On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:22:19 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Wish you would replace the B with an M.

Bill

To please you, who seems full of BM?

Go on, smartass, disprove anything I posted, if you think you're so
frikkin' smart. If you can't, then who's a moron, eh? I am posting
facts here, not your sort of drivel opinion.

Boron

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron

Honey lamb , sweetie strange in deed.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

John McGaw wrote:
MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to
do something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you




Commercial flea and tick pet collars? Although I still don't know how
one gets collars on the wee beasties...

The ticks or the children?

D

David Hare-Scott wrote:
John McGaw wrote:
MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to
do something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you




Commercial flea and tick pet collars? Although I still don't know how
one gets collars on the wee beasties...

The ticks or the children?

D

Is there a major difference? Small, frequently irritating, notorious
disease vectors...

On Jun 11, 4:49*pm, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters





wrote:
In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. *If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. *And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. *You will die in time but *most likely *
of boredom.

What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. *They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. *And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, *it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

*Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? *There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron- Hide quoted text -

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Your advice is sound.
I once had a bullseye rash but doctor said it was a chigger bite in a
rash area caused by something else
He prescribed antibiotic as well as a Lymes test. When I asked him
why the test and antibiotic since he was sure it was a chigger, he
just said that's the way they do it. Guess it was legal protection
for him.

"Mike" wrote in message
...
DEET is a horrible chemical, I'd rather have the ticks than that
crap. Don't use it on a kid, and if you do insist, put it on your
clothes, and not your skin.

Check yourself when you come in. I've had rocky mountain spotted
fever, and as long as you treat it within 2 weeks with antibiotics the
fatality rate is 3%. If untreated, it's more like 30%.

The poster that said half the ticks carry bacteria is wrong. It's 1%,
actually, and North Carolina is the top state for it (that's where I
live). I get bitten by at least 1 tick a year (and have since I was
old enough to play in the woods), and the first/only time I've gotten
sick was when I was 30.

If you get bitten by a tick, or if you have flu-like symptoms during
tick season, go to your doctor, and they can do a blood test. If they
know what they are doing, they will start you on antibiotics right
away, and cancel it if the test comes back negative. A rash is common
if you get infected, but you can get sick and not have a rash.

Educate yourself, and don't make the kid paranoid about something so
rare, there are better things to give him a complex about.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/s...s/sub_lyme.htm

So is DEET so "horrible" that it's better to get rocky mountain spotted
fever or any other deadly disease carried by ticks and mosquitoes?

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the health effects of DEET:
"As a precaution, manufacturers advise that DEET products should not be used
under clothing or on damaged skin, and that preparations be washed off after
they are no longer needed or between applications.[8] DEET can act as an
irritant;[1] in rare cases, it may cause skin reactions.

In the DEET Reregistration Eligibility Decision (RED), the United States
Environmental Protection Agency? (EPA) reported 14 to 46 cases of potential
DEET-associated seizures, including 4 deaths. The EPA states: "... it does
appear that some cases are likely related to DEET toxicity," but observed
that with 30% of the US population using DEET, the likely seizure rate is
only about one per 100 million users.

The Pesticide Information Project of Cooperative Extension Offices of
Cornell University states that "Everglades National Park employees having
extensive Deet exposure were more likely to have insomnia, mood disturbances
and impaired cognitive function than were lesser exposed co-workers".

The American Academy of Pediatrics found no difference in safety for
children, between products containing 10% and 30% DEET, when used as
directed, but recommends that DEET not be used on infants less than two
months old."

Using your statistics, 1 in 100 ticks carry carry the rocky mountain spotted
fever bacteria. And if bitten I have a 3% chance of dying if treated, 30 %
of not treated, plus there's Lyme disease, West Nile virus, malaria, yellow
fever and many other tick and mosquito-borne diseases to be concerned about.
I think I'd chose the 1 in 100 million chance of having a seizure if I use
DEET than what appears to be a much higher chance of dying from not using
it, when I know I'm going to be exposed to lots of ticks and mosquitoes.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:57:12 GMT, "Compostman"
wrote:


"Mike" wrote in message
...
DEET is a horrible chemical, I'd rather have the ticks than that
crap. Don't use it on a kid, and if you do insist, put it on your
clothes, and not your skin.

Check yourself when you come in. I've had rocky mountain spotted
fever, and as long as you treat it within 2 weeks with antibiotics the
fatality rate is 3%. If untreated, it's more like 30%.

The poster that said half the ticks carry bacteria is wrong. It's 1%,
actually, and North Carolina is the top state for it (that's where I
live). I get bitten by at least 1 tick a year (and have since I was
old enough to play in the woods), and the first/only time I've gotten
sick was when I was 30.

If you get bitten by a tick, or if you have flu-like symptoms during
tick season, go to your doctor, and they can do a blood test. If they
know what they are doing, they will start you on antibiotics right
away, and cancel it if the test comes back negative. A rash is common
if you get infected, but you can get sick and not have a rash.

Educate yourself, and don't make the kid paranoid about something so
rare, there are better things to give him a complex about.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/s...s/sub_lyme.htm

So is DEET so "horrible" that it's better to get rocky mountain spotted
fever or any other deadly disease carried by ticks and mosquitoes?

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the health effects of DEET:
"As a precaution, manufacturers advise that DEET products should not be used
under clothing or on damaged skin, and that preparations be washed off after
they are no longer needed or between applications.[8] DEET can act as an
irritant;[1] in rare cases, it may cause skin reactions.

In the DEET Reregistration Eligibility Decision (RED), the United States
Environmental Protection Agency? (EPA) reported 14 to 46 cases of potential
DEET-associated seizures, including 4 deaths. The EPA states: "... it does
appear that some cases are likely related to DEET toxicity," but observed
that with 30% of the US population using DEET, the likely seizure rate is
only about one per 100 million users.

The Pesticide Information Project of Cooperative Extension Offices of
Cornell University states that "Everglades National Park employees having
extensive Deet exposure were more likely to have insomnia, mood disturbances
and impaired cognitive function than were lesser exposed co-workers".

The American Academy of Pediatrics found no difference in safety for
children, between products containing 10% and 30% DEET, when used as
directed, but recommends that DEET not be used on infants less than two
months old."

Using your statistics, 1 in 100 ticks carry carry the rocky mountain spotted
fever bacteria. And if bitten I have a 3% chance of dying if treated, 30 %
of not treated, plus there's Lyme disease, West Nile virus, malaria, yellow
fever and many other tick and mosquito-borne diseases to be concerned about.
I think I'd chose the 1 in 100 million chance of having a seizure if I use
DEET than what appears to be a much higher chance of dying from not using
it, when I know I'm going to be exposed to lots of ticks and mosquitoes.



I use DEET everyday when temperatures are above 80. It really helps
reduce the number of chiggers and ticks. I tried dusting sulphur on
my clothes--that works too but you got to wash those clothes
separately.

It isnt just the infection, it is the sequelae afterwards that is miserable from both
Lymes and West Nile Virus. I made myself a "tick suit" from ripstop nylon to keep
the ticks off when I was out in the woods some 30 years ago. Never had one attach
but I sure could hear them drop and slide.

Actually, there is a lot you can do to the backyard to cut down on ticks and
mosquitoes. The mosquito "magnet" works very well if they are started before the
first hatch. And keeping the grass cut short deters ticks. Keeping the mice and
other wild animals out of the yard is very helpful. Toss a couple moth balls into a
shop vac, drag the back yard with a cloth and the ticks hop on, put the cloth into
the shop vac and plug the hole so the moth balls kills the ticks. Or, put some
bleach water in there with a little soap to cut the surface tension.

Ingrid

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:57:12 GMT, "Compostman"
wrote:
I think I'd chose the 1 in 100 million chance of having a seizure if I use
DEET than what appears to be a much higher chance of dying from not using
it, when I know I'm going to be exposed to lots of ticks and mosquitoes.

Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago

Not everyone gets the bulls eye pattern or any rash.
There are quit a few false negatives with the test.
At least in dogs one of the first symptoms is painful joints.
It is much better to treat any tick bite like an infection.
Ingrid

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:32:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank wrote:
Your advice is sound.
I once had a bullseye rash but doctor said it was a chigger bite in a
rash area caused by something else
He prescribed antibiotic as well as a Lymes test. When I asked him
why the test and antibiotic since he was sure it was a chigger, he
just said that's the way they do it. Guess it was legal protection
for him.
Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago

My tick bite was ~12yrs ago. I vacationed in Northern Minnesota for a
week. A couple days after I was home again I turned just right in the
mirror after a shower and noticed a big red circle about 3inches across.
Would you believe I thought it was a burn from a heating pad?! I feel
stupid now but bullseye to me is rings like in darts or archery. This
was round, red like sunburn, had spider vein streaks going outward from
a teeny tiny centered ulcer with a pus cap on it. I remember I scraped
off the pus cap and used peroxide on it. Years later thanks to Google
Images I realized what it really was. I already knew before I asked the
dr about it that they roll their eyes about tick bites. But they
dutifully tested, test came back inconclusive, it was forwarded to a
state lab, and I never heard from anyone again.
I love Northern Minnesota-why is it that every Eden has a Serpent?!

On Jun 10, 12:20*pm, MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you

--
MadKad

i just stumbled on this. it seems pretty good. it's 84 pages!
http://www.ct.gov/caes/lib/caes/docu...tins/b1010.pdf

On Jun 10, 11:20*am, MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you

--
MadKad

I don't know how to get rid of them permanently, but if you roll
around naked in the garden for a while you'll probably find most of
them.

Insecticide works to a certain extent. Hidden in your sock trousers is good. You get someone to check over in the shower as well. And dogs (and a tick collar) I checked them every night methods finger ticks crawling season. Works too many people.