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Herbs and Deer
Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden?
MJ |
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mjciccarel wrote:
Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. |
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brooklyn1 writes:
mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. |
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wrote in message ... brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. 6 ft is not high enough, they can clear that flat footed. |
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On Jan 23, 10:31*am, "D. Staples" wrote:
wrote in ... brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. *If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. *Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. 6 ft is not high enough, they can clear that flat footed. Yes, yes, yes my electric fence works great for my raised vegetable gardens but I was hoping for something a little more attractive for my rose garden. I too have tried everything else so I guess I will have to fire up more juice. MJ |
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On Jan 23, 8:52*am, mj wrote:
Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? MJ There are things they don't eat but nothing I know of will keep them away from the stuff they like. As others suggest, fence is the only answer and avoid repellents as if they even work they wash off eventually. Only vegetable in my garden deer did not eat was onions. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:59:44 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote: On Jan 23, 8:52*am, mj wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? MJ There are things they don't eat but nothing I know of will keep them away from the stuff they like. As others suggest, fence is the only answer and avoid repellents as if they even work they wash off eventually. Only vegetable in my garden deer did not eat was onions. Right, deer won't eat alliums, they won't eat daffodils either. There are many plants that they won't touch unless they're starving, like spruce (spruce needles are too sharp, they won't risk nibbling hawthorn either) but when hungry enough they will eat sharp needled and thorny plants. And for some reason deer won't eat blueberry bushes but they will eat the berries, if the birds don't get them first... I've seen crows take on deer for blueberries and win every time. The only thing that works to keep deer out is strong fencing, deer will push through a wood picket fence that's only been nailed. As to fence height, a lot depends on terrain, unless there is space and the ground is such for deer to get into a full run they are not going to clear a six foot fence... and deer aren't stupid, they are not going to jump a fence into an enclosed space that is too small, they know how much running space they need to get out, they truly look before they leap. Deer can leap a great distance but they can't attain the height some like to think they can. When it comes to survival deer sensory perception is far more acute then humans... a deer knows it's physical capability better than any olympic/professional athlete ever lived. A fawn is taught to run, leap, dodge and evade from the moment it can stand. I've watched new born fawns go through their paces together for hours, it only looks like frolicking to humans but their every movement is deadly serious business, to deer it's the difference between life and death. Unless they are being persued by a pack of coyotes a six foot fence will definitely keep deer out of a typical tract home yard, and if being persued by preditors deer are not going to stop to snack. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:21 -0500, brooklyn1
wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:06:05 -0500, wrote: brooklyn1 writes: I truly hope you didn't set your wooden posts in concrete (sure looks like you did), the concrete will hold water in the posts and they will rot within less than half the time they would have set directly into the ground... you can set metal posts in concrete but never wood (if you're conce. . . . Also if you live where the ground freezes wooden posts set into concrete are much more prone to heave. ..... Who advised you to set your nice wooden posts in concrete? I don't know where you got your information about wooden posts, but what you say and what actually happens are two different things. I have been using wooden post set in concrete for y e a r s (at least 45) and none of the things you mentioned ever happened. If yours are heaving from frost, you probably did not set them correctly. You know, I hope, that you set the concrete below the surface level of the ground so they don't heave. Glenn Lynn |
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On 1/23/2010 1:17 PM, brooklyn1 wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:59:44 -0800 (PST), Frank wrote: On Jan 23, 8:52 am, wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? MJ There are things they don't eat but nothing I know of will keep them away from the stuff they like. As others suggest, fence is the only answer and avoid repellents as if they even work they wash off eventually. Only vegetable in my garden deer did not eat was onions. Right, deer won't eat alliums, they won't eat daffodils either. There are many plants that they won't touch unless they're starving, like spruce (spruce needles are too sharp, they won't risk nibbling hawthorn either) but when hungry enough they will eat sharp needled and thorny plants. And for some reason deer won't eat blueberry bushes but they will eat the berries, if the birds don't get them first... I've seen crows take on deer for blueberries and win every time. The only thing that works to keep deer out is strong fencing, deer will push through a wood picket fence that's only been nailed. As to fence height, a lot depends on terrain, unless there is space and the ground is such for deer to get into a full run they are not going to clear a six foot fence... and deer aren't stupid, they are not going to jump a fence into an enclosed space that is too small, they know how much running space they need to get out, they truly look before they leap. Deer can leap a great distance but they can't attain the height some like to think they can. When it comes to survival deer sensory perception is far more acute then humans... a deer knows it's physical capability better than any olympic/professional athlete ever lived. A fawn is taught to run, leap, dodge and evade from the moment it can stand. I've watched new born fawns go through their paces together for hours, it only looks like frolicking to humans but their every movement is deadly serious business, to deer it's the difference between life and death. Unless they are being persued by a pack of coyotes a six foot fence will definitely keep deer out of a typical tract home yard, and if being persued by preditors deer are not going to stop to snack. Netting works well too around some plants and bushes. They are generally browsers and nibble here and there and move on. Little things may deter them but when starving they will eat anything and die with a full stomach of food that would not sustain them. They will even climb steps to eat something on your porch. |
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Glenn Lynn wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:21 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:06:05 -0500, wrote: brooklyn1 writes: I truly hope you didn't set your wooden posts in concrete (sure looks like you did), the concrete will hold water in the posts and they will rot within less than half the time they would have set directly into the ground... you can set metal posts in concrete but never wood (if you're conce. . . . Also if you live where the ground freezes wooden posts set into concrete are much more prone to heave. ..... Who advised you to set your nice wooden posts in concrete? I don't know where you got your information about wooden posts, but what you say and what actually happens are two different things. I have been using wooden post set in concrete for y e a r s (at least 45) and none of the things you mentioned ever happened. If yours are heaving from frost, you probably did not set them correctly. You know, I hope, that you set the concrete below the surface level of the ground so they don't heave. Glenn Lynn that's true. i set my treated wood posts into concrete and they still seem fine after about 7 years now. there is no sign that they are deteriorating yet. i also set the concrete a little bit above ground to keep water from collecting around the post. but since i am in zone 7b, i don't have to worry much about heaving. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message from contains these words: brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. Your hopes are higher than the fence; get a higher fence and remember tall the gates have to be the same height (and kept shut). Janet it might be too late to get another fence now. one thing you could do it to add about 2 more feet of net fence on top of the wooden fence. the net fence is nearly invisible but the posts supporting it might be unsightly. you can use thin metal/iron rods as posts to support the net fence. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:52:40 -0800 (PST), mj
wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? MJ My roses are not eaten, perhaps being surrounded with garlic helps. You'll need more than an herb to deter hungry deer--electric fence works well for me. |
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"D. Staples" writes:
wrote in message ... brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. 6 ft is not high enough, they can clear that flat footed. I know, I read 10ft is what's required. I'm hoping the dense vegetation on both sides of the fence will help. In places where there is a clear landing zone now I plan to add plantings or other obstacles. Most of the deer I see around here are accompanied by fawns. I hope the fawns can't jump the 6 feet high. If the town allowed 10 foot fences, I would have built one. |
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brooklyn1 writes:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:06:05 -0500, wrote: brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. That's a nice looking fence. Thanks. I like it too. You could have gotten a bit more height by raising the sections another 6" off the ground, deer wouldn't fit underneath and they don't dig. The town says 6 feet is max without variance. I don't think I would have gotten a variance. But most importantly having more space underneath would facilitate mowing/string trimming... I learned that the hard way by placing my fencing too close to the ground and then having to reset it or live with weeds. I don't have anywhere the fence meets the lawn. The only thing growing up to the fence are the pacasandra. Much of the back yard is pretty dark, nothing grows. The few weeds I have to pull any way. I truly hope you didn't set your wooden posts in concrete (sure looks like you did), the concrete will hold water in the posts and they will rot within less than half the time they would have set directly into the ground... you can set metal posts in concrete but never wood (if you're concerned with wind simply use larger posts, the next size doesn't cost much more... and you wont need to dig nearly the diameter hole as for concrete), and occasionally a wooden post will prematurely rot in the ground (could be a fault in the lumber), you want to be able to jack it out easily to replace it, can't do that with concrete. Also if you live where the ground freezes wooden posts set into concrete are much more prone to heave. Next time you want to build a wooden gate check out the various metal gate kits... makes for a far sturdier gate and a lot easier to build. Typically wooden gate posts are 6" X 6"... wooden fence corner posts are 5" X 5". Who advised you to set your nice wooden posts in concrete? My idea. The entire fence and gate are pressure treated. The 4x4 posts are specially treated for being in cement like that. I think I'm down deep enough to avoid frost heaving. There is gravel under each post and the concrete slopes away from the post. The fence is going thru it's first winter but the gate has seen a few winters and hasn't moved. So I hope I'm okay. I installed one 12 foot section of a vinyl fence and gate on the other side of the house. It's nice but I decided I'd rather look at wood than vinyl. |
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Naga Jolokia writes:
Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from contains these words: brooklyn1 writes: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. Yep, I agree completely. Absolutely the only thing that has a chance of working. I've tried everything else. If read the deer don't like this, they don't like that. Well, the truth is, they may not like some kinds of plants, but they'll eat them anyway. Last year I put up a 6 foot high fence: http://mysite.verizon.net/despen/fence/ I have high hopes for this working. Your hopes are higher than the fence; get a higher fence and remember tall the gates have to be the same height (and kept shut). Janet it might be too late to get another fence now. one thing you could do it to add about 2 more feet of net fence on top of the wooden fence. the net fence is nearly invisible but the posts supporting it might be unsightly. you can use thin metal/iron rods as posts to support the net fence. That's plan B. Well, by now, probably plan J or K... I think the neighbors might complain if they have to look at it but in the summer we get enough vegatation that they won't see it. I can put the netting up and take it down as needed. |
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Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden?
MJ Instead of herbs, get a motion detector that barks like it's going for the kill whenever something (deer)crosses its path. One will work but two will work even better. DEM |
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brooklyn1 wrote in
: mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. a really high one lee |
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I don't know about herbs but a friend of mine has a large apple orchard and he goes to the barber shop and gets human hair to put around in his orchard to repel deer. He also has a big dog that runs lose so I would imagine that's also a help. Rich |
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enigma wrote: brooklyn1 wrote in : mjciccarel wrote: Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? Yes... plant a fence. a really high one lee I was thinking a 4 foot fence with a few dogs. Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/757.html What is Global Dimming?? Less light more shade world wide food implications Reduction of Vitamin D too? |
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enigma wrote: Bill who putters wrote in news:b2forewagner- : I was thinking a 4 foot fence with a few dogs. well, then you have dogs in the garden. that's not ideal either. my dogs like to dig nice cool pits to nap in, for instance, & they never look at plant labels... and it depends on the dog. my Malamute (a breed known for it's strong prey drive) only chases coyotes. he'll sit and watch the squirrels eating at the feeders in his yard. they can be a foot from his nose & he just watches. when he's loose in the pasture, he runs down to the llamas, stands there for a minute, then totally ignores them (but then, dogs do learn that sometimes weird other creatures are part of their pack). he is afraid of the goats. i suspect deer fall into the "looks like a llama, ignore it" catagory by association though. Kirby is too old to chase anything, Scout is like Chief in not chasing other animals (he's never even chased the chickens). my son's Boston Terrier, OTOH, might... she's not allowed loose in the pasture because she does annoy the llamas, & she *will* get herself stomped one of these days. fearless is bad when combined with brainless. dumbest dog i've ever met (& i thought Kirby was dumb when we adopted him. he's a genius compared to Peanut!) lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bli-3_tVU2M Bill Guess only good for pigmy deer. -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/757.html What is Global Dimming?? Less light more shade world wide food implications Reduction of Vitamin D too? |
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On Jan 23, 5:52*am, mj wrote:
Are there Herbs that will deter Deer from the garden? MJ Ok, without a doubt, a tall, sturdy fence is most effective, but if a fence doesn't work well into a landscaping plan there are herbs that can help deter the megamunchers. We bought a large rural property that came with a herd of deer who bed down in the woods directly behind the house. The first year we were here we thought they were charming...then they ate their way through a few hundred dollars worth of perennials & annuals I'd lovingly added to the front yard. Everyone's deer are different, but over time I've discovered that if I surround most of my flowering plants with Rosemary, Lavender and creeping Lime Thyme, the deer leave them alone. Think big - larger herbs will exude more deer repelling scent while providing wonderful contrast to vulnerable specimens. Exceptions are roses and tulips - deer candy. I also learned to lean heavily on annuals like marigolds and zinnias which my deer ignore completely. Daffodils & Iris of any kind are safe and as well as tough perennials like Shasta Daisies and Black- eyed Susans. About twice a year we spray a few things with PlantSkyd (which my husband calls the bucket of blood) to deter the yearlings from browsing the day lilies, dogwood and hostas. Works like a charm. After 6 years, we've made our peace with the deer & frequently field questions from longtime residents wondering how we keep our garden flowering with all the deer. Just my 2 cents, Nancy T |
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