Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/3/10 2:52 PM:

Ok, Steve, even you know you have completely humiliated yourself
on the current topics:

* You claiming I am "lying" to believe your comments about your
motorcycle accidents - given that you lie so much only an idiot
would believe you.

* The fact that you have been trying, and failing, since 2003 to
refute my argument about Bush, stated he
http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/bush/

* Your accusations of my being like you - dishonest. You know I
am right that you lie more in one day than I do in a decade.

* Your confusion between absolute proof / proof beyond a
reasonable doubt

* Your insistence that legal opinions written by Supreme Court
justices are not written in a legal context

* Your insistence that if A = B and B = C then A C

Etc. You just repeatedly made a complete fool of yourself. Your
reaction... wave your white flag and hope you can get more
attention (through your socks) by bringing up a debate from *2006*
where you cannot figure out that this law exists:

-----
Section 31 U.S.C. 5103. Legal Tender
United States coins and currency (including Federal Reserve Notes
and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banks)
are
legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.
Foreign
gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
-----

Snit proves he doesn't know the difference between "lawful money"
and "legal tender". LOL!

LOL!

First, Steve, let us not forget that the reason you are trying,
though your sock, to revive a debate from, I kid you not, *2006* is
because you know you have completely humiliated yourself on the
current debates *and* you are desperate to get my attention.

But, hey, I am in a charitable mood... so please, Steve, try to dig
yourself out of your pathetic hole and explain the difference between
"lawful money" and "legal tender" *and* explain why, contrary to the
view of the US courts, that the bills and coins in my pocket should
not be considered both.

Now, of course, even though you have had since *2006* to try to build
a case so you can actually, finally, for once actually make a point,
we both know you will fail. Worth my laughing at you for another
couple of posts... but, I warn you, if you do not actually try to
support your claims then you will simply bore me and I will ignore
not just your main name but also your new primary sock.

...

You are the one who always brings up the ancient debates. I am just doing
to you what you do to others. Don't whine like a baby.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawfulmoney.asp
Oddly enough, the dollar bills that we carry around in our wallets are not
considered lawful money. The notation on the bottom of a U.S. dollar bill
reads "Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private", and is issued by the
U.S. Federal Reserve, not the U.S. Treasury. Legal tender can be exchanged
for an equivalent amount of lawful money, but effects such as inflation can
change the value of fiat money. Lawful money is said to be the most direct
form of ownership, but for purposes of practicality it has little use in
direct transactions between parties anymore.

If you even look at your "money" you will see it says it is legal tender and
not lawful money. Think this does not make a difference? We only have to
pay taxes on lawful money. You and most Americans are stupid enough to buy
what the IRS tells you and pay taxes on your lawful money (as you have to)
and your legal tender _which_you_do_not_have_to_.

Now who is the idiot? Me who understands the difference and my rights or
you who would be paying taxes if you stopped trolling long enough to earn
some money?


--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/3/10 3:16 PM:

Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/3/10 2:52 PM:

Ok, Steve, even you know you have completely humiliated yourself
on the current topics:

* You claiming I am "lying" to believe your comments about your
motorcycle accidents - given that you lie so much only an idiot
would believe you.

* The fact that you have been trying, and failing, since 2003 to
refute my argument about Bush, stated he
http://csma.gallopinginsanity.com/bush/

* Your accusations of my being like you - dishonest. You know I
am right that you lie more in one day than I do in a decade.

* Your confusion between absolute proof / proof beyond a
reasonable doubt

* Your insistence that legal opinions written by Supreme Court
justices are not written in a legal context

* Your insistence that if A = B and B = C then A C

Etc. You just repeatedly made a complete fool of yourself. Your
reaction... wave your white flag and hope you can get more
attention (through your socks) by bringing up a debate from *2006*
where you cannot figure out that this law exists:

-----
Section 31 U.S.C. 5103. Legal Tender
United States coins and currency (including Federal Reserve Notes
and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banks)
are
legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.
Foreign
gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
-----

Snit proves he doesn't know the difference between "lawful money"
and "legal tender". LOL!

LOL!

First, Steve, let us not forget that the reason you are trying,
though your sock, to revive a debate from, I kid you not, *2006* is
because you know you have completely humiliated yourself on the
current debates *and* you are desperate to get my attention.

But, hey, I am in a charitable mood... so please, Steve, try to dig
yourself out of your pathetic hole and explain the difference between
"lawful money" and "legal tender" *and* explain why, contrary to the
view of the US courts, that the bills and coins in my pocket should
not be considered both.

Now, of course, even though you have had since *2006* to try to build
a case so you can actually, finally, for once actually make a point,
we both know you will fail. Worth my laughing at you for another
couple of posts... but, I warn you, if you do not actually try to
support your claims then you will simply bore me and I will ignore
not just your main name but also your new primary sock.

...

You are the one who always brings up the ancient debates. I am just doing
to you what you do to others. Don't whine like a baby.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawfulmoney.asp
Oddly enough, the dollar bills that we carry around in our wallets are not
considered lawful money. The notation on the bottom of a U.S. dollar bill
reads "Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private", and is issued by the
U.S. Federal Reserve, not the U.S. Treasury. Legal tender can be exchanged
for an equivalent amount of lawful money, but effects such as inflation can
change the value of fiat money. Lawful money is said to be the most direct
form of ownership, but for purposes of practicality it has little use in
direct transactions between parties anymore.

If you even look at your "money" you will see it says it is legal tender and
not lawful money. Think this does not make a difference? We only have to
pay taxes on lawful money. You and most Americans are stupid enough to buy
what the IRS tells you and pay taxes on your lawful money (as you have to)
and your legal tender _which_you_do_not_have_to_.

Now who is the idiot? Me who understands the difference and my rights or
you who would be paying taxes if you stopped trolling long enough to earn
some money?

Hmmmm, who to believe... a crackpot on Usenet who insists that he has proved
if A=B and B=C that A C and insists people are lying if they assume that
his own claims are honest or this:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

See section C.

LOL!




--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

On Dec 3, 3:20Â*pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

.... USC or IRS talking points

Â* Â* http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid
were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, � 8, United States
Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10
Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender
is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an
obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the
Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue,
finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.
Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has
declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are
redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes
when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of the
IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this won't
ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the USC. That
certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to what the
law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid
were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8, United States
Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10
Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender
is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an
obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the
Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue,
finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.
Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has
declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are
redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes
when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of the
IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this won't
ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the USC. That
certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to what the
law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

On Dec 4, 12:08*am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish" BigCrotch@SmallFish
wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... *USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* *from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid
were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8, United States
Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10
Cir., *[**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender
is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an
obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the
Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue,
finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.
Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has
declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are
redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes
when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's *line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of the
IRS's talking points or *bogus, district *level case law (this won't
ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the USC. *That
certain *judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to what the
law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!


And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the value
thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of weights and
measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, § 8, cl. 5. Article I, Section 10 of
the Constitution prohibits the states from declaring as legal tender
anything other than gold or silver, but does not limit Congress' power
to declare the form of legal tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish" BigCrotch@SmallFish
wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R.
Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of
that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are
legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received
Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay checks and used those
notes to pay his personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful
money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of
the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this
won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the
USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to
what the law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd
understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!


And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the value
thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of weights and
measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, § 8, cl. 5. Article I, Section 10 of
the Constitution prohibits the states from declaring as legal tender
anything other than gold or silver, but does not limit Congress' power
to declare the form of legal tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 9:00 AM:

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish" BigCrotch@SmallFish
wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? Hmmmm, what do you think the
terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? LOL!

HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R.
Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of
that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are
legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received
Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay checks and used those
notes to pay his personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful
money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of
the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this
won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the
USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to
what the law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd
understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!


And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the value
thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of weights and
measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, § 8, cl. 5. Article I, Section 10 of
the Constitution prohibits the states from declaring as legal tender
anything other than gold or silver, but does not limit Congress' power
to declare the form of legal tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

On one hand we have you, a hate-filled troll who is trying to obfuscate your
current humiliations by bringing up debates from 2006 (through a sock, no
less) and who is clearly a whacko trying to redefine things to avoid paying
taxes... who cannot accept that once the gold standard went away the money
itself became money and not a deed of sorts for some gold (or other item)...

On the other hand we have the words of the government, the ones who control
the money flow, saying that those who try to make such distinctions are
incorrect.

While there may be some places where wording and whatnot is not as it should
be through the laws written over hundreds of years (gee, go figure), clearly
the intent of the law (and the meaning, as upheld by the courts) is that the
bills in my pocket is legal tender / lawful money and that there is no real
difference in almost all situations since the gold standard was dropped.

But that will all go over your head. And is rather boring. Better be real
exciting or make a new sock if you want to keep getting my attention on
this.


--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 12:08 AM:

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid
were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8, United States
Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10
Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender
is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an
obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the
Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue,
finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.
Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has
declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are
redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes
when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of the
IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this won't
ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the USC. That
certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to what the
law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!


We find no validity in the distinction which defendant
draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

LOL indeed!

But, by all means, explain why you understand things better than the
courts... oh, Steve... you are amusing in your desperate attempts to change
the topic from your current humiliations. Why did you pick a topic you
obsessed over in 2006 where you showed yourself to be a conspiracy whacko
trying to evade taxes?

--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

On Dec 4, 10:15*am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 9:00 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish" BigCrotch@SmallFish
wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? *Hmmmm, what do you think the
terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? *LOL!





HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R.
Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of
that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve Notes are
legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received
Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay checks and used those
notes to pay his personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful
money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of
the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this
won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the
USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to
what the law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd
understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the value
thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of weights and
measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, � 8, cl. 5. Article I, Section 10 of
the Constitution prohibits the states from declaring as legal tender
anything other than gold or silver, but does not limit Congress' power
to declare the form of legal tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

(snip addressing of personality over content by Snit)

On the other hand we have the words of the government

There is no "other hand... there is only the law of a gov't which
states the same thing the judge who has sworn to uphold that law
referred to when he wrote:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

And here is the pertinent part (pertinent to this discussion) of the
law this sworn judge referred to:

"They [FRNs] shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the
Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington,
District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

There is no way to interpret the law or the judges' acknowledgement of
the law as anything other than what the law says... FRN are "are
redeemable in lawful money"... which, to all sane, honest and
honorable people who can comprehend what they read, clearly points out
the fact that FRN are not "lawful money".

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:15 am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 9:00 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish"
BigCrotch@SmallFish wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this
case that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction
which defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? Hmmmm, what do you think
the terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? LOL!





HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O.
R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the
exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed
his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and
"lawful money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking
about this issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version
of the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law
(this won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons)
supersede the USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws
is irrelevant to what the law states. If you knew anything about
the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the
value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of
weights and measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, � 8, cl. 5. Article
I, Section 10 of the Constitution prohibits the states from
declaring as legal tender anything other than gold or silver, but
does not limit Congress' power to declare the form of legal
tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

(snip addressing of personality over content by Snit)

On the other hand we have the words of the government

There is no "other hand... there is only the law of a gov't which
states the same thing the judge who has sworn to uphold that law
referred to when he wrote:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

And here is the pertinent part (pertinent to this discussion) of the
law this sworn judge referred to:

"They [FRNs] shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the
Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington,
District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

There is no way to interpret the law or the judges' acknowledgement of
the law as anything other than what the law says... FRN are "are
redeemable in lawful money"... which, to all sane, honest and
honorable people who can comprehend what they read, clearly points out
the fact that FRN are not "lawful money".

LOL!

--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 11:47 AM:

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:15 am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 9:00 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish"
BigCrotch@SmallFish wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this
case that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction
which defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? Hmmmm, what do you think
the terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? LOL!





HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O.
R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the
exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed
his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and
"lawful money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking
about this issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version
of the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law
(this won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons)
supersede the USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws
is irrelevant to what the law states. If you knew anything about
the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the
value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of
weights and measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, � 8, cl. 5. Article
I, Section 10 of the Constitution prohibits the states from
declaring as legal tender anything other than gold or silver, but
does not limit Congress' power to declare the form of legal
tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

(snip addressing of personality over content by Snit)

On the other hand we have the words of the government

There is no "other hand... there is only the law of a gov't which
states the same thing the judge who has sworn to uphold that law
referred to when he wrote:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

And here is the pertinent part (pertinent to this discussion) of the
law this sworn judge referred to:

"They [FRNs] shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the
Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington,
District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

There is no way to interpret the law or the judges' acknowledgement of
the law as anything other than what the law says... FRN are "are
redeemable in lawful money"... which, to all sane, honest and
honorable people who can comprehend what they read, clearly points out
the fact that FRN are not "lawful money".

LOL!

Your normal snip and run job, Steve... but in the end you are admitting,
publicly, that you do not pay taxes on this money you do not see as being
"lawful money". That, Steve, is a crime - tax evasion.

Do you not have any common sense at all?


--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

On Dec 4, 10:17*am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 12:08 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... *USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* *from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid
were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8, United States
Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United States v. Ware, 10
Cir., *[**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal tender
is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in payment of an
obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to Congress by the
Constitution includes broad and comprehensive authority over revenue,
finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.
Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has
declared that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are
redeemable in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes
when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's *line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and "lawful
money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking about this
issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of the
IRS's talking points or *bogus, district *level case law (this won't
ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the USC. *That
certain *judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant to what the
law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

* * We find no validity in the distinction which defendant
* * draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

LOL indeed!

But, by all means, explain why you understand things better than the
courts...

You're confused... as usual

The discussion here is about whether or not FRNs are "lawful money"
from a legal standpoint, it's not about whether or not someone named
Rickman couched his argument properly so as to be seen 'valid' by a
judge. It's also not about a judge's misinterpretation of a law he
referenced as he simultaneously created a glaring contradiction in his
opinion.

I "understand" exactly what I said: Federal Reserve Notes are not
"lawful money" as per title 12 of the USC. Were you able to comprehend
what you read from this judge (instead of engaging in law worship via
case law) you'd be asking him how he could referenced Congress' intent
to make clear that FRN are not lawful money, yet, he simultaneously
claimed Rickman used lawful money when he used FRN.

So... what we have here is you arguing that the law created under
title 12 is not a law and your evidence that it isn't a law is:

The misguided opinion of a district court judge who clearly
misinterpreted the law he referenced even *as* he referenced it.

By the way... that the IRS saw fit to only include a tiny, self
serving snippet and not the judge's blatant contradiction is a pretty
big clue how these folks operate.


You're welcome for this education.

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:17 am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 12:08 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this case
that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction which
defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender." HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O.
R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the
exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal Reserve
Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money.
Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay
checks and used those notes to pay his personal expenses. He
obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and
"lawful money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking
about this issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version of
the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law (this
won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons) supersede the
USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws is irrelevant
to what the law states. If you knew anything about the law you'd
understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

We find no validity in the distinction which defendant
draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

LOL indeed!

But, by all means, explain why you understand things better than the
courts...

You're confused... as usual

The discussion here is about whether or not FRNs are "lawful money"
from a legal standpoint, it's not about whether or not someone named
Rickman couched his argument properly so as to be seen 'valid' by a
judge. It's also not about a judge's misinterpretation of a law he
referenced as he simultaneously created a glaring contradiction in his
opinion.

I "understand" exactly what I said: Federal Reserve Notes are not
"lawful money" as per title 12 of the USC. Were you able to comprehend
what you read from this judge (instead of engaging in law worship via
case law) you'd be asking him how he could referenced Congress' intent
to make clear that FRN are not lawful money, yet, he simultaneously
claimed Rickman used lawful money when he used FRN.

So... what we have here is you arguing that the law created under
title 12 is not a law and your evidence that it isn't a law is:

The misguided opinion of a district court judge who clearly
misinterpreted the law he referenced even *as* he referenced it.

By the way... that the IRS saw fit to only include a tiny, self
serving snippet and not the judge's blatant contradiction is a pretty
big clue how these folks operate.


You're welcome for this education.

LOL!

--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 11:47 AM:

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:15 am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 9:00 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish"
BigCrotch@SmallFish wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this
case that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious
reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he
was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ?
8, United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary.
United States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction
which defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal
tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? Hmmmm, what do you think
the terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? LOL!





HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted
to Congress by the Constitution includes broad and
comprehensive authority over revenue, finance, and currency.
Norman v. B. & O. R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L.
Ed. 885. In the exercise of that power Congress has declared
that Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable
in lawful money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when
he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his
personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that
Federal Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in
lawful money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and
"lawful money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking
about this issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version
of the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law
(this won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons)
supersede the USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain
laws is irrelevant to what the law states. If you knew
anything about the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out
why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the
value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of
weights and measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, � 8, cl. 5. Article
I, Section 10 of the Constitution prohibits the states from
declaring as legal tender anything other than gold or silver, but
does not limit Congress' power to declare the form of legal
tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

(snip addressing of personality over content by Snit)

On the other hand we have the words of the government

There is no "other hand... there is only the law of a gov't which
states the same thing the judge who has sworn to uphold that law
referred to when he wrote:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

And here is the pertinent part (pertinent to this discussion) of
the law this sworn judge referred to:

"They [FRNs] shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the
Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington,
District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

There is no way to interpret the law or the judges' acknowledgement
of the law as anything other than what the law says... FRN are "are
redeemable in lawful money"... which, to all sane, honest and
honorable people who can comprehend what they read, clearly points
out the fact that FRN are not "lawful money".

LOL!

Your normal snip and run job, Steve... but in the end you are
admitting, publicly, that you do not pay taxes on this money you do
not see as being "lawful money". That, Steve, is a crime - tax
evasion.

Do you not have any common sense at all?

Go to hell, Gluey.

--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch

On Dec 4, 12:03*pm, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post on
12/4/10 11:47 AM:





Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:15 am, Snit wrote:
Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post
on 12/4/10 9:00 AM:

Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 4, 12:08 am, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish"
BigCrotch@SmallFish wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:20 pm, Snit wrote:

(snip)

Hmmmm, who to believe...

... USC or IRS talking points

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106503,00.html

I'll see your *partial quote* from the IRS's pile of marketing
bullshit and raise you additional, pertinent context from this
case that the IRS didn't bother to include (for obvious reasons):

"Defendant argues that the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was
paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, ? 8,
United States Constitution. We have held to the contrary. United
States v. Ware, 10 Cir., [**7]
608 F.2d 400, 402-403. We find no validity in the distinction
which defendant draws between "lawful money" and "legal tender."

So, Steve, what is that distinction again? Hmmmm, what do you think
the terms "no validity in the distinction" mean? LOL!

HN6Go to
this Headnote in the case.Money is a medium of exchange. Legal
tender is money which the law requires a creditor to receive in
payment of an obligation. The aggregate of the powers granted to
Congress by the Constitution includes broad and comprehensive
authority over revenue, finance, and currency. Norman v. B. & O.
R. Co., 294 U.S. 240, 55 S. Ct. 407, 79 L. Ed. 885. In the
exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money. Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed
his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal
expenses. He obtained and used lawful money."

Note the judge's line which states:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful
money."

Congress made a clear distinction between "legal tender" and
"lawful money" so judges wouldn't have to do anything thinking
about this issue and get all confused the way you are.

The law passed by Congress was not suitable for this dishonest,
activist judge... here is his obvious contradiction:

"He obtained and used lawful money."

Hint: Neither partial quotes referenced on the internet version
of the IRS's talking points or bogus, district level case law
(this won't ever get to the SC, also for obvious reasons)
supersede the USC. That certain judges won't uphold certain laws
is irrelevant to what the law states. If you knew anything about
the law you'd understand that.

You're welcome.

LOL!

And this part is just as bizarre... see if you can figure out why:

"The Law: Congress is empowered "[t]o coin Money, regulate the
value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the Standard of
weights and measures." U.S. Const. Art. I, 8, cl. 5. Article
I, Section 10 of the Constitution prohibits the states from
declaring as legal tender anything other than gold or silver, but
does not limit Congress' power to declare the form of legal
tender. "

How about you, gluehead? Wanna take a stab at it?

LOL!

Wow... this is tough:

(snip addressing of personality over content by Snit)

On the other hand we have the words of the government

There is no "other hand... there is only *the law of a gov't which
states the same thing the judge who has sworn to uphold that law
referred to when he wrote:

"In the exercise of that power Congress has declared that Federal
Reserve Notes are legal tender and are redeemable in lawful money."

And here is the pertinent part *(pertinent to this discussion) of the
law this sworn judge referred to:

"They [FRNs] shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the
Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington,
District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

There is no way to interpret the law or the judges' acknowledgement of
the law as anything other than what the law says... FRN are "are
redeemable in lawful money"... which, to all sane, honest and
honorable people who can comprehend what they read, clearly points out
the fact that FRN are not "lawful money".

LOL!

Your normal snip and run job, Steve... but in the end you are admitting,
publicly, that

.... you are erroneously arguing the law in Title 12 is not a law and
you're saying that FRNs are "lawful money" . Your "evidence" for these
claims is a snippet off the IRS website of a case where the judge
clearly misinterpreted Congress' intent as laid out in Title 12 (as
shown to you by me, the guy who found the rest of the judge's words
that include his blatant contradiction.

(snip Snit's arguing the personality over content... again)