Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100% sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:20:51 +0100, MadKad
wrote:


Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you


I got several tick bites. The ticks come from the deer. DEET helps,
but you still need to get naked in front of a mirror and look for any
strange dots. Some ticks are very tiny but get bigger as they fill
with blood. I remove them by slowly pulling them out, then apply
hydrocortizone until the itching stops. It helps to keep the garden
as tidy as possible too. Some birds enjoy eating ticks.

MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you




Look for garden sprays effective against ticks. Use DEET and long
clothing, tight fitting around hands and feet. Most important to me is
taking a shower afterwards or at least once a day. I spend a lot of
time in the woods in the fall hunting and have seen deer ticks on my
clothes. Lots of my friends have contacted Lymes disease but not me.
Study here a couple of years ago showed practically all deer to have
deer ticks and maybe half the ticks carried Lymes disease. Deer ticks
are said to feed and drop off and most the time you do not even know it.
Often bullseye rash is a sign of Lymes disease. Don't think its carried
by the much larger dog ticks.

Frank wrote in
:

Look for garden sprays effective against ticks. Use DEET and
long clothing, tight fitting around hands and feet.

DEET should NOT be used on children. a DEET free insect repellent
should help, but keeping the grass short & the child away from shrubs
& tall plants (where ticks are likely to hang out) is usually
sufficient. there's no reason to keep a child out of the garden
because you found a bug.
if you have cats or dogs, get them on a spot treatment for fleas &
ticks, like Advantage or Frontline. you might get chickens. they eat
ticks.

Often bullseye rash is a sign of Lymes disease. Don't think its
carried by the much larger dog ticks.

all tick species can carry Lyme disease. only a third of the cases
get the "characteristic" bull's eye rash (and spreading rashes could
have another cause. my son got cellulitis from a deerfly bite last
summer).
lee

MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you

Insect repellant works to some extent. Long trousers tucked in your socks
is good. Getting somebody to check you all over in the shower is better.
With dogs (as well as a tick collar) I check them each night by the
finger-crawl method in tick season. Works for people too. :-)

David

On Jun 10, 12:20*pm, MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you

--
MadKad

ticks are really tough and hard to kill, even in a house where you can
fog the place up good. outside, liek the guy says, deet repellant,
long sleeves and pant legs, tuck them into your socks, etc. what a
pain. then tick checks once you get inside, they wander around a while
looking for a good place before they plug in. they like armpits,
groins, etc. the problem is that the big ones are dog ticks, easy to
see and don't carry many diseases. the little ones like the size of a
period are deer ticks, carry lots of nasty diseases. besides lyme
disease, which was once local to lyme, CT, you got your rocky mountain
spotted fever, babesiosis, tularemia, etc.

and like the guy says, deet isn't the most benign of chemicals. for
one thing, it's one of those universal solvents, it doesn't just stay
on your skin, it penetrates tissue very efficiently, and can carry
other chemicals with it.

anyway, besides deer, note that deer tick are carried by mice, voles,
etc. and probably small birds for the earlier part of their life, so
keeping them guys out of the lawn isn't a bad idea; move woodpiles
away from near the house, eliminate other little hidey holes, let the
cats have the run of the yard at night. of course, then the cats carry
toxiplasmosis..... face it, nature just sees us as food for
microorganisms.

MadKad wrote:
Hi

I was in my garden the other day and come across a tick, I was 100%
sure it was a tick and when I checked online I was 110% sure lol

But now its put my g/f off letting our son in our garden, I need to do
something that will kill any bugs like that etc.

does any one know what I can do?

Thank you




Commercial flea and tick pet collars? Although I still don't know how one
gets collars on the wee beasties...

--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:32:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:

Frank wrote in
:

Look for garden sprays effective against ticks. Use DEET and
long clothing, tight fitting around hands and feet.

DEET should NOT be used on children. a DEET free insect repellent
should help, but keeping the grass short & the child away from shrubs
& tall plants (where ticks are likely to hang out) is usually
sufficient. there's no reason to keep a child out of the garden
because you found a bug.

Ticks are prevalent on short grass, too, or can be carried into the
house by dogs and cats, even treated ones. Ask me how I know.

And since not only deer and mice, but chipmunks and shrews can carry
Lyme, it always pays to be cautious in any are where Lyme is known to
be a factor (or any other tick-borne disease, as a matter of fact).

The best preventive of complications, since nothing is 100% effective
at preventing tick bites, is to do a thorough body check after the
child or adult comes in from the yard or outdoor activity.


if you have cats or dogs, get them on a spot treatment for fleas &
ticks, like Advantage or Frontline. you might get chickens. they eat
ticks.

Often bullseye rash is a sign of Lymes disease. Don't think its
carried by the much larger dog ticks.

all tick species can carry Lyme disease.

This is not true. Dog ticks do not carry Lyme. And some types of
ticks can carry, but are not documented as being able to transmit.

http://www.path.sunysb.edu/labsvs/tickpics/TICKpic.htm

only a third of the cases
get the "characteristic" bull's eye rash (and spreading rashes could
have another cause. my son got cellulitis from a deerfly bite last
summer).
lee

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

DEET is a horrible chemical, I'd rather have the ticks than that
crap. Don't use it on a kid, and if you do insist, put it on your
clothes, and not your skin.

Check yourself when you come in. I've had rocky mountain spotted
fever, and as long as you treat it within 2 weeks with antibiotics the
fatality rate is 3%. If untreated, it's more like 30%.

The poster that said half the ticks carry bacteria is wrong. It's 1%,
actually, and North Carolina is the top state for it (that's where I
live). I get bitten by at least 1 tick a year (and have since I was
old enough to play in the woods), and the first/only time I've gotten
sick was when I was 30.

If you get bitten by a tick, or if you have flu-like symptoms during
tick season, go to your doctor, and they can do a blood test. If they
know what they are doing, they will start you on antibiotics right
away, and cancel it if the test comes back negative. A rash is common
if you get infected, but you can get sick and not have a rash.

Educate yourself, and don't make the kid paranoid about something so
rare, there are better things to give him a complex about.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/s...s/sub_lyme.htm

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

: Crit Care Nurs Clin North Am. 2007 Mar;19(1):27-38.
Links

Rickettsial and other tick-borne infections.
Flicek BF.
Internal Medicine of Newton County, 4181 Hospital Drive NE, Suite 404,
Covington, GA 30014, USA.

Tick bites are best prevented by people avoiding tick-infested areas.

When this is not possible, tick bites may be prevented by the wearing
of long trousers that are tucked into boots. The best method to avoid
tick bites is twofold: application of a topical deet
(N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide) repellent to exposed skin, and treatment of
clothing with permethrin. This system is currently used by the US Army
to protect soldiers. Ticks can crawl underneath clothing and bite
untreated portions of the body; therefore, treating clothing is
imperative. Permethrin is nontoxic to humans, and can be used in any age
group. Permethrin is commercially available. Checking clothing regularly
while in tick-infested areas is highly recommended to back up the few
hours of protection provided by the insect repellents. It is also
recommended that the entire body be carefully screened for ticks and
other parasites by campers and hunters while they are staying in and
after leaving infested areas. Any tick found should be removed
immediately. Removing ticks may not be easy. It is best to use blunt,
rounded forceps, and a magnifying glass to remove ticks, especially when
immature ticks are found. The forceps are used to grasp the mouthparts
of the tick as close as possible to the skin, and then the tick is
pulled upward, perpendicular to the skin, with a continuous and steady
action. Usually any mouth parts of the tick retained in the skin are
eliminated uneventfully by the body. Other methods of removing ticks,
such as using fingers, lighted cigarettes, petroleum jelly, or suntan
oil, should be avoided. Killing the tick in situ may increase the risk
of regurgitation by the tick and the transmission of infectious agents.
Most stick bites are uncomplicated, and result only in benign cutaneous
inflammatory reactions that may be pruritic for a few days. As a result
of mouthparts being retained at the feeding site, a granuloma may rarely
develop. There are no data to indicate that antimicrobial prophylaxsis
is beneficial to the tick-bitten patient to prevent disease. It must be
kept in mind that the risk of transmission of disease increases with the
duration of attachment and generally requires greater than 24 to 48
hours. The degree of tick engorgement or the time since tick exposure
and discovery of the tick may be used to establish the likely duration
of attachment and the risk of disease transmission. Reducing and
controlling tick populations is difficult. Habitat modifications,
including vegetation management by cutting, burning, and herbicide
treatment, and drainage of wet areas are one strategy for tick control,
but their effects are often short-lived, and they can cause severe
ecologic damage. Chemicals used to control ticks may cause environmental
contamination, and therefore, toxicity for humans and animals. Biologic
control methods for ticks include the promotion of natural predators.
Natural predators of ticks are beetles, spiders, and ants, and parasites
such as insects, mites and nematodes. Tick control is best based on the
concept of integrated pest management, in which different control
methods are adapted to one area or against one tick species with due
consideration to their environmental effects. Tick-borne diseases are
increasing in prevalence. Perhaps it is because people are undertaking
more outdoor activities, which result in contact with ticks and their
pathogens. Clinicians should be aware of the clinical sign of
tick-transmitted diseases, because morbidity and mortality as a result
of these diseases increases substantially if there are delays in
diagnosis and treatment. Tick-borne illness occur in distinctive
geographic areas. The reporting of these illnesses and diseases to the
health department enables the gathering of information and statistics.
The public should be informed about the risks of disease in
tick-infested areas and the means of preventing infections. The most
common diseases are caused by Rickettsia, Borrelia, and Ehrichia, but
with continued study, new pathogens and diseases will continue to emerge.
PMID: 17338947 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


............
Bill who has had 4 deer tick and 6 regular ticks so far this spring.
Sucks but I dislike chiggers more. Spouse had Lymes in about 1975 before
it was named. Bell's palsy ...nasty.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

On Jun 11, 10:12*am, Mike wrote:
DEET is a horrible chemical, I'd rather have the ticks than that
crap. *Don't use it on a kid, and if you do insist, put it on your
clothes, and not your skin.

Check yourself when you come in. *I've had rocky mountain spotted
fever, and as long as you treat it within 2 weeks with antibiotics the
fatality rate is 3%. *If untreated, it's more like 30%.

The poster that said half the ticks carry bacteria is wrong. *It's 1%,
actually, and North Carolina is the top state for it (that's where I
live). *I get bitten by at least 1 tick a year (and have since I was
old enough to play in the woods), and the first/only time I've gotten
sick was when I was 30.

If you get bitten by a tick, or if you have flu-like symptoms during
tick season, go to your doctor, and they can do a blood test. *If they
know what they are doing, they will start you on antibiotics right
away, and cancel it if the test comes back negative. *A rash is common
if you get infected, but you can get sick and not have a rash.

Educate yourself, and don't make the kid paranoid about something so
rare, there are better things to give him a complex about.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/s...s/sub_lyme.htm

I don't think I'm wrong but could not find the study done a few years
ago but did find this good site:

http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dph/epi/lyme.html

NC is a nasty state and I know of two people contacting Rocky Mountain
spotted fever there.

Combine this with a poisonous snakes like copperheads, it's dangerous
to go outdoors there

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


Sweetie-pie

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Wish you would replace the B with an M.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens