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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:12:07 +0000 (UTC), Dan L wrote: Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: And I also find that things tend to even out over time. If I have a good year with one veg and a not so good year with another, it doesn't really matter. If I'd decided to plant only a few of any one vegetable or even only one or two varieties of vegetables, I would have missed out because the conditions for whatever didn't do well coul dhave had an impact on my only a few veg/varieties. So essentially you are concurring, home vegetable gardening is a hobby, you're mostly in it for the personal enjoyment of growing stuff, and you get to eat some too. Sure home grown tomatoes taste better than the typical store bought but mostly they all come in at once within a relatively short period as do all crops, one can eat only so much. Unless one goes into crops on a large enough scale to supply several families there is no way that supermarket prices can be beat... and even with a little truck farm crops can fail and often do and for a number of reasons outside ones control, and then there's the cost of supplies, tools, and powered equipment and those get used up and fail too. Who do you think supports the plant nurseries and gardening product aisles at the big box stores, home gardeners is who. Believe it or not folks tend to home veggie gardens for exactly the same reason folks tend to lawns, personal satisfaction is all... even though one can't eat that grass neither holds sway over the other, both are hobbies. No hobby is profitable monetarilly, as soon as it is it's called a business. I do gardening too, I'm motivated by enjoyment, not saving money... no way can one save money from any kind of home gardening. The term "Hobby" could be used for some. Is doing laundry a hobby also by your definition? After all why buy a washing machine and dryer when I can take my dirty clothes to the cleaners. How about one of your other favorite subjects "Cooking" is that a hobby when one can go the restaurants three times a week? I am sure there are cost advantages of eating out all the time. I often think of a hobby that only provides a pleasure incentive. Gardening does pay ones self with goods that helps one survive physically. Bird watching, Amateur Radio and Chess provides pleasure only. like Chess and Gardening i Win and Lose at times. Does working for yourself just a hobby. I built my own home, Me and two nephews did everything except the concrete work and drywall. Is building your own home a hobby? I am not being paid by anyone. So by your definition of Hobby, does working for yourself count? Gardening and food preservation in my book is being self reliant, not a hobby. You don't make any sense, you are simply attempting to defend the indefensible... home veggie gardening is a hobby like all others, primarilly gives pleasure but saves not a mot on ones grocery bill. I've had a veggie garden every year for more than 60 years and never saved a penny on food... canning and freezing costs more than buying at the stupidmarket. Your experience does not make it universally so. Unless you cost my time I am in front by many hundreds of dollars a year every year. I bottle and freeze quite a lot and once again it costs me almost nothing (people give me boxes of preserving jars, lids and seals) and my time. Why is this an article of faith with you? At some time in your history you totalled up what gardening was costing you and you had an Ah Hah moment and decided that you couldn't justify it financially. That's fine but it doesn't apply to everybody. NO hobby saves money and a home veggie garden is definitely a hobby, one of the more costly hobbies when time, effort, and losses to nature are factored in. Well yes if you cost your time. But consider the alternatives such as going to the gym or pushing myself through some excercise routine. These take time, cost money, usually require equipment and to me are less pleasant. What do you want out of a hobby beyond engaging the mind and body and (if you allow ) social contacts? I've been involved in several hobbies, I've raised tropical fish for many years, collected stamps, and coins and I've collected fountain pens most of my life and still, at least I can occasionally sell fountain pens at a profit, I've never sold a tomato at a profit. I garden strictly for enjoyment... no one saves money with home vegetable gardening, it's 100% an expense... actually more than 100%, a lot more... anyone who believes they are saving money is fantacising. Well colour me hallucinating! Last summer I sold about $50 worth of tomatoes at the local farmer's market and all it cost me was effort. I recently spent over $300 on mole/vole protection products, I'd have to sell a ton of tomatoes to maybe break even. Just from reading here of people bitching about their watering bills alone proves that gardening is not monetarilly profitable, never mind all the other myriad cost aspects folks here constantly whine about paying for. I don't have any watering bills. I spend a little on petrol to pump water. I buy very little in the way of inputs, a few chemicals that I can't do without and sometimes some seed, my seed is through a grower's club and very cheap, my equipment is mainly years old and long paid for. I use recycled wire as fences and recycled gates as trellises that were gifts. I collect horse manure off the pasture and other people give me chicken litter. And I don't have voles! You keep going on about this. It seems to be a religious crusade that nobody could come out in front from growing things. OK you can't come out in front, I get that. Can't you see that other people in this world have other experiences and consequently see things differently? David Reminds me of the story about a journalist assigned to the Jerusalem bureau takes an apartment overlooking the historic Wailing Wall. Everyday when she looks out, she sees an old bearded Jewish man praying vigorously. Certain he would be a good interview subject, the journalist goes down to the Wall and introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the Wall, sir, how long have you been doing that and what are you praying for?" The old man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace and for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a cup of tea, and I come back and pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth. And very, very important, I pray for peace and understanding between the Israelis and Palestinians." The journalist is very impressed. "How does it make you feel to come here every day for 25 years and pray for these wonderful things?" she asks. The old man replies calmly, "Like I'm talking to a wall." ----- David, I'm glad to see you are keeping up the tradition. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug |
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
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bureau takes an apartment overlooking the historic Wailing Wall. Everyday when she looks out, she sees an old bearded Jewish man praying vigorously. Certain he would be a good interview subject, the journalist goes down to the Wall and introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the Wall, sir, how long have you been doing that and what are you praying for?" The old man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace and for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a cup of tea, and I come back and pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth. And very, very important, I pray for peace and understanding between the Israelis and Palestinians." The journalist is very impressed. "How does it make you feel to come here every day for 25 years and pray for these wonderful things?" she asks. The old man replies calmly, "Like I'm talking to a wall." ----- A very good analogy here -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
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Dan L wrote: Billy wrote: bureau takes an apartment overlooking the historic Wailing Wall. Everyday when she looks out, she sees an old bearded Jewish man praying vigorously. Certain he would be a good interview subject, the journalist goes down to the Wall and introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the Wall, sir, how long have you been doing that and what are you praying for?" The old man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace and for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a cup of tea, and I come back and pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth. And very, very important, I pray for peace and understanding between the Israelis and Palestinians." The journalist is very impressed. "How does it make you feel to come here every day for 25 years and pray for these wonderful things?" she asks. The old man replies calmly, "Like I'm talking to a wall." ----- A very good analogy here Sort of got me thinking that actions speak louder than words perhaps prayers too. Su Tung-po (1037 - 1101 / China) Battle of Red Cliff The Yangtze flows east Washing away A thousand ages of great men West of the ramparts -- People say -- Are the fabled Red Cliffs of young Chou of the Three Kingdoms Rebellious rocks pierce the sky Frightening waves rip the bank The backwash churns vast snowy swells -- River and mountains like a painting how many heroes passed them, once ... Think back to those years, Chou Yu -- Just married to the younger Chiao -- Brave, brilliant With plumed fan, silk kerchief Laughed and talked While masts and oars vanished to flying ash and smoke! I roam through ancient realms Absurdly moved Turn gray too soon -- A man's life passes like a dream -- Pour out a cup then, to the river, and the moon .......... Bill who has a 3 WEEK HEAD COLD -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden "Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember anything." --Mark Twain. |
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
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Bill who putters wrote: In article , Dan L wrote: Billy wrote: bureau takes an apartment overlooking the historic Wailing Wall. Everyday when she looks out, she sees an old bearded Jewish man praying vigorously. Certain he would be a good interview subject, the journalist goes down to the Wall and introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the Wall, sir, how long have you been doing that and what are you praying for?" The old man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace and for the brotherhood of man. I go home, have a cup of tea, and I come back and pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth. And very, very important, I pray for peace and understanding between the Israelis and Palestinians." The journalist is very impressed. "How does it make you feel to come here every day for 25 years and pray for these wonderful things?" she asks. The old man replies calmly, "Like I'm talking to a wall." ----- A very good analogy here Sort of got me thinking that actions speak louder than words perhaps prayers too. Su Tung-po (1037 - 1101 / China) Battle of Red Cliff The Yangtze flows east Washing away A thousand ages of great men West of the ramparts -- People say -- Are the fabled Red Cliffs of young Chou of the Three Kingdoms Rebellious rocks pierce the sky Frightening waves rip the bank The backwash churns vast snowy swells -- River and mountains like a painting how many heroes passed them, once ... Think back to those years, Chou Yu -- Just married to the younger Chiao -- Brave, brilliant With plumed fan, silk kerchief Laughed and talked While masts and oars vanished to flying ash and smoke! I roam through ancient realms Absurdly moved Turn gray too soon -- A man's life passes like a dream -- Pour out a cup then, to the river, and the moon I'll drink to that ;O) ......... Bill who has a 3 WEEK HEAD COLD About 2 months ago, we had a regional cold going around. It would briefly set up in your head, and then go to your chest. After a day or 2 you'd feel better, only to come down with it again. The only consistent thing about it was a dry cough. It lasted about 3 - 4 weeks. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug |
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
"Billy" wrote in message
Bill who has a 3 WEEK HEAD COLD About 2 months ago, we had a regional cold going around. It would briefly set up in your head, and then go to your chest. After a day or 2 you'd feel better, only to come down with it again. The only consistent thing about it was a dry cough. It lasted about 3 - 4 weeks. Snap! That mongrel seems to have spread around the globe. |
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message Bill who has a 3 WEEK HEAD COLD About 2 months ago, we had a regional cold going around. It would briefly set up in your head, and then go to your chest. After a day or 2 you'd feel better, only to come down with it again. The only consistent thing about it was a dry cough. It lasted about 3 - 4 weeks. Snap! That mongrel seems to have spread around the globe. Globe trotting, twice around the world before the virus can even incubate. I was told it was in Saint Lucia (West Indies, Caribbean). Where I work, everybody got it. Nasty little bugger. Yeah, it had been years since I had a cold (I think I subbed in a primary school.=() Well, if it got half-way around the world one way, it probably got half-way around the other as well. So, this is the 21st Century. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph p |
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Well, I like soaker hoses and I installed a system this year using an old Hoselock water meter I had, so I can regulate how much water I put on the long border of my garden. I've a supply that goes from this dedicated tap below our kitchen window under the patio and up behind my koi pool waterfall to where the soaker hose is connected.
This has two Hoselock three way valves in it so I can water any combination from one to three sections at a time. But my greatest indulgence were the "pop up" sprinklers I installed in my lawn using "speedfit" pipe and connectors, for a total outlay of around fifty quid. It then rained for about three months! Needless to say, I'm not on a water meter!
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Won't Use Soaker Hoses Again This Season
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:52:37 +0000, Doghouse Riley
wrote: Well, I like soaker hoses and I installed a system this year using an old Hoselock water meter I had, so I can regulate how much water I put on the long border of my garden. I've a supply that goes from this dedicated tap below our kitchen window under the patio and up behind my koi pool waterfall to where the soaker hose is connected. [image: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7012/p1020996o.jpg] This has two Hoselock three way valves in it so I can water any combination from one to three sections at a time. [image: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/487/p1030009o.jpg] But my greatest indulgence were the "pop up" sprinklers I installed in my lawn using "speedfit" pipe and connectors, for a total outlay of around fifty quid. [image: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7913/p1020994q.jpg] It then rained for about three months! Needless to say, I'm not on a water meter! Excellent! Nice set up. Lovely garden... thanks for the pictures. I'll add for those who don't know that there are several grades of soaker hose, better quality soaker hose lasts for many years and does not waste water. With soaker hose timers and sufficient volume at the correct pressure are important. |
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His ideal sound like the Hornet is a result of inbred
Population decline, rather than as the source of the decline. All Inbred animals, if their number will decline too much as a mechanism Survival.
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