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Nad R wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

(whack)

It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have
doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did
take
place because there are implications of racial profiling and the potential
for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and
something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an
environment of constant conspiracy theories.

Nightmare indeed. It is more than rumored that the US has rows and rows,
floors and floors, building after building of super computers that monitor
every international phone call, every radio frequency, every email of the
entire world. What! You do not watch science fiction?

Hide what, the humus thing was on TV every other night eight years ago.

Wouldn't want to share a link, would you? I don't doubt what you say,
but my queries didn't solicit confirmation of the story.
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

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,
Higgs Boson wrote:

On Feb 4, 6:42*pm, Nad R wrote:
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:



"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an
arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? *I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but
having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that
I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

I know that information from buying activites can be collected and
analysed
and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by
purchases,
but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is
probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate
administration.

[...]

Nightmare indeed. It is more than rumored that the US has rows and rows,
floors and floors, building after building of super computers that monitor
every international phone call, every radio frequency, every email of the
entire world. What! *You do not watch science fiction?

I think Frontline had a program about that few years ago. The
installation was in San Francisco, IIRC. Dunno if it was as inclusive
as you suggest, but it was portrayed as pretty darn inclusive. Think
it also said that the amount of information was virtually impossible
to address.
It was in the AT&T building in San Francisco. The software came from
Narus of Sunnyvale, Calif., and is called Deep Packet Inspection (DPI).

What I don't understand is why ISPs keep track of the information on our
activities to begin with.

It certainly seems to be "1984", and not "Brave New World".


Hide what, the humus thing was on TV every other night eight years ago.

And of course everything we see on TV is always, invariably, true and
provable.
If you watch the documentary "Corporation", you'll find that reporting
known falsehoods (lies) as news isn't against the law.

"The Corporation"
http://www.amazon.com/Corporation-Mi...DBJM8/ref=sr_1
_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1296889718&sr=1-1
(and at better libraries near you)

HB
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

"Nad R" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an
arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but
having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that
I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

I know that information from buying activites can be collected and
analysed
and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by
purchases,
but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is
probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate
administration.

I also think that it would be unlikely that human resources with
sufficient
sense would be available to do such a job even if the funding was there.
It's low level work but requires competent analytical skills.

You know how few people there are who post on usenet who can read a
sentence
and analyse a few simple clauses in order to understand what's been said.
If the bulk of usenet posters is in any way representative of the pool of
talent in the general poupulace such a project would be very dangerous to
try to conduct.

It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have
doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did
take
place because there are implications of racial profiling and the
potential
for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and
something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an
environment of constant conspiracy theories.

Nightmare indeed. It is more than rumored that the US has rows and rows,
floors and floors, building after building of super computers that monitor
every international phone call, every radio frequency, every email of the
entire world.

(snip of unrelated remark)
Eavesdropping machines with the capacity to pick up words is not what is
being discussed. That is a differnt topic entirely. I'm trying to get a
cite about humus buyers being targeted that is more than just usenet gossip.

Hide what, the humus thing was on TV every other night eight years ago.

I do hope that just because something has been on TV, you don't think it
that makes it true.

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an
arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but
having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that
I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to
sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

I know that information from buying activites can be collected and
analysed
and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by
purchases,
but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is
probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate
administration.

I also think that it would be unlikely that human resources with
sufficient
sense would be available to do such a job even if the funding was there.
It's low level work but requires competent analytical skills.

You know how few people there are who post on usenet who can read a
sentence
and analyse a few simple clauses in order to understand what's been said.
If the bulk of usenet posters is in any way representative of the pool of
talent in the general poupulace such a project would be very dangerous to
try to conduct.

It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have
doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did
take
place because there are implications of racial profiling and the
potential
for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and
something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an
environment of constant conspiracy theories.

It is symptomatic of our environment. Nobody knows if it's true, but it
sounds like our government. They spied on us illegally, and then,
retroactively passed a law that said it was OK.

And you know about that because......................?

If all that came out, do you really think the humus buying spying wouldn't
have?

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person but I also like
to differntiate between reality and speculation. There is still no cite
(other than gossip) to support the humus spying story.


You seem to have an
honest government, at least your Prime Minister seems decent, but here
and in Europe, there has been a shift to the right since Bush. If your
computer has a web cam, I'd cover its lens when it wasn't in use. The
neighborhood has changed.

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

if you do work for the security of your country, you must be crappy at your
job! Use these search terms "Supermarket FBI humus terrorist". I have a
feeling if your out side of the US, your search information is probably
limited. Every nation has it own search parameters. Try the US Google
instead your own countries google. Also were talking eight years ago,
news papers were just getting started on the Internet. Eight years ago the
web as news information was limited. Not like today.

I live in Michigan, Dearborn Michigan has the highest number of Muslims
living in the United States. It was big news here as the arrest of people
and the electronic searches of the supermarkets.

If your looking for information beyond the Internet, that's it, accept it
or not, I could care less. I guess its like global warming, accept it or
not as proof. Global warming is not real, that flooded country of Australia
it is a myth here in the US.

http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...le_buy_falafel

http://current.com/news-and-politics...-watchlist.htm


--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an
arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but
having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that
I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to
sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

I know that information from buying activites can be collected and
analysed
and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by
purchases,
but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is
probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate
administration.

I also think that it would be unlikely that human resources with
sufficient
sense would be available to do such a job even if the funding was there.
It's low level work but requires competent analytical skills.

You know how few people there are who post on usenet who can read a
sentence
and analyse a few simple clauses in order to understand what's been said.
If the bulk of usenet posters is in any way representative of the pool of
talent in the general poupulace such a project would be very dangerous to
try to conduct.

It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have
doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did
take
place because there are implications of racial profiling and the
potential
for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and
something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an
environment of constant conspiracy theories.

It is symptomatic of our environment. Nobody knows if it's true, but it
sounds like our government. They spied on us illegally, and then,
retroactively passed a law that said it was OK.

And you know about that because......................?

If all that came out, do you really think the humus buying spying wouldn't
have?

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person but I also like
to differntiate between reality and speculation. There is still no cite
(other than gossip) to support the humus spying story.


You seem to have an
honest government, at least your Prime Minister seems decent, but here
and in Europe, there has been a shift to the right since Bush. If your
computer has a web cam, I'd cover its lens when it wasn't in use. The
neighborhood has changed.

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

There does seem to be more money for corporate sponsored, right-wing
minions than there is for status quo or left-wing minions, but then
there is that market share thing, where controlling a big share of a
small market may be better than owning a small share of a big market.

The world seems full of Elmer Gantrys/Tartuffes, but I have faith that
most people are good, and just want to hang-out with friends and
families instead of chasing after power.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

Don't look at me. This is the first that I heard about it. My only point
is that most people won't be surprised if our government had used some
form of profiling to spy on us.
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective
than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

if you do work for the security of your country, you must be crappy at your
job! Use these search terms "Supermarket FBI humus terrorist". I have a
feeling if your out side of the US, your search information is probably
limited. Every nation has it own search parameters. Try the US Google
instead your own countries google. Also were talking eight years ago,
news papers were just getting started on the Internet. Eight years ago the
web as news information was limited. Not like today.

I live in Michigan, Dearborn Michigan has the highest number of Muslims
living in the United States. It was big news here as the arrest of people
and the electronic searches of the supermarkets.

If your looking for information beyond the Internet, that's it, accept it
or not, I could care less. I guess its like global warming, accept it or
not as proof. Global warming is not real, that flooded country of Australia
it is a myth here in the US.

http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...ple_buy_falafe
l

http://current.com/news-and-politics...-watchlist.htm

Thanks for the links, Dan. How embarrassing for me, this took place in
my backyard, but I was unaware of it.
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

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,
Billy wrote:


http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...eople_buy_fala
fe
l

http://current.com/news-and-politics...-watchlist.htm

Thanks for the links, Dan. How embarrassing for me, this took place in
my backyard, but I was unaware of it.
--

Prepared Hummus purchased by middle east folks does not make sense to
me. So easy to make with so many options. Guess crazy is about in
force.

Fav Hummus

cup cooked chickpeas or others


1/4 cup bean juice
3/4 cup Tahini
Juice of two lemons
1 T Soy Sauce
2 T Olive Oil
1 to 3 Cloces garlic

I'd monitor Garlic or lemon users along with sesame seed purchases.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

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Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho..._people_buy_fa
la
fe
l

http://current.com/news-and-politics...l-watchlist.ht
m

Thanks for the links, Dan. How embarrassing for me, this took place in
my backyard, but I was unaware of it.
--

Prepared Hummus purchased by middle east folks does not make sense to
me. So easy to make with so many options. Guess crazy is about in
force.

Fav Hummus

cup cooked chickpeas or others


1/4 cup bean juice
3/4 cup Tahini
Juice of two lemons
1 T Soy Sauce
2 T Olive Oil
1 to 3 Cloces garlic

I'd monitor Garlic or lemon users along with sesame seed purchases.

Forgot to mention "The Best Book on Bees".

"The ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" 1947 Amazon has it for $48 should
be in library.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Nad R" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Nad R" wrote in message

During 911 every grocery
store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an
arabic
food, the grocery stores complied.

Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know
the
US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but
having
to
give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that
I
find it hard to believe.

Can you provide a cite for that?

The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery
purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded
and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database.
The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell
widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser
can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter
can find out about me the hard way.

Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about
the humus buyers?

I know that information from buying activites can be collected and
analysed
and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by
purchases,
but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is
probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate
administration.

I also think that it would be unlikely that human resources with
sufficient
sense would be available to do such a job even if the funding was there.
It's low level work but requires competent analytical skills.

You know how few people there are who post on usenet who can read a
sentence
and analyse a few simple clauses in order to understand what's been said.
If the bulk of usenet posters is in any way representative of the pool of
talent in the general poupulace such a project would be very dangerous to
try to conduct.

It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have
doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did
take
place because there are implications of racial profiling and the
potential
for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and
something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an
environment of constant conspiracy theories.

Nightmare indeed. It is more than rumored that the US has rows and rows,
floors and floors, building after building of super computers that monitor
every international phone call, every radio frequency, every email of the
entire world.

(snip of unrelated remark)
Eavesdropping machines with the capacity to pick up words is not what is
being discussed. That is a differnt topic entirely. I'm trying to get a
cite about humus buyers being targeted that is more than just usenet gossip.

Hide what, the humus thing was on TV every other night eight years ago.

I do hope that just because something has been on TV, you don't think it
that makes it true.

http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...ng_people_buy_
falafel
I guess you know by now that the falafel profiling search was done from
supermarket databases of people who use store I.D. cards for discounts.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/02/02/18670966.php
The communications trolling of American correspondence that you referred
to was done by the NSA using Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) from Narus of
Sunnyvale, Calif., a content-filtering technology that allows network
managers to inspect, track and target content from users of the Internet
and mobile phones, as it passes through routers on the information
superhighway.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944
In San Francisco the "secret room" is Room 641A at 611 Folsom Street,
the site of a large SBC phone building, three floors of which are
occupied by AT&T. High-speed fiber-optic circuits come in on the 8th
floor and run down to the 7th floor where they connect to routers for
AT&T's WorldNet service, part of the latter's vital "Common Backbone."
In order to snoop on these circuits, a special cabinet was installed and
cabled to the "secret room" on the 6th floor to monitor the information
going through the circuits. (The location code of the cabinet is
070177.04, which denotes the 7th floor, aisle 177 and bay 04.) The
"secret room" itself is roughly 24-by-48 feet, containing perhaps a
dozen cabinets including such equipment as Sun servers and two Juniper
routers, plus an industrial-size air conditioner.

This same technology is being used today to suppress the revolt in Egypt.
----

Like it or not, we are all Tunisians, some of us just don't realize it
yet.

Wages don't reflect increase in productivity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html

Concentration of wealth is now greater than anytime since 1929.
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
Be sure to look at fig.3


Question: What do $42,600 and $5 have in common?
Answer: they both represent the median net wealth of middle-aged
American women. The only difference between the two numbers is race;
while single white women from the ages of 36 to 49 have a median wealth
of $42,600, single black women have a net wealth of just $5.
http://news.change.org/stories/the-m...ack-women-is-5


More than 1 in every 100 Americans now behind bars
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ns29feb29,0,53
55881.story

Inmate Count in U.S. Dwarfs Other Nations¹
Published: April 23, 2008
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world¹s population. But
it has almost a quarter of the world¹s prisoners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/23prison.html
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...isoners-per-ca
pita

"Top Secret America" Washington Post Investigation Reveals Massive,
Unmanageable, Outsourced US Intelligence System
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/1...washington_pos
t

To the top 1%, we are all Arabs now.
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective
than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

if you do work for the security of your country, you must be crappy at your
job! Use these search terms "Supermarket FBI humus terrorist". I have a
feeling if your out side of the US, your search information is probably
limited. Every nation has it own search parameters. Try the US Google
instead your own countries google. Also were talking eight years ago,
news papers were just getting started on the Internet. Eight years ago the
web as news information was limited. Not like today.

I live in Michigan, Dearborn Michigan has the highest number of Muslims
living in the United States. It was big news here as the arrest of people
and the electronic searches of the supermarkets.

If your looking for information beyond the Internet, that's it, accept it
or not, I could care less. I guess its like global warming, accept it or
not as proof. Global warming is not real, that flooded country of Australia
it is a myth here in the US.

http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...ple_buy_falafe
l

http://current.com/news-and-politics...-watchlist.htm

Thanks for the links, Dan. How embarrassing for me, this took place in
my backyard, but I was unaware of it.

It is all old news. Over the years there is just so much fear out there at
some point one will go nuts or say I no longer care. They track me so what.
If they want to know what I eat and do, I no longer care. My main goal in
life is to enjoy life and it not run from it. I will say what I want, eat
what I want, do what I want until someone says I cannot do the things I do.
When I get to that bridge, I will have to analyze then to comply or
resist.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho..._people_buy_fa
la
fe
l

http://current.com/news-and-politics...l-watchlist.ht
m

Thanks for the links, Dan. How embarrassing for me, this took place in
my backyard, but I was unaware of it.
--

Prepared Hummus purchased by middle east folks does not make sense to
me. So easy to make with so many options. Guess crazy is about in
force.

Fav Hummus

cup cooked chickpeas or others


1/4 cup bean juice
3/4 cup Tahini
Juice of two lemons
1 T Soy Sauce
2 T Olive Oil
1 to 3 Cloces garlic

I'd monitor Garlic or lemon users along with sesame seed purchases.

Where are the "binders and fillers"? What is Cargill to do, if you don't
buy processed foods?
--
- Billy
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

"Nad R" wrote


I also do my taxes by hand. I think by law, the government cannot sell
your
personal information but corporations can. Tax agencies that perform taxes
online and those computer programs also sells your tax information to the
advertisers. Read the fine print on those tax software programs. Years ago
those money management software programs could also send your personal
financial information over the Internet without your knowledge, if you did
not have a good firewall. They embedded the tracking software in the
security tracks of ones hard drive that could not be erased even by
reformatting the drive.

Nad, you are an amazing mix of completely unfounded idiocy and partly
understood security. Either way, I see so no reason why you are posting
this compost in the rec.gardens group who are talking about plants and
gardens and such.

"cshenk" wrote:
"Nad R" wrote


I also do my taxes by hand. I think by law, the government cannot sell your
personal information but corporations can. Tax agencies that perform taxes
online and those computer programs also sells your tax information to the
advertisers. Read the fine print on those tax software programs. Years ago
those money management software programs could also send your personal
financial information over the Internet without your knowledge, if you did
not have a good firewall. They embedded the tracking software in the
security tracks of ones hard drive that could not be erased even by
reformatting the drive.

Nad, you are an amazing mix of completely unfounded idiocy and partly
understood security. Either way, I see so no reason why you are posting
this compost in the rec.gardens group who are talking about plants and gardens and such.

it is almost like Billy's posting of the Godwin's law. Perhaps call a part
of Chaos Theory. Start with any topic and over time the topic will diverge
in to different subjects. It is the same in my personal life, start with a
subject of interest and soon the mind wanders to different topics. I know
others are more capable of focusing on a specific topic. I am like a kid in
a candy store of life. I am into everything... For a moment.

As for security in my life, financial privacy ranks allot higher than a
private conversation or postings or the things i eat or do. Also Nad or Dan
are not my real names, just a pen names. I have a dozen different email
accounts and a few web sites with real name soundings. Only thing that can
be traced is my IP address.

I also believe this thread will soon be over with. Everyone pretty much
said what they wanted. It is winter here, outdoor gardening is a few months
away. Seed starting next week... Maybe.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"Nad R" wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

I agree that the western world has moved very far right since 9/11. But
that does not mean that the minions of the right are any more effective
than
minions of the left or minions of the in betweeners.

I still have a security clearance from my government (as I still do
casual
work for them) and I know that most bureaucracies are largely ineffective
and we've already got examples of that. 9/11 happened despite the
enormous
resources the US puts into security. A low level military guy in Iraq
steals and expose State Department cables.

If you and Nad expect me to believe there is some degree of competence in
spooking on humus buyers then one or other of you are going to have to
come
up with better proof than usenet gossip.

if you do work for the security of your country, you must be crappy at
your
job!

Please try reading for comprehension. I don't work in security and never
have.

Use these search terms "Supermarket FBI humus terrorist". I have a
feeling if your out side of the US, your search information is probably
limited. Every nation has it own search parameters. Try the US Google
instead your own countries google.

OK. I'll do that. I've found a way I can use US google but since you
havent' posted any cite for any information other than forum gossip, I doubt
that there is any information other than gossip and conspiracy theory to be
found.

Also were talking eight years ago,
news papers were just getting started on the Internet. Eight years ago the
web as news information was limited. Not like today.

I live in Michigan, Dearborn Michigan has the highest number of Muslims
living in the United States. It was big news here as the arrest of people
and the electronic searches of the supermarkets.

If your looking for information beyond the Internet, that's it, accept it
or not, I could care less. I guess its like global warming, accept it or
not as proof. Global warming is not real, that flooded country of
Australia
it is a myth here in the US.

http://www.pollsb.com/polls/p3626-ho...le_buy_falafel

http://current.com/news-and-politics...-watchlist.htm


--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)