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Hi there.
I would love to create a small tropical themed bed at the front of my house.
I am looking at bananas, palms, grasses and also want a few colorful plants.
Are there any more hearty and more likely to survive in our London U.K. climate?
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Hi there.
I would love to create a small tropical themed bed at the front of my house.
I am looking at bananas, palms, grasses and also want a few colorful plants.
Are there any more hearty and more likely to survive in our London U.K. climate?
Thanks
Come on guys..............
So many of you have read what I have posted, but none have given any advise.
Am I posting this in the wrong section?????
Please advise.
Thanks.
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Hi there.
I would love to create a small tropical themed bed at the front of my house.
I am looking at bananas, palms, grasses and also want a few colorful plants.
Are there any more hearty and more likely to survive in our London U.K. climate?
Thanks
Hi GrowGuru, Well, yes we are hesitating !! I would imagine, like me, most of the growers of 'tropical' plants are at a loss as to what to suggest people like yourselves grow ?? For years, we kept pushing the boundaries and to be honest, we got away with it, we were getting mild winters with sometimes here in Cornwall hardly a frost at all !! How things have changed, given these last three winters !! After the first bad winter, we all said, 'well,its a fluke, a mere blip and next year everything will be back to its mild normal self ' so everyone replanted and then bang ! another, even colder winter, back to square one ! Last year, a few dedicated gardeners replanted but, I fear this winter will have knocked even thier confidence !! Down here, this last winter has killed even things that survived the previous two, Ive lost Agaves, Aloes and Ceanothus that have previously survived !!
Now to your question, All I can do is to tell you what customers of mine (who have for years taken back plants to London) have found do well.
Most grasses are ok but avoid Pennisetum, Yuccas are fine, Chamaerops humilis and Trachycarpus fortunei are the best palms. Cordyline australis should be ok (plain green the hardiest, avoid variegated) Furcraea and Beschorneria might be ok. Most Phormiums are fine, as are Kniphofia, Bamboo,
Fascicularia bicolor, Olives are ok
Now we come to the plants that we used to say were ok but now I feel might have to be pot grown, placed outside for summer and then given protection in winter, if these cold spells are to be the norm !! Agaves, Cordyline Australis (coloured varieties) Bananas (the best in my opinion, is Musa lasiocarpa) Hedychium, Canna, Agapathus, Coprosma, Puya, Sedum, Aeonium, Abutilon, Restio, Acacia, etc etc the list is endless !!
Alot will depend on the nature of your site, its size and what you yourself like ?? I would suggest you visit a few gardens locally and see for yourself what has survived?? Another good contact would be 'The Palm Centre' Ham Nursey, Richmond.
As a general rule, if I was to give you the single most important thing that will help you the most, especially with some of what must now be classed as 'borderline' hardy, it is DRAINAGE !! Dig in lots of grit and if possible mound the soil up, undulate it, use rocks and pebbles to cover it and this will help enormously.
Sorry to be a bit vague, but given these recent winters, im not feeling my normal enthusiastic self about 'exotics', if I'm struggling here right next to the sea in Cornwall, I wish you the best of luck !!
Hope some of this helps, Lannerman
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Hi GrowGuru, Well, yes we are hesitating !! I would imagine, like me, most of the growers of 'tropical' plants are at a loss as to what to suggest people like yourselves grow ?? For years, we kept pushing the boundaries and to be honest, we got away with it, we were getting mild winters with sometimes here in Cornwall hardly a frost at all !! How things have changed, given these last three winters !! After the first bad winter, we all said, 'well,its a fluke, a mere blip and next year everything will be back to its mild normal self ' so everyone replanted and then bang ! another, even colder winter, back to square one ! Last year, a few dedicated gardeners replanted but, I fear this winter will have knocked even thier confidence !! Down here, this last winter has killed even things that survived the previous two, Ive lost Agaves, Aloes and Ceanothus that have previously survived !!
Now to your question, All I can do is to tell you what customers of mine (who have for years taken back plants to London) have found do well.
Most grasses are ok but avoid Pennisetum, Yuccas are fine, Chamaerops humilis and Trachycarpus fortunei are the best palms. Cordyline australis should be ok (plain green the hardiest, avoid variegated) Furcraea and Beschorneria might be ok. Most Phormiums are fine, as are Kniphofia, Bamboo,
Fascicularia bicolor, Olives are ok
Now we come to the plants that we used to say were ok but now I feel might have to be pot grown, placed outside for summer and then given protection in winter, if these cold spells are to be the norm !! Agaves, Cordyline Australis (coloured varieties) Bananas (the best in my opinion, is Musa lasiocarpa) Hedychium, Canna, Agapathus, Coprosma, Puya, Sedum, Aeonium, Abutilon, Restio, Acacia, etc etc the list is endless !!
Alot will depend on the nature of your site, its size and what you yourself like ?? I would suggest you visit a few gardens locally and see for yourself what has survived?? Another good contact would be 'The Palm Centre' Ham Nursey, Richmond.
As a general rule, if I was to give you the single most important thing that will help you the most, especially with some of what must now be classed as 'borderline' hardy, it is DRAINAGE !! Dig in lots of grit and if possible mound the soil up, undulate it, use rocks and pebbles to cover it and this will help enormously.
Sorry to be a bit vague, but given these recent winters, im not feeling my normal enthusiastic self about 'exotics', if I'm struggling here right next to the sea in Cornwall, I wish you the best of luck !!
Hope some of this helps, Lannerman
Thank-you very much.....
This has certainly helped.
I am not far from Richmond so will go down there.....
I think I will also try a few of the more weak varieties you mentioned in pots, so I can bring them in during the colder months.
I know how weather has been the last few winters and believe it may be signs of things to come, rather than a funny five minutes!
Thanks again for your help.
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Hi there.
I would love to create a small tropical themed bed at the front of my house.
I am looking at bananas, palms, grasses and also want a few colorful plants.
Are there any more hearty and more likely to survive in our London U.K. climate?
Thanks
You might want to try forums such as hardytropicals.co.uk and growingontheedge.net which specialise in this kind of thing.

lannerman gave you a good starting point, but you'll get more detail from the above. Another popular hardy exotic group that have been trashed this winter are the Callistemons (bottle brushes) - even my C. subulatus, allegedly the hardiest of the red-flowered type, is not clearly alive. Some survivals for me (in the Chilterns) include Grevillea rosemarinifolia, Fabiana imbricata prostrata, Daphne odora, Tasmannia (Drimys) lanceolata and Pseudopanax crassifolius

Incidentally, you were asking about climbers in the bamboo thread. Very few evergreen climbers are reliably hardly, beyond ivy. But I observe that my neighbour's trachelospermum (I am not sure which) has come through fine - but it needs a sunny position. My Berberidopsis corallina seems to be alive - it needs the opposite, a shady position, and a lot of cover from other plants, mine is protected by bamboo.


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You might want to try forums such as hardytropicals.co.uk and growingontheedge.net which specialise in this kind of thing.

lannerman gave you a good starting point, but you'll get more detail from the above. Another popular hardy exotic group that have been trashed this winter are the Callistemons (bottle brushes) - even my C. subulatus, allegedly the hardiest of the red-flowered type, is not clearly alive. Some survivals for me (in the Chilterns) include Grevillea rosemarinifolia, Fabiana imbricata prostrata, Daphne odora, Tasmannia (Drimys) lanceolata and Pseudopanax crassifolius

Incidentally, you were asking about climbers in the bamboo thread. Very few evergreen climbers are reliably hardly, beyond ivy. But I observe that my neighbour's trachelospermum (I am not sure which) has come through fine - but it needs a sunny position. My Berberidopsis corallina seems to be alive - it needs the opposite, a shady position, and a lot of cover from other plants, mine is protected by bamboo.
Thank-you, I will have a look on the websites...........
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