city or country.
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On Jul 27, 7:08�pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:

(paghat) wrote:


We would like to live further in the country with more land.

to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced.


If you move to a *real* rural woodland setting you won't need to
landscape, you'll have the real deal... any parking out will look
absolutely fake. �And unless you first build a sturdy fenced area most
any plant you bring will be devoured by deer (and rabbits).


I live in the middle of the city and deer have destroyed over 50% of
what I planted. �The deer killed the neighbors fruit trees by peeling
off the bark. � I either use the electric fence or cover the plant
with chicken wire. �In my case it doesn't look like there is any
difference living in the city or country.


In which city do you live that there's a deer population. I doubt
there are deer in most populous cities (to survive deer need many
acres of forest and meadow to browse), sounds more like the outskirts
of a small rural town/village.

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On Jul 27, 7:08?pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:

(paghat) wrote:


We would like to live further in the country with more land.
to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced.


If you move to a *real* rural woodland setting you won't need to
landscape, you'll have the real deal... any parking out will look
absolutely fake. ?And unless you first build a sturdy fenced area most
any plant you bring will be devoured by deer (and rabbits).


I live in the middle of the city and deer have destroyed over 50% of
what I planted. ?The deer killed the neighbors fruit trees by peeling
off the bark. ? I either use the electric fence or cover the plant
with chicken wire. ?In my case it doesn't look like there is any
difference living in the city or country.


In which city do you live that there's a deer population. I doubt
there are deer in most populous cities (to survive deer need many
acres of forest and meadow to browse), sounds more like the outskirts
of a small rural town/village.



Oak Ridge, TN, pop. 28,000. On average one car and one deer collide
daily in our town. We have "mule deer," the ones with the huge ears.
Some will get within a few feet of a human and they have been known to
charge if provoked. Hunting season is too short and not enough people
are eating deer for Thanksgiving.
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On Jul 27, 10:23�pm, Phisherman wrote:
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On Jul 27, 7:08?pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:


(paghat) wrote:


We would like to live further in the country with more land.
to at least move the rhody
collection and whatever ferns and perennials aren't easily replaced..


If you move to a *real* rural woodland setting you won't need to
landscape, you'll have the real deal... any parking out will look
absolutely fake. ?And unless you first build a sturdy fenced area most
any plant you bring will be devoured by deer (and rabbits).


I live in the middle of the city and deer have destroyed over 50% of
what I planted. ?The deer killed the neighbors fruit trees by peeling
off the bark. ? I either use the electric fence or cover the plant
with chicken wire. ?In my case it doesn't look like there is any
difference living in the city or country.


In which city do you live that there's a deer population. �I doubt
there are deer in most populous cities (to survive deer need many
acres of forest and meadow to browse), sounds more like the outskirts
of a small rural town/village.


Oak Ridge, TN, pop. 28,000. �On average one car and one deer collide
daily in our town. � We have "mule deer," the ones with the huge ears.
Some will get within a few feet of a human and they have been known to
charge if provoked. �Hunting season is too short and not enough people
are eating deer for Thanksgiving.


I seriously doubt those deer are wandering about the downtown portion
of your town... I live within a town of only 3,500, but I'm located
almost four miles from the town center, there are plenty of deer where
I live and technically I live in town but one would never know it.
Very occasionally deer will wander within a quarter mile of the
downtown center... and even in the yards of the village homes the
rabbits will wreak havoc on shrubs, perennials, annuals, and vegetable
gardens unless well fenced. When I moved here I brought many of the
plants I had growing in my surburban yard, Within a a week of
planting them here every one was eaten roots and all... I had a nice
hosta collection I brought, deer and rabbits love hosta salad... the
only evergreen they don't seem to eat is spruce, they just love
juniper. I learned the hard way, within a few days those critters ate
all my original landscape plantings. Now unless I'm willing to fence
it I don't plant it.

Yesterday, a typical afternoon scene in my yard:
http://i34.tinypic.com/ngpuab.jpg

Plant it and they will come, don't fence it and they will eat it:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2cmm1aa.jpg
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