No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

That's it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of his political ilk, will,
and take this as a FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.
Already his strongmen are trying to silence the press. Newspapers that
endorsed McCain have been punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose only crime was that he
spoke his mind, IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data bases to try to
discredit poor Joe.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview of what the Commander
and Thief will bring to America.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly deserve the country that
you are going to get. Mark my words.

jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people who
earned it and giving it to people who did NOT
earn it.

That's it.

Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from those
who really do work hard and earn it and give it
to those who don't work hard, don't earn it and
already have plenty of money. The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.

Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence the
press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain have been
punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose
only crime was that he spoke his mind,
IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data
bases to try to discredit poor Joe.

Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not a
crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is a
pathological LIAR. He does not make enough money
to buy the plumbing business he works for and
even if he could, it does not bring in revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know that
if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the business,
Obama's tax plan would put more money in his
pocket to do so.


Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.

Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a friend.


If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.

Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people who
earned it and giving it to people who did NOT
earn it.

That's it.

Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from those
who really do work hard and earn it and give it
to those who don't work hard, don't earn it and
already have plenty of money. The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.

Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence the
press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain have been
punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose
only crime was that he spoke his mind,
IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data
bases to try to discredit poor Joe.

Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not a
crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is a
pathological LIAR. He does not make enough money
to buy the plumbing business he works for and
even if he could, it does not bring in revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know that
if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the business,
Obama's tax plan would put more money in his
pocket to do so.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.

Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a friend.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.

Does any one know if obama has been told what his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution? biden has already shown he does not know
with his comments on Cheney and his participation as the head of the Senate.

Last time that great scribe jgalt chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

You misspelt Paulson.

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700, someone posting as jgalt purportedly
wrote:

horseshit snipped

You really need to **** off and go grow a brain. Best get used to the
sound of "President Obama" unless of course "you love the terrorists more
than you love America". Yes this kind of negative talk about the
President could certainly be of interest to Mr. Bush's Homeland Security
people. I'd be minding my manners if I were you.

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Keith nuttle wrote:

Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people
who earned it and giving it to people who did
NOT earn it.

That's it.

Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from
those who really do work hard and earn it and
give it to those who don't work hard, don't
earn it and already have plenty of money. The
progressive tax system has been the law of the
land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.

Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence
the press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain
have been punished by being removed from the
Obama campaign plane. Poor old Joe the
Plumber, whose only crime was that he spoke
his mind, IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the
Obama attack machine, which ILLEGALLY used
government data bases to try to discredit poor
Joe.

Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed
such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not
a crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is
a pathological LIAR. He does not make enough
money to buy the plumbing business he works for
and even if he could, it does not bring in
revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know
that if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the
business, Obama's tax plan would put more money
in his pocket to do so.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.

Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a
friend.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.

Does any one know if obama has been told what
his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution? biden has already
shown he does not know with his comments on
Cheney and his participation as the head of the
Senate.

I think you are confusing Sarah with Biden. Sarah
CLEARLY has shown she has absolutely NO idea of
the role of Vice President, especially in
relationship with the Senate.

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700 (PDT), jgalt
wrote:

... Poor old Joe the Plumber....

If a guy who only loses out tax wise, if he makes more than a quarter
mill every year, is a "poor old Joe"; can I be a "poor ol' Brian".
Please?
Please?
:-)

Brian W

jgalt wrote:
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.


What? You mean like McCain wanted to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM

And don't forget Sarah Palin "spreading the wealth"

..

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:10:26 -0400, Keith nuttle
wrote:

...
Does any one know if obama has been told what his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution?

Geez! I'm an independent, and I could vote either way, but idjits who
don't know that Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at Chicago
(fer Criss sake!), ought to realise there is no president for the last
140 years who knows MORE about consititutional law than he does.

Oh hell. Dumb rednecks cluster in the Republican wing. That's it: I'm
voting Dem.

Brian W

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700 in
, jgalt
wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama


yawn



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"jgalt" wrote in message
...
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

This is not appropriate for this newsgroup. However, it does bring up a
question regarding the perspective of those that do not pay taxes. I'm
trying to find out exactly what that phrase means when used in political
campaigns and such. I take it it means that such receive some form of
public assistance in regards to income, and, it also means a wage earner
received all his/her taxes paid thoughout the year via an income tax return
check per their filed income tax return.

My perspective: I'm in my mid 50s regarding age. I've worked since I was
16 part-time, then full-time since I was 19. I was in the U.S. military for
20 years, then, went back to working a regular job. My income has always
been less than the middle of the middle income bracket except for 2 years of
my life. One year, my current ex-wife, and one child and I were considered
borderline poverty level, with that one exception where I did not pay any
taxes as I received all taxes paid via my employer via income tax return
check. I've paid into the U.S. Treasury without full return of all my via
employer paid taxes otherwise.

My feeling is that the vast majority of working folks, like myself, do end
up paying federal income taxes as a net result after the income tax return
is filed.

Further, I feel that most folks don't know about their neighbors and folks
like them and who, in the final net analysis actually pay Federal income
tax. Especially those trying to compare folks in widely varied tax
brackets. They assume incorrectly. As a result, there's breeding ground
for dividing people and using those invalid assumptions as motive for
political gain by fostering those notions. There's a variety of notions in
this formula that are really just false assumptions. Lower income working
folks (all 3 subgroups inclusive in these) dont pay Federal income taxes in
the final, net analysis is one of them. Another notion on the lower income
group's perspective is the higher income group has full Federal income tax
payment prevention by way of tax law. Such is a notion taken advantage of
by the opposing polical party. The people in the middle, middle income
taxpayers who are also voters, are asked to determine, by their own notions,
which perspective is correct (if both correct, which is most correct) for
that particular election cycle.

My perspective is that a person needs hard data to make such determination
of who is actually paying taxes, and if so, how much. I don't see why the
IRS, by gross ncome level brackets vs. taxes actually paid, with a line item
noting percentage of income actually taxes paid, can't produce figures for a
basis of a logical decision of which notion is actually most correct. And a
concurrent table showing how that's changed over the years noting the U.S.
governemt designated poverty level in a given tax year for each year that
table is provided for year to year comparison's sake. Nope, ain't gonna
happen. Did you ever wonder why?
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do
not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry
about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively
uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's
propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of
course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me.
Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the
morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the
rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do
not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates,
you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the
general population.

Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free
lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come
from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that
there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they
may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already
in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If
you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit
card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in
debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in
the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly.
Steve


"

Steve Lusardi wrote:
I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do
not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry
about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively
uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's
propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of
course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me.
Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the
morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the
rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do
not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates,
you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the
general population.

Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free
lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come
from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that
there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they
may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already
in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If
you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit
card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in
debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in
the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly.
Steve

I agree. However, there's one problem with that:

The American politick is a "first passed the post, winner takes all"
system, which pretty much guarantees a two-party system. As such, and
because political advertising is NOT free, it also guarantees that only
the richest candidates can even make it TO that "post".

However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of contributors.
He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote
for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that
this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):

I am voting for Barack Obama on November 4.


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"wordsmith" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700, someone posting as jgalt purportedly
wrote:

horseshit snipped

You really need to **** off and go grow a brain.

I'd betcha that's not going to happen soon.

This thread was started by a stealth Obama supporter who wants us to
believe anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his own
shoes.

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